As has been widely reported, both the Republican and Democratic parties have penalized their respective state parties in Florida for moving their primary date to Jan. 29, in defiance of party rules. While the Republicans only cut the Sunshine State's delegation by half, the Democratic National Party stripped Florida of all of its delegates to the national convention.
More recently, Sen. Hillary Clinton has been lobbying to restore delegates in Florida and in Michigan, where she has already won a primary that was, for all practical purposes, uncontested. The move has led many to cry "Foul!", as none of the candidates, by agreement, has campaigned in Florida.
Now, the St. Petersburg Times is reporting that, in the end, the Florida delegates may count after all. It's enough to make your head spin and your stomach churn. Who is this helping? Who is it hurting? And, at the end of the day, who is this fair to?For the uninitiated, BBC News has a great Q&A on the entire primary calendar flap. Be warned, though, they don't really believe in the letter "Z". At issue in Florida's switch is an attempt to gain relevancy in the nominating process, while the DNC opposed the move in an attempt to prevent all-out chaos on the primary calendar.
Many wonder if stripping Florida of its delegates would hurt the Democrats in November, when they'll be asking Florida's Democratic and independent voters to support their candidate. The news that the DNC may relent doesn't change the fact that the Party has lost a valuable opportunity to expose Florida voters to its candidates, nor does it remove the bad taste of a perceived snub from the voter's mouths. Meanwhile, with half the delegates still at stake, the Republican candidates are the only game in town.
Whether the state party deserved it or not, (and they did), the DNC's decision to basically mute Florida's voters seems like a case of cutting off your ankle to spite both your foot and your shin. Florida is an important swing state, as Democratic voters are well aware. If the DNC relents, they will have alienated Florida for nothing, instead of next-to-nothing.
And what about Hillary Clinton? Let's just say, it takes a huge set of nerves to try and get credit for an election in which no-one opposed you, let alone one where you have a huge lead in the polls and no opponent campaigning against you. That's shooting fish in a barrel after you've emptied all the water out of it. Here's a neat summation of her rationale:
Under the rules for the Democratic convention, the candidate with the most delegates at the convention will control who gets seated - if the delegates follow the candidate's wishes.
"I know not all of my delegates will do so and I fully respect that decision," Clinton said in the statement. "But I hope to be president of all 50 states and U.S. territories, and that we have all 50 states represented and counted at the Democratic convention."
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the time to make that argument before you and your opponents agreed not to campaign in Florida? To many, including this observer, this reeks not just of dirty politics, but that most un-American of qualities, poor sportsmanship. On the heels of a defeat in the South Carolina Primary during which Senator Clinton left the state as the polls were closing and did not deliver a concession speech, this move could leave voters with the impression that Hillary Clinton is as sore a winner as she is a loser.
Seating the delegates will certainly be unfair to Hillary's opponents, since their solidarity with the DNC, versus Hillary's rhetoric about giving Floridians a voice, amounts to de facto campaigning on her part.
Whatever the outcome, this entire episode is least fair to Florida voters, who never asked for this fight, or the bruises that came with it.
ONE BIG PROBLEM: OBAMA HAS BEEN RUNNING ADDS IN FLORIDA FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW; SO YES THEY HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING IN FLORIDA JUST THAT OBAMA DENIES THAT BUT HE IS LYING.
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Alan
7:52PM Jan 29th 2008
Tommy Christopher is talking out his ass
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Alan
7:55PM Jan 29th 2008
Tommy Christopher is not sorting the spin. Does the media think we are stupid? and I guess that many are. Just look at the polls. He and his kind are really the ones doing the spining.
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s gonzales
8:04PM Jan 29th 2008
obama has been running national adds that just happen to include florida- talk about spin. shame on you obama and on your obama spin tommy (little boys ARE often called 'tommy" aren't they?)grow up both of you!!!
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P Moore
9:00AM Feb 13th 2008
Obviously, you are a very nervous Republican or Obama supporter. Why hasn't all of the candidates both Democrat and Republican spoken up for the state of Florida voters right to delegates? Perhaps Mrs. Clinton and other candidates did voice her opinion prior to the media timly response today, since media reporting practices are not a trusted site for correct impartical facts. Why not cut out the DNC & the RNC totally and let voters choose the candidates by total top vote. Of course, a Republican journalist would prefer a weaker candidate for the November election. TWO SHOT'S comment is right on target for Mr. Obama's falsehood about campaigning in the Sunshine State of Florida; would you like a copy? Time to back off the back biting in trying to influence our decisions; we are smart enough to choose without your help!
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Tommy Christopher
8:25PM Jan 29th 2008
Alan and S, Thanks for reading. Talking out my ass, I can take, "little boy" I can take, but accusing me of spinning? That crosses the line. I'm happy to have people disagree with me, it's what makes this country great, but you're questioning my integrity as a writer. Read a few more of my stories before you accuse me of being disingenuous. I assure you, I might be wrong, but I am not full of crap.
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Terri Patanus
8:39PM Jan 29th 2008
Go HILLARY you have shown SC how irrevelent their votes are. I can not wait for SUPER TUESDAY. Hillary will WIN Arkansas, CA and NY.
OBAMA is irrevelent! I would not vote for him if he were the only choice. He is very disrespectful. Hillary did not dish him in SC her husband really did not. OBAMA can not handle the heat in the kitchen and you want to vote for a wuss like that.
I vote for strength not cowardly acts, he took the first stab at her and GOD forbid should one say something back.
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E
8:52PM Jan 29th 2008
I can't wait for super Tuesday either..HIllary is a liar and sneaky just like her bulldog husband..as I always said about her and her husband, all of the underhanded things they are doing in the course for this race for the White House, I can only imagine the underhanded things they will do if they get bsck into the White House
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Tim
9:19PM Jan 29th 2008
There's one way for FL dems to protest the foolish actions of the DNC. Not to vote Dem.
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EZ2B4DJ
8:12PM Jan 30th 2008
Obama was running TV ads all over the state of Florida-- Clinton did not--- now who was "campaigning' and violating the rules?
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renee
9:35PM Jan 29th 2008
HOW DOES THE DEMS LOSE ALL THEIR DELEGATES AND REPS ONLY LOSE HALF??? HOW IS FLORIDA HOLDING THEPRIMARY EARLY,WHEN S,C NEVADA IOWA,OHIO HAVE ALL HELD THEIRS ALREADY?? SMELLS LIKE BULLS--T! TOTALLT UNFAIR IN EVERYWAY!! AGAIN USING FLORIDA TO RIG AN ELECTION!!
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Jerry Castleberry
11:58PM Jan 29th 2008
Abama is a snakein the Grass. Mr.Clinton will run this country causa Hillary knows nothing about Forgein affairfs. She is just a women who has the big\head. Wake up America and Vote for Honorable John McCain. He know was it means to overscome the wrongs other countries. What would you do in his place ( lay down a die), Not John McCain, he is a strong man,and he's knows the ins and outs. What would you do ?John McCain has proven hisselfans, what has obama, and hillary done in their lives (NOTHING)? You democrates are being deceive. Mickey Mouse can do a better then these two put togetter. What amess? Your Vote can do a Better job. (McCain)number one. Others are not qualified. You need to think hard and strong at the Vottings Booth. This is good advise, rather you see it or not. Sincerely, Jerry Castleberry
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VGS
11:17PM Jan 29th 2008
Obama will not win! Reading a great speech does not a president make. If they elect this Muslim I will vote Republican for the rest of my life.
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jbw
12:07AM Jan 30th 2008
Voting not fair, should not matter that one registered as Independent, Democrat, Republican, should be allowed to vote for whomever they choose on this election day 1/29/2008. I think many were unable to vote for whom they wanted. Hillary should not be so quick to think she is the winner. It will be Senator Obama. It is as if your hand were tied. Why is it that in November we can all vote for whomever we which but not in this election. Makes not sence.
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jim
12:14AM Jan 30th 2008
all the dems are immoral cheating lying sobs'
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Smb
12:54AM Jan 30th 2008
The candidates only agreed to not campaign in Florida. I don't remember Hillary, or any other candidate for that matter, agreeing that the votes wouldn't be counted. They were allowed to fund raise. Hillary is being demonized for showing up after the polls closed which isn't campaigning while Obama runs national ads during the campaign, and when he was called on it, just like George Bush, it wasn't his fault. He was surprised that national ads appeared in all states??? He can't remember which button to push in an Illinois state vote, (five times), he says his health care program covers everyone but it doesn't and someone says that outloud, he calls them liars, when asked about issues he uses double-speak or simply parrots developed issues from Clinton and Edwards. We don't need another President like George Bush, big on generalizations to make us feel good, short on substance, and not very trustworthy either if Florida is an example. Do you people really think the candidates agreed to not show up in Florida or Michigan until after the general election. How stupid would that be. Going there tonight after the polls closed is a great way to start mending fences because of the DNC's stupidity.
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ed
2:33PM Jan 30th 2008
COME ON WHO EVER BELIEVED THAT YOU WOULD NOT SEAT THE DELEGATED FROM 2 OF THE MOST NEEDED STATES IN THE MAIN ELECTION AND AFTER ALL THE FUSS IN 2000 ABOUT ALL THE VOTES COUNTING GET REAL NOBODYS THAT GULIABLE
Hillary killed everyone, including McCain. Florida helped decide the last two elections. If the dems want to take it all they better wake-up. No way can Obama or Edwards carry that state.
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Jan
2:10PM Jan 31st 2008
I heard tonight on TV that Clinton supporters were making calls encouraging people to go to the polls to vote on a particular proposition and then adding, "I'm voting for Hillary Clinton". Isn't that considered campaigning?