Bill Kristol, New York Times Hack, UPDATE

Hey David, or should i say Keith, put down the pom poms and report the news. You guys on the far left are always and i mean always reporting the wrong story. I know that it hurts to think that your beloved barack may not be a skeaky clean as you like to report him as. His association to the rev. wright is a real story that needs to be adressed. Do your job and ask the questions.

You Obama fans just can't get enough of jumping on someone who came to his senses, realized the bluff, and changed his opinion from 2 months ago. There are many things that the public, including you Mr. Blogger, do not know about Obama, and frankly, I do not want someone running the Military and the Government while dodging bullets and changing his mind about what he really believes in. I do not believe we should elect someone that appeals to the "young" generation, just because it is the "cool" thing to do. Most of the youngsters don't even know where their polling center is.
Keith Oberman is a hack, not Kristol.

Now we know why Michelle Obama has not been proud of America, it has been pounded in her head for 20 years to hate America, do we want this in the White House?

Sorry, previous commenters, but this one is easy. Obama was in Florida. Proven. Done. Couldn't have been there. Come on, man up, and admit the Kristol and the other idiot were lying or, at best, dissembling.

i feel i have been conned by obama..even if he was not at some of the sermons on the tapes..he has heard 800 of rev wright speeches in last 20 years.and still cheerish him as his mentor..hope i have time to cancel my $100 check i wrote to him last wk

I read that BK op ed this morning

I almost never agree with BK - almost never as he smiles on the TV and twists words oh so smuggly

But he is IMO correct on his major point - that he stresses in the article - be BO in the pew that day or not - be most of the op ed is mud or not

Throwing out much of the article - as being just nonsenese and REP ultra conservative vindictive and politics and slander -- the OP ED writer BK is still right in the theme and point:

BO IS ASKING US TO BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE re when he knew of the ugly things being said by his Rev and friend and Mentor

BO NOW - with non believeable position - is asking us TO CHOSE BETWEEN THE CYNICISM OF THE CLINTONS AND THE CONCEIT OF BO (and I think I quoted the end correctly but will tell BK that I as a DEM liberal of sorts will choose either HRC or BO over any REP - I can choose the dirt I know - the clinton dirt (which I prefer) or I can even choose BO's false premise he is different and his wife's belief we only get one shot to vote for this smart man) - the policy positions of BO and HRC are near identical and correct and much needed for this country - at minimum for 8 years to reverse the pendulum and keep balance - at more for some fundamental change - left/moderate change for the 99% vs the 1%

I feel confident rationaly and in my heart that BO knew for quite a while of the frequent blatantly horribble anti white anti America words his Pastor/Rev/Minister had said in the past - long ago - and in the last 10 years

BO is a 20 year church goer
His wife is an avid attender
He got married by the minister
He had children baptised by the minister
He has called him his spiritual guide (NOT political) and his MENTOR and dedicated his book for him
He was aware his church awarde a major award to LF
etc

BO knew and showed AT MINIMUM poor judgement in not leaving the church - say when he became a US national Senator of all the people of IL - Black and White

I find it sad and funny when BO supporters say BO acted decisively and quickly on separating himself

20 years is quickly? Even if BO knew only for a year or six months - he did not act in one day - he was not decisive - and if this is quick - I hope he is quicker as President then 20 years in getting us out of IRAQ quickly

Background as I know it will follow in a second post so this one does not get too crazy long - and some can read it and take a time out and think

Did BO know earlier?
Was BO truly quick to separate or was he a year or two years or a decade or even 20 years too late?



to be continued

rger

I agree - I loved KO for two years as I felt cheated and lied to by GB and felt KO was early and loud to push the truth about the war and Valerie Plame and spying and Git etc

But now for months KO is a BO groupie - and worse yet you can tell when he is going to attack HRC

he stars with - I love the Clintons - I admire the Clintons - I thank them for standing by me when I started my controversial Statements but now I must attack and kill and attack some more and lose all sense of balance

now three worse people in the world - and he never realises that he is one of them many a day

I stopped watching and wish I was on a Nielsen meter - but I have written to Abarams who I believe is news programmer and editor via the website email that it is getting ridiculous

(CM started biased and may still be but most often now in the last month he seems to reach deep inside his wonderfuly rich knowledge and sense of politics and love for the constitution and sense of fairness and say some very neutral and thought provoking ideas

Obama has been listening to Rev Wright for 20 years, is someone going to tell me that Rev Wright just turned into a racist. Rev Wright has been preaching like this for a long long time. He even goes so far as to tell blacks that white people invented aids to kill blacks, try telling that to families that have lost there loved one. Obama you need to stop all this racist crap you keep accusing Clinton of and get out of this race

Stick a fork in him, "Obama is done". Guilt by association, you betcha!!

march 17-08 obama i believe has to many secrets that are being withheld from everyone,its a shame that his supports eyes are open but they still cant see,if they choose obama as the democratic candidate,im a 46year old mex/amer and im not blind i can see that obama is a muslum "sleaper"who lies to become the first muslum president.barack"hussein"obama this will be embaressing to our troops & allies. mex/amer-JR.

BILLY KRISTOL TO ME HAS NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER. I NEVER READ HIS TRASH AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE THAT DOES..IT'S IDIOTS LIKE HIM THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS COUNTRY TO BE SO DIVIDED.HE'S BUSH'S LAPDOG.

We must take Obama's close relationship with his pastor seriously. He can't pander to one side and then the other. What happened to that great judgment Obama had? We must support "experience" with Hillary. That's the only chance we have of winning this election.

We must take Obama's close relationship with his pastor seriously. He can't pander to one side and then the other. What happened to that great judgment Obama had? We must support "experience" with Hillary. That's the only chance we have of winning this election.

WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL ABOUT WHAT SOME MINISTER SAID SEVERAL YEARS AGO. I AM MORE CONCERNED WITH WHAT JOHN HAGEE A MC.CAIN SUPPORTER AND A SO CALLED SELF PROCLAIMED MINISTER SAID ABOUT CATHOLICS "THAT THEY WERE WHORES". AND THAT WAS SAID 2 WEEKS AGO.WHERE'S THE PUBLIC OUTCRY FROM THE NESPAPAERS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Rev J Wright continued - re BO and his politics of conceit

Context - if it got posted as Ted in Chicago and I fear it did not as my password was wrong I agreed and so blogged - with the author above (Knowles) on his post last week

However - to Knowles and the poster who feels BO was out of state - that BK is here and most of the time an ass and easy with the truth - using dubious sources etc - that badness of BK does NOT make BO honest or sincere in his ""openess with us re JW"

I ask BO followers to think about some of the below - much simply fact - much my thoughts as a Chicagoan for 35 years and age 56

To me most damning re BO and when he knew is that BO -see AOL or NYT archives - disinvited JW from the day he - BO - announced on the steps in Springfield that he was running for PRES

He did this with 12 hours notice - he invited J Wright - then at the advice of his advisors -disinvited J Wright with just 12 hours notice -

That is fact - check it out - the only mistake is I might be off by an hour - and I recall it cause the Rev called it the eve of Shabbos (the Jewish Sabbath word in Hebrew) when he learned oh so late he was not welcome and felt hurt

Either BOrealised it was a mistake to have thim there or he was told it was a bad mistake and listened to David Axelrod or whomever was advising him at that time

I am sure some one told him (if he did not know already on his own ) AT THAT TIME -- that there were half a dozen to a dozen or more of the USKKKKA and God DAmn America etc fiery sermons on CD. I will say it again - come on down to Chicago and buy one your self at the Church. The sermons are on CD being sold today.

I fault BO for lack of trusting us with the truth then or now - and being a politician. Yes HRC is a politician and cynical mean tough one. But BO told us he was different and we know now

-- as he slings mud at the clintons on a personal level
-- decides to have a come clean re REZKO Friday as he seems to preferr that scandal and coverup to the J Wright scandal and cover up. That truth (250 vs 250) much closer home sale relationship - etc - can cost him 1-2% of his support --- the J Wright truth might just cost hime about half his white and Hispanic support (or say 20 or so percentage points overall)

I can EVEN buy he was in a horrible bind - when he felt he wanted to run for PRES and knew there was Biden and Richardson and yes Hillary with gads of $$$ and a pocket of political IOUs she could cash in

As a Chicago politician in the Southside with one white parent - and indeed a moderate++ on civil rights etc - BO had already lost a major local election to the famed Bobby Rush (US congress seat in HR as I recall for hyde park or a neighboring area)

BO fixed that deficit - got Black enough if I can be crass but honest - by close association with this church - this left of left Black Pride church - that yes did and does a lot of good things for Black people and Chicago

Joining and being visible at this Church helped him with city and state politics and fund raising.

And I will stick out my ex hippie white neck and note that IMO when all is said and done -- there was a reasonable Black oriented logic to Black Centric (White down grading) sermons in the 70s and 80s. This was a time that Blacks needed a sense of pride - and if it took some ugly exaggerated in tone talk of the evil white man - so be it - it at LEAST THEN had a rationale and many many many moderate followers.

But the logic and need for attacking whitey to unify and strengthen black pride unity and action ended in the late 80s -- its time had passed (AND BO says all of this in less direct less honest less complete words - read his entire statement and what he told our local papers on Friday - there was a time it was needed at least in the opinion of many many Chicago Good Honest Black Politicians)

HOWEVER
HOWEVER
To continue to attend for ten more years was a deliberate decision BY BO to overlook the bad ugly hateful sermons after their purpose was gone and only their ugliness and hatered was left.

IMO BO made that decision knowing of the ugly words of his minister before he became a US Senator.

BO chose to focus on the spiritual side of the Rev and the charitable and civic leader side of the Rev - and to rationalise in his mind the anti white and anti America rhetoric still being used by the REV on many many occassions.

BO also chose to stay because of the good his memebership did for him in local politics and local fund raising - sorry but I suggest with some confidence neutral Chicago political professors at the U of C and Northwestern would agree.

And it gets worse for Obama - here comes IOWA - and BO has no chance to win if the sermons shown on ABC etc come out - so he does the correct political thing - he hides the man - and I imagine figures he will deal with it later. Correct political thing - but wrong MORAL thing and an act of political shrewdness - and an act of moral cowardice -- or lack of faith that white liberals will excuse him if tells the ENTIRE truth -

And he never deals with it - he needs to win Iowa and then NH - he needs to win Super Tuesday - he gets Black votes by playing the reverse race card on the LBM MLK words of the Clintons (IMO turning them from logic to hate) and now can not afford to lose the 70-80-90 percent of the Black vote he is getting .... Now he loses Ohio and TX etc - how can he come clean -the lie

He never was far enough ahead in momentum - or was struggling from a Clinton comeback to come out with the truth - A TRUTH I BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED BEING ABLE TO ADMIT AND SAY EARLIER AND MORE COMPLETELY - and yes I am putting myself inside his head and that is probably very very wrong - but its my thoughts)

20 years of Sundays and all of the reasons I noted in post one and IMO there is no way --0% proability that BO did not know earlier then he says he learned of the hate filled speeches of a great man whose time has gone by - whose style is ugly in the changed world of race relations.

BO has no right to ask us now to believe he just learned now or 3 weeks ago - or as the Rev was about to retire - or 3 months ago - He disinvited the REV from his inaugaration of his campaign cause he knew there would be no campaign if this all came out before he could get some steam behind his push

Bo has no right to so fool our college idealistic kids

Bo has no right to use a broom to sweep out the old politics and use dirty good old fashioned Chicago politics as he runs for President

I belive BK is correct - BK implies BO feels we should trust his innerself and maybe not his words - that BO believes he is a good man and we should trust hime - despite his false witness - to be good

And I think he will be good - but I think - no I KNOW he has been very very disingenous - cowardly - secretive and dishonest - and for that I can not forgive him ---------- other then when he opposes a JM that sold out his soul to get the REP nod (8 years ago he condemned the ugly white pastors of social moral right wing nonsense - this time he endorsed it embraced it and went on CBR to say this is a Christian nation and a Muslim (NOT BO) could not make a good president) (6 years ago he said the Bush Tax cuts were a fiscal nightmare - and now he embraces them) (one year ago he understands we need correct comprehensive solutions to immigration - now he is a true red neck on the issue)

So Cynicism of Clinton
So Conceit and now dishonest claims to be different by BO
So a sell out shell of a man called JM - once a maverick but always a conservativ - now just a politicain trying to win at ALL COSTS TO INTEGRITY)

HRC first
BO a close close second - but I will blog and post my concerns to ask the Obama followers to consider the ugliness of HRC over the now apparent ugliness of BO

and JMcCain - nope - can not vote for him ever - could have held my nose and voted the maverick over the ultra conservative but not now after he sold his soul

Oh - and if you live in Chicago you know that BO came to the Trib and Suntimes on Friday -- not sure how much lead time there was on that

I am cynical enough to belive that BO chose to come clean on so much EXTRA not before revealed dirt re he and REZKO cause that stench was a way to cover up the rot of his lack of courage conviction and good judgement re staying with J Wright despite the clearly anti white and anti America past its time hate filled frequent sermons - in a Church

Wow, Since the beginning of the US Elections, there has been a grass roots effort, rooted in blind faith and racism that has attempted to spread the evils of a truly visionary candidate for US president. The email I am referring to have been virally forwarded to hundreds of thousands of people.

Worse yet, the email has chipped away at the scant grey matter of the readers, resulting in many of them believing the filth spewed by fear mongers - who thump the bible while "Bearing false witness" to Barak. The Email focuses on allegations, (Proven False), that he is a Muslim, that he does not pray in church, that he does not wear a lapel pin with the flag on his coat, that he studied at a Muslim religious school.

Not ignoring that this is completely offensive to Muslim citizens of the US... It is almost as if Karl Rove got together with propagandist of the third Reich to spew such filth. It's surprising for those presenting themselves as vanguards of the church have not insisted that the regular bible thumping candidates, not ask for greater separation of church and state or greater protection of altar boys from predatory priests. I presume that lies in the domain of "This is part of God's divine plan".

I have provided links at the bottom of my response to this email that shows how pervasive this myth has become about Obama and how hollow the claims are, more importantly it shows how easily SOME Sheep-ple (Sheep + People = Sheeple) are led to believe anything! As for the Clinton campaign, it seems obvious that they have done nothing to differentiate themselves from such fear mongers --- I can expect no different, especially in the way they have chosen to run their campaign more recently.

Speaking of more recently, You all heard of the racist tirade from a once progressive visionary, Ms. Geraldine Ferraro. She claimed that if it weren't for Obama's race he wouldn't be where he was. So now that the religion smear is finished, the campaign has started a race smear campaign! How refreshing! Well, this isn't the first time Geraldine has been associated with comments that are not characteristic of her stellar intellect! She's previously shaded Jesse Jackson with the same line, it's funny, I guess many weren't clued in then, just as they aren't clued in now - Clinton's hoping that fear will trump. Obama's banking that Hope will lift the country.

It's interesting, we're in a very crucial election, one that will determine the future for us, our children and generations to come. Although, every election in the US touts to be as pivotal, this election is even more linked to the fate of the world - - As they say when the US sneezes, the world catches the flu! We have the first viable woman and first viable black candidate running for the highest post in the civilized world. By most accounts we have a woman that will presumably resort to almost anything to claw her way to the white house, and we have an inspirational Kennedy-esque black candidate who pledges to reach across the globe and rebuild America as the beacon for free thinking and progressiveness.

We have one candidate who's capitalizing on the saboteur maneuverings of conservatism's greatest demagogue - Rush Limbaugh, who is campaigning Republicans to vote for Clinton, since she will be so much easier to defeat int he Generals. Bill Clinton even went on the Limbaugh show on the day of the Texas primaries to encourage republicans to vote for Hillary -- that's the extent of their determination to get back into the white house, even at the cost of constituents, party and country.

Yes, Obama has flaws, but closely watch the manner in which he has conducted himself and you will see a true statesman.

HERE'S AN IDEA! Let's just have McCain win. I don't think such a visionary like Obama should be left to clean up the mess that Republicans made of the states, the economy, the country, the middle east and the world. Since it's fast becoming obvious that a large portion of the country think the republicans are doing a truly bang up job for everyone! The republicans have done wonders with everyone's sense of proportion and common sense; why not let them complete what they started! Yes, lets have 8 more Republican blissful years. Civil liberties have always been over rated!

Cheers!

Debunking the Myth on 60 Minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYspjJCjgX8&feature=related

Keith Olbermann on Clinton and her tactics
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/23601329#23601329

Snopes thoroughly debunking this email smear campaign
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

JAY M

So do not vote for McCain - I agree

That does not excuse BO for his lack of judgement and his lack of courage and running a hypocritical campaign

NO guilt by association = that would be unfair

But you are correct - even if the McCain case it is not his minister or mentor but a supporter

No guilt by association

But my momma taught me - You can tell a lot about a man from the company he keeps (and I now add for JM and BO the company they do not move away from)

JM

I agree BK is ugly and wrong and worse

But read the editorial or op ed and put aside your dislike for BK and you will see some non kool aid drinker truths -- yes among nonsense vindictive and crap -- but the essence of the ending is correct IMO and I too have little use for BK

Read the entire Op Ed - toss out 65% -- the remaining 35% is still there and BO does not come off smelling good

NEIL

20 or 10 or 5 years too late is not a statesman

And McCain is a 2008 shell of himself - a neo con and fiscal conservative that will kill social programs of all sorts if he keeps his promise to not kill most of the bad parts of the Bush cuts) - and worst he is a sellout re the SC on who he would put there to allow the state to refuse a woman's right to control her own body

But I think he was one of the four who said he believed in evolution when others like Huckee said they did NOT believe in evolution

Arab-American concentration camps

Joseph Farah
Between the Lines




Posted: March 05, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008
If you listen to Barack H. Obama, you might get the impression Arab-American families are getting knocks on door in the middle of the night after which they are spirited away to concentration camps never to be seen again.

As the head of an Arab-American family, this was news to me.

But that's what he told the people of Texas in a commercial message just before the primary vote.
"If there is an Arab-American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney, it threatens my civil liberties," he said. "It is that fundamental belief, I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper, it is that fundamental belief that makes this country work."

Granted he said "if." But that is an awfully big "if." I don't think there will be much emphasis on the word "if" when that message is played on Al-Jazeera and around the Muslim world where it is assumed America routinely rounds up innocent Arab-Americans without trial, without attorneys, without reason.

Does Barack H. Obama believe Arab-American families are being rounded up? Does he believe any have been rounded up? Does he believe it will happen?
Does his contempt for American institutions know no depths?

Is this one of the reasons he and his wife have had no pride in their country until he became a front-running presidential candidate?

Can he name one Arab-American family that has ever been mistreated by the U.S. government?
Why is he singling out Arab-American families? Does he think they deserve special consideration?
Is he afraid his family might be rounded up because of his own Arab-African name?
Is this one of the reasons he insists it's bad form for anyone to make reference to his middle name – which is clearly Arab in origin?

Let me tell you, as an Arab-American, I believe my chances for being part of any mass roundup will be greatly increased through a Barack H. Obama presidency. It won't come because of my ethnic background. But, if it does come, it will likely be because of my open allegiance to constitutional government – something this self-proclaimed "constitutional scholar" wouldn't understand if the document read itself to him.

Think of the damage this man does to his nation's image around the world every time he opens his mouth. It's disgraceful. It's treacherous. It's pathological.
But there's more to the quote, if you remember. Barack H. Obama is noted for speaking in platitudes and non sequiturs – and this is no exception.

He jumps from portraying America as a police state to explaining that it is America's charitable instincts and its commitment to compassion for others that makes it work.

Which is it? Or is it really both?

Is he concerned about the oppressive power of the state? Or does he actually plan to make the oppressive state more powerful – to grow it at the expense of individual compassion, which he finds lacking in its inability to solve any real problems?

Think about these questions and this quote, because they say a lot about the man most likely to be the next president of the United States.

As an Arab-American, I am deeply offended that this man claims to be protecting my rights, watching out for my family's welfare, serving as my loving brother.
He's not. My Arab-American family has been in this country for three generations, having fled the persecution of the Muslim world in search of a better life. Never once has any member of my extended family, going back three generations, experienced even the slightest discrimination or bigotry in this wonderful land of opportunity and promise. Certainly we have never quaked in our beds fearing a knock on the door and the extra-judicial roundup.
It is so preposterous. It is so demeaning. It is so insulting to America.

I'm sure America's enemies are putting Barack H. Obama's campaign rhetoric to use in their propaganda at this very moment.