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Florida Mail-in Vote: Scratch That Idea
There will be no Florida primary do-over via mail. That's the decision of the state's Democratic party, after some expressed concern about the mostly mail-in redo. The plan was to hold a second primary to seat the state's delegation at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August. The Democratic National Party won't award delegates to Florida after the Sunshine State moved up its presidential primary date to Jan. 29 - it wasn't supposed to vote until after Feb. 5. Hillary Clinton won that race.
"A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the party were to pay for it," state Democratic Party leader Rep. Karen Thurman said in a letter announcing the decision. She also railed against Republicans and took the chance to bring up the 2000 Florida recount all of us remember so well. Her party apparently received input from voters over the weekend on what course of action to take, and the resounding answer was: "Florida doesn't want to vote again."
"That doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters," Thurman said. But what it means is that the ball is now in the court of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, scheduled to meet in April.
Meanwhile, Politico has gotten hold of the draft legislation floating around in Michigan that state Democratic leaders are supposedly set to back that would designate June 3 as the date of the presidential primary election there. One Democrat told the AP that Michigan that the bill included language that would approve spending privately raised funds for the election. That state was also stripped of its delegates by the national party after holding its primary early.
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Liza Porteus Viana
Liza Porteus Viana has been a political journalist for almost 10 years, both in Washington and New York. She loves politics - the smell of it, the sport of it...more
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Splash
6:45PM Mar 17th 2008
I can't believe that the DNC can't live with the punishment they meted out. They are like a soft heated mama hurt more by the twitch than her little one who needed the twitch soooo badly.
Big Note: Florida doesn't care about the DNC an the only Floridian's that wanted to move the primaries so that the big FL would have more influence in picking the nominee were the fat dumb and happy ducks in our congress.
Hillary cares only because she needs the delegates. Obama cares not only because he won't gain anything from it. They are just a bunch of self serving power hungry libs.
Their dumb party rules have created quite the quandary. Will they overturn the popular vote - the delegate count - at their convention or not?
Speaking of rules, if they are the party of fairness and equality for the middle class, why do they seat "superdelegates" - elite democrats due to party STATUS - that get double the vote and are not required to follow the rules.
And they call republicans hypocrites.
Big Note: Florida doesn't care about the DNC an the only Floridian's that wanted to move the primaries so that the big FL would have more influence in picking the nominee were the fat dumb and happy ducks in our congress.
Hillary cares only because she needs the delegates. Obama cares not only because he won't gain anything from it. They are just a bunch of self serving power hungry libs.
Their dumb party rules have created quite the quandary. Will they overturn the popular vote - the delegate count - at their convention or not?
Speaking of rules, if they are the party of fairness and equality for the middle class, why do they seat "superdelegates" - elite democrats due to party STATUS - that get double the vote and are not required to follow the rules.
And they call republicans hypocrites.
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Kenneth Adderley
2:12PM Mar 18th 2008
Report: NAFTA-Gate Leaker Said Hillary's People Were Reassuring Canada, Too
By Eric Kleefeld - March 5, 2008, 11:33PM
The NAFTA-Gate controversy has taken another turn, one that could potentially boomerang back on Hillary Clinton after initially damaging Barack Obama.
The Canadian Press — Canada's domestic equivalent of the AP — is reporting that the original source of the leak was Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. And as it turns out, Brodie's original conversation with reporters focused much more on Hillary as the candidate whose people were reassuring Canada that the anti-trade rhetoric was all just campaign talk.
"He said someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the Embassy to take it with a grain of salt," said one participant in the conversation. The source added, "Someone called us and told us not to worry."
Hillary's people were able to use NAFTA-Gate very effectively in questioning Obama's honesty in the Ohio and Texas campaigns, ultimately pulling off some decent wins. But if this thing doesn't die down, and the focus turns from Obama over to Hillary, they could very well see the story come back to bite them.
Late Update: It should be pointed out that the Hillary people adamantly denied this from the start. In contrast, the Obama campaign was much slower to respond — possibly explaining why he got the worst of it in terms of publicity.
By Eric Kleefeld - March 5, 2008, 11:33PM
The NAFTA-Gate controversy has taken another turn, one that could potentially boomerang back on Hillary Clinton after initially damaging Barack Obama.
The Canadian Press — Canada's domestic equivalent of the AP — is reporting that the original source of the leak was Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. And as it turns out, Brodie's original conversation with reporters focused much more on Hillary as the candidate whose people were reassuring Canada that the anti-trade rhetoric was all just campaign talk.
"He said someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the Embassy to take it with a grain of salt," said one participant in the conversation. The source added, "Someone called us and told us not to worry."
Hillary's people were able to use NAFTA-Gate very effectively in questioning Obama's honesty in the Ohio and Texas campaigns, ultimately pulling off some decent wins. But if this thing doesn't die down, and the focus turns from Obama over to Hillary, they could very well see the story come back to bite them.
Late Update: It should be pointed out that the Hillary people adamantly denied this from the start. In contrast, the Obama campaign was much slower to respond — possibly explaining why he got the worst of it in terms of publicity.
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(0) Linda Smith
7:35PM Mar 17th 2008
Howard Dean is an idiot. He showed total insensitivity to the voters of Florida, who BTW came out in record numbers to vote. He does not understand what it is to be an American and have the privilege of voting taken away. Because of His pride and ego, he wants to disenfranchise a whole state for defying him ,while actually the citizens did not have anything to do with this decision for an early primary. We only know we wanted to vote for our presidential candidate and have that right .Howard Dean should resign. We need an adult deciding what to do about this election. I say fine the people responsible for this mess and move on. Allow our Primary to count !
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(0) sandiepff
9:16PM Mar 17th 2008
Of course they aren't going to re-do the primaries in these states because Hillary would win and O,Bama would lose. What a cry baby he is....and do you think if he got into a heated discussion with a foriegn rival, "if" and thats a big "if" he would ever got elected as the highest official of this land....do you think he would use the race card..."they looked at me like I was black"...and whats all of a sudden wrong with being black anyway O'Bama, and guess what Mrs. O'Bama...they may have said "his name" but guess what it is his name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh Yeah...Democrats...let's get a cry baby elected as our president....I'm turning Republican as I sit here and think about it all.......Personally, I'm not going to vote for someone based totally on thier race either....so there I've said it.......cry, O'Bama....cry!!!!!! Go McLain........
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(0) Howard
8:30PM Mar 17th 2008
listen to all the bs being sent out over the tv. the dumb ass media are campaining for oboma
tell the dumb howard dean that us democrats want a say in who is nominated . you stopped al gore from being president . now your trying to stop hillary
do the right thing . do you want a G...d America for president???
tell the dumb howard dean that us democrats want a say in who is nominated . you stopped al gore from being president . now your trying to stop hillary
do the right thing . do you want a G...d America for president???
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(0) Howard
8:37PM Mar 17th 2008
Listen to all the crap about just ignoreing the florida voters . is that a democratic system hell no
but they can let the purterico who does not even pay taxes cast and there votes ????? howard dean should be removed from the dnc
but they can let the purterico who does not even pay taxes cast and there votes ????? howard dean should be removed from the dnc
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(0) Dave
9:00PM Mar 17th 2008
Dean is an idiot! we chose who we wanted to run and to be told that it is null and void is a slap in the face.I feel as do a lot of my friends that if our votes are not counted than they can stuff this Nov. election!
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(0) Acerjac
10:56PM Mar 17th 2008
COUNT THE DAMN VOTES!!
This is the UNITED States of America of 50 states and not 48 states, no matter how you spin it. The people have voted, so count the damn votes.
The super-bowl game is not played over just because some spectators failed to show up !! it is what it is. count the votes. and seat the delegates.
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT.
THE ONLY SANE CHOICE FOR AMERICA
This is the UNITED States of America of 50 states and not 48 states, no matter how you spin it. The people have voted, so count the damn votes.
The super-bowl game is not played over just because some spectators failed to show up !! it is what it is. count the votes. and seat the delegates.
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT.
THE ONLY SANE CHOICE FOR AMERICA
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(0) Sally
11:24PM Mar 17th 2008
I AM SURE THAT THE DNC AND HOWARD DEAN KNOW THEY HAD BETTER WORK A PLAN OUT FOR FLORIDA OR THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE A LOT OF TROUBLE IN THIS COUNTRY. THROUGH NO FAULT OF THE VOTERS OF FLORIDA IF THEY DON'T GET A CHANCE TO VOTE THIS YEAR AFTER HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE IN 2000, THEY MAY FOOL THE DNC AND SWITCH PARTIES WHICH RIGHTLY THE DNC WILL DESERVE. THIS WILL BREAK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY UP AS WELL OVER 1 MILLION PEOPLE HAD ALREADY VOTED, WITH EVERYONES NAME ON THE BALLOT AND OBAMA HAD POLITICAL COMMERCIALS GOING AROUND ON THE TV IN FLORIDA, ALTHOUGH HE AND HILLARY NEVER CAMPAIGNED THERE, IT WAS STILL A LEGITIMATE ELECTION.
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(0) chopper
12:16AM Mar 18th 2008
Howard Dean didn't take the vote away from Florida and Michigan, their Democratic Parties did. Why didn't they just vote on their designated dates like the rest of us did. Are they better than the other 48 States. Now they want to do the right thing. Split your delegates and meet us at The Convention.
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(0) J.A.
2:41AM Mar 18th 2008
Obama was on the Florida ballot. Obama did campaign in Florida. The Only reason Obama is not screaming for those votes to count is because he did not win in Florida. It sucks that he would support stripping voters in an entire state of their votes because he is a sore looser. Obama would be all about Florida’s votes being counted, had he won. The people paid their taxes. THE POLLS WERE OPEN! THE PEOPLE VOTED! IF THEY DID NOT VOTE, IT’S THEIR FAULT! COUNT FLORIDA’S VOTES!
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(0) tzada
2:52AM Mar 18th 2008
All Candidates were on the Florida ballot. As a Florida voter I say let the vote stand. Al Sharpton doesn't run the election, him and his disenfranchised crap. Sue is he? For what? Blacks should have gone out and voted, whites did. There was an important tax change on the ballot. Black voters should have at least gone and voted for it. It was on the same card as the candidates, duh.
Disenfranchised, what a crock, any more ways to game the election?
Disenfranchised, what a crock, any more ways to game the election?
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(0) Clay
7:54AM Mar 18th 2008
I think Florida is playing the Rush game which is to do whatever you can to extend the Democrats nomination to the DNC convention. Charlie Crist, Florida's Governor is a Republican, John McCain's friend and is on the short list of VP candidates for McCain. Is he helping out his buddy by giving Florida's Democratic delegates to Hillary?
Florida's delegates won't be enough to swing the nomination to Hillary but they will ensure that the DNC has a contested convention with party insider super delegates making the final decision. This is exactly what the Right wants. Whoever loses based on a super delegate nomination is going to be pissed. Pissed enough to not show up to vote or support the moderate JOhn McCain.
Both of the left's candidates have strong arguments as to they should receive the super delegates support. In the end they will select Obama, because there is no way the Democrats will disinfranchise millions of votes from African Americans. Their support is more important than winning or likely losing the White House this year.
The Democrats frankly could not have done a better job of handing the election to John McCain.
Florida's delegates won't be enough to swing the nomination to Hillary but they will ensure that the DNC has a contested convention with party insider super delegates making the final decision. This is exactly what the Right wants. Whoever loses based on a super delegate nomination is going to be pissed. Pissed enough to not show up to vote or support the moderate JOhn McCain.
Both of the left's candidates have strong arguments as to they should receive the super delegates support. In the end they will select Obama, because there is no way the Democrats will disinfranchise millions of votes from African Americans. Their support is more important than winning or likely losing the White House this year.
The Democrats frankly could not have done a better job of handing the election to John McCain.
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(0) Sasha
11:26AM Mar 24th 2008
Open Letter to DNC:
My husband and I will not vote a Democratic Ticket nor support you financially unless Florida delegates are seated as is and Michigan is allowed a “do-over” primary. Our votes should count; we have a right as American citizens. Our delegates should be seated at the National Convention. Both states had very good reasons for moving their primary dates as you very well know. The DNC has taken a very stubborn attitude on this matter. Believe me we will take a very stubborn attitude in November.
We do not feel Barack Hussein Obama is a viable candidate. Obama has a
questionable background. We find his ties to Reverend J. Wright and his “Black Supremacy” views very troubling. He has ties to “radical” Muslim. What is this rumor about a Larry Sinclair, a homosexual that said he performed oral sex on then Congressman Obama while they were “doing” cocaine? This is a serious allegation. Why was he endorsed by so many top Democratic leaders? We feel that there might have been COLLUSION by Democratic leaders to get him nominated and they needed the Iowa Caucus to give him momentum that is why the DNC would not let Michigan and Florida have the earlier primaries. This is unconscionable.
We have been loyal members of the Democratic Party for years but we can NOT condone this behavior. We will NOT vote for Barack Hussein Obama to be President.
My husband and I will not vote a Democratic Ticket nor support you financially unless Florida delegates are seated as is and Michigan is allowed a “do-over” primary. Our votes should count; we have a right as American citizens. Our delegates should be seated at the National Convention. Both states had very good reasons for moving their primary dates as you very well know. The DNC has taken a very stubborn attitude on this matter. Believe me we will take a very stubborn attitude in November.
We do not feel Barack Hussein Obama is a viable candidate. Obama has a
questionable background. We find his ties to Reverend J. Wright and his “Black Supremacy” views very troubling. He has ties to “radical” Muslim. What is this rumor about a Larry Sinclair, a homosexual that said he performed oral sex on then Congressman Obama while they were “doing” cocaine? This is a serious allegation. Why was he endorsed by so many top Democratic leaders? We feel that there might have been COLLUSION by Democratic leaders to get him nominated and they needed the Iowa Caucus to give him momentum that is why the DNC would not let Michigan and Florida have the earlier primaries. This is unconscionable.
We have been loyal members of the Democratic Party for years but we can NOT condone this behavior. We will NOT vote for Barack Hussein Obama to be President.
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(0) lois
9:24AM Mar 18th 2008
The Fla and Mich fiasco was well planned by Howard Dean in conjunction with Obama supporters. Why else did Obama remove his name from the Mich ballot of his own free will? He knew he would lose. He knows well that Hillary won 55-45 in spite of his workers campaigning for voters to vote uncommitted. Shame on you Obama!
On Florida-- Hillary 2on by a vote of 50-33. You did not hear too much about this did you? Both candidates were on the ballot. Neither campaigned but had been campaigning for 10 months prior to the Fla vote. This vote should count as voted on that day.
The goal of the Republican/Obama machine was to defeat Hillary first. (They failed to let Obama know that then they were planning to destroy him) Was he naive!~!!!!!You have only seen the beginning. They waited until they felt Hillary was damaged goods and then went after Obama and will continue for the general election. This seemed to be the only way they could get a Repub elected. Please review thecityeditiion.com and pan down on the left side and read the Karl Rove article re: Rove bamboozling the electorate once again. The other 2 times were in 2000 and 2004. Wake up Democrats before the Karl Rove machine destroys us all.
On Florida-- Hillary 2on by a vote of 50-33. You did not hear too much about this did you? Both candidates were on the ballot. Neither campaigned but had been campaigning for 10 months prior to the Fla vote. This vote should count as voted on that day.
The goal of the Republican/Obama machine was to defeat Hillary first. (They failed to let Obama know that then they were planning to destroy him) Was he naive!~!!!!!You have only seen the beginning. They waited until they felt Hillary was damaged goods and then went after Obama and will continue for the general election. This seemed to be the only way they could get a Repub elected. Please review thecityeditiion.com and pan down on the left side and read the Karl Rove article re: Rove bamboozling the electorate once again. The other 2 times were in 2000 and 2004. Wake up Democrats before the Karl Rove machine destroys us all.
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(0) lois
9:26AM Mar 18th 2008
Glad to see that Florida voters will not vote in the General Election in Nov.if their votes don't count. Hillary won it by a vote of 50-33%. If that were reversed in Obama's favor, the votes would stand as is. Tell Howard Dean about it. Moreover, let's get HILLARY CLINTON elected PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON
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(0) lois
9:26AM Mar 18th 2008
PRESIDENT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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(0) IN GOD WE TRUST
11:21AM Mar 24th 2008
Are you a well-meaning white voting
for Barack Hussein Obama? WHY?
OBAMA IS THE RACIST. OBAMA IS THE
BIGOT. What is Barack Hussein Obamas AGENDA? DREAMS FROM MY FATHER,
pg 200,
If (black) nationalism could create a strong and effective
insularity,
deliver on its promise of self-respect, then the HURT it might cause
well-meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me,
would be of little consequence. He does not want to unite whites
and blacks he wants to
divide and conquer. He is in personal conflict himself because he is
half-white and he considers his white side WEAK.
No Barack Hussein Obama. Your freedoms are at stake. IN GOD WE
TRUST!
for Barack Hussein Obama? WHY?
OBAMA IS THE RACIST. OBAMA IS THE
BIGOT. What is Barack Hussein Obamas AGENDA? DREAMS FROM MY FATHER,
pg 200,
If (black) nationalism could create a strong and effective
insularity,
deliver on its promise of self-respect, then the HURT it might cause
well-meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me,
would be of little consequence. He does not want to unite whites
and blacks he wants to
divide and conquer. He is in personal conflict himself because he is
half-white and he considers his white side WEAK.
No Barack Hussein Obama. Your freedoms are at stake. IN GOD WE
TRUST!
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(0) beingabundant
12:32PM Mar 18th 2008
beingabundant12:25PMMar 18th 2008
SEE WHAT OUR GOVERMENT HAS PLANNED FOR US!!!
http://www.theamericannightmare.org/11-A_how_A-D.html This one will freak you out!
http://blindnation.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/bush-buys-land-in-northern-paraguay/ Bush bought land here to run away from the collapse.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ This guy has a lot of dirt on our Government!
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/end_game.htm Watch ENDGAME!!! Totally messed up!
Look at the US CoNCENTRATION CAMPS MADE FOR US CITIZENS!!! YES US CITIZENS!!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROL20060820&articleId=3010
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x727446 In this forum this guy helped build it.
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm This is shocking!!!
SEE WHAT OUR GOVERMENT HAS PLANNED FOR US!!!
http://www.theamericannightmare.org/11-A_how_A-D.html This one will freak you out!
http://blindnation.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/bush-buys-land-in-northern-paraguay/ Bush bought land here to run away from the collapse.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ This guy has a lot of dirt on our Government!
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/end_game.htm Watch ENDGAME!!! Totally messed up!
Look at the US CoNCENTRATION CAMPS MADE FOR US CITIZENS!!! YES US CITIZENS!!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROL20060820&articleId=3010
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x727446 In this forum this guy helped build it.
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm This is shocking!!!
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(0) rtobbyp
4:01PM Mar 18th 2008
If the DNC will not count our votes now them maybe we should not show up at the polls in Nov and just give Fl to McCain
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