Update: Clinton 'Possibly Misspoke' on Bosnia

I think it's the in the best interest of all parties involved that you post things that are news worthy as opposed to this bs.

Who Cares....

Okay - there is no resolution between Democrats. Obama supporters won't vote Clinton, Clinton supporters won't vote Obama.


At the Democratic National Convention, declare neither as a candidate and call for a vote for Al Gore.

This Democratic nomination is all screwed up - with politicians trying to create history, not learn from it.

Sen Obama speech had embedded in it a political tweak and well designed manipulation of why women do not vote for him, and referred to his grandmother and Geraldine Ferraro as such examples, and by oblique reference, Hillary Clinton. There is anger and perhaps a latent disregard of the feminine grace. Thus Sen. Obama’s infers that women are scared of African American men.

What a crock of horse hockey. During the debatable Faulkner inferred south of pre civil war it was primarily women who taught black men and women to read and do math. It was beneficial to their society to do so. Abolitionists would not be abolitionists if those stern feminine advocates for civil government and social contract did not push their society forward to accept the African American individual as an equal. Those Abolitionist teas and coffees weren’t for the discussion of petticoats, trust me. And in the 1960s, I participated in the teas and coffees of decent women who hoped and walked for a decent society. During the sixties there were more white women walking and in the audience with Martin Luther King Jr than other cultures, and that’s a fact, I was there. Women in general do not fear African American males and inferring such is insulting to women anywhere upon this globe.

Women in American know the following and the results are frustrating. Since the passing of legislation in 1964 of the Civil Rights Act, trillions of dollars have gone into the fund of creating equity for all races, genders, creeds, seniors, etc. Those funds have helped many, the African American College Funds, the American Indian College fund, and the many other assistance programs to minorities. The programs work, and their continuance not only provides money, but moral support of society.

What is disturbing and disappointing to women is the condition of the inner cities, which are plagued with crime, drugs, teen pregnancies, the highest educational drop out rates in the nation, drive by shooting, gang bangers, black rappers who defy civilized society and advocate bloodshed, black militants and the few Black Panther generated churches that employ such language and demonstration as the Rev Wright’s “God Damn America”. And, in fact, most women in America despise any person or group who espouse and promotes hate as they recognize hate is not exclusive to one culture or race.

What disturbs women is an inner city attitude that whispers in an enjoined culture that Caucasian, Asian, Latino, and yes, many of their own racial groups are false simply because they are successful. Envy is at the root of this cultural rationalization, not race.

In such demonstration against civil society, women demand that the leadership, such as Obama, take a strong stand against those of immoral character. He has not – because he fears to divide his culture and his votes in the inner city. Therefore his very actions continue the violence, theft, drugs, predation which occurs daily in the inner cities. We want such African American leaders to condemn rather than appease, to expose rather than hide, to stand in the actuality of truth rather than enable, and to bend their backs to reverse immorality rather than defend it and call it white racism.

Women want Sen Obama to quit his church and his links to such deviations and in short, to clean up his own house before he assumes the White House. He has great ability, or professes in his own speeches that he does, yet on the other hand, he condemns then embraces the immoral. That is not right.

Women aren’t fearful, no indeed, they are demanding. They demand a moral society – they raise our children, are the one of two primary movers of society. They are disappointed in an American black culture (not race) that supports the above deviations from civil society, and are annoyed that the black community of the inner cities would encourage and empower such deviations of normal and healthy environments and justify it in the name of “racism” or cowers in fear of their gangs and enable them to thrive. Unlike other cultures and race who open their doors in festivals, markets and social exchange, the culture of the inner city blacks retreat into a cave of darkness and yes, deceit – and when challenged to come into the light – they use the “slave card” to avoid the necessity of civil discourse. Get over it, almost every race and culture has been enslaved at one time or another in history.

Here’s the crux of the problem as many women of political nature, including black women, share with me. Ted Kennedy – his faction, the extreme liberals of the Democratic Party has posed legislation upon legislation that gave trillions of dollars to the black communities in the inner cities – from housing projects to clothes, food, education, free health care, etc. In the beginning it was needed, in the middle it was exploited. In the conclusion, the art of exploiting the system never improved the system of entitlements nor improved except in frail inches the nature of the inner city. Currently, research, and more research, suggest the inner cities residents seeks to exploit public policy and funding for personal advantage and most certainly has not improved the status of those residents except in inches. However, it is not a culture without money, both earned and public, and banks and markets zero in with beneficial results. At the same time, Kennedy and the Black Caucus prevents incursion of civil society within that inner city culture and erects walls more racist than any tyrant could conceive. It keeps white people out, and black people in, all for political expediency. Clinton did try to integrate, Kennedy segregates. In short, the liberals gave all the outward symbols of success to the African American – the essence of “they don’t look poor, they look just like you and me – wink wink wink” in return for their vote. Many made it out of the inner cities, yet most remained. To compound the issues, the extreme liberals of this USA, for example, also gave vast amounts of money to roads that went around the deterioration of the inner cities so that civil society would not witness the utter apathy and rising crime of these inner circles of poverty and mismanaged welfare programs, and they continue to do so even today. In short, the extreme liberals of the Democratic Party continue to patronize a culture, rather than accept it. That is wrong.

This is what frustrates American women today, and this is why their vote is against Sen. Obama at this time. As Margaret Mead once suggested – women are warriors, men are gladiators, and this battle will continue until all women of all colors and their children can feel safe walking most streets in America. I am confident that African American women and men want the same – but we face a phenomena of gangs in the inner cities and innocents get killed in their drive bys – yet the culture of the inner city lives in fear of their own leadership, and does not condemn, they hide. I would suggest strongly to Krauthammer and Kevin Horrigan to read LeFeber’s comments on the Unseen Poor then project those theories forward to today and see the results is as the author predicted.

No, women do not fear African American men. Yes, the Rev Wright is an obstacle to progress, and Sen. Obama should sever his ties with his church in Chicago because the fact is – it is a militant black church. Howard Dean and Sen. Obama should not allow the disenfranchisement of voters in Michigan and Florida via their conduit of manipulation with the DNC. That is morally wrong to disenfranchise democracy and its participants from. It is the insistence of oligarchy over the principle of democracy.
As a woman I say to my African American neighbors in the inner cities. Come out of the Platonic cave of darkness, ascend, and you will find a just society that does look upon all equitably. Make your streets safe so that the smallest child of any color can walk and play freely. And in your arguments, as in mine, if you loose just one small battle, it does not mean you loose the war, nor does it mean that the black culture should turn their back to all cultures and brand them as racist. Condemn and pity those hate mongrels in all cultures – for hate seeks to destroy civil society, and condemnation and pity neutralizes and destroys hate. Sen. Obama condemned the vitriolic words of his pastor, or did he? But he did not condemn the racial walls that his Pastor erected as he himself was the mortar that bound those bricks together. That is what is disturbing to women, and to many.

Oh yes, and why doesn't Politico quit narrowing down a great man's (Faulkner) thought to something you can use, but dilutes and distorts a Faulkner's original premise. I attended a Faulkner lecture.


Faulkner did not hesitate to upsetting the apple cart about southern society. He pointed out endlessly about the contradictions and completeness of the southern mind. The south, he often lectured and wrote, was founded by criminals - criminals from an English period of time ruled by a society of some 400 families, which was considered by almost all scholars, as one of the most corrupt oligarchies of that time and disdainful of public opinion. Thus those criminals were often those who were in debt, stole a piece of bread, as well as true murderers and thieves, and forced to wait out their lives in convict ships that lined the rivers and coasts of England.. At the same time, the landowners of Virginia and North Carolina did not share that constituency. This is the contradiction of the south - this parallel between two classes of English settlers and how they disagreed. It merged as one with the introduction of indentured/slaves that created an impression that both sectors of society wanted to create - another England, another aristocracy. Faulkner argued that both groups were trying to put as much distance between their English past and the creation of another England complete with a southern aristocracy. by the recreation of their own society. In order to do so, they had to enforce their ideology upon the government of the United States. This is one of the elements of shared guilt. Slaves were imported to the new world via the Spanish connection, and both landowner and small farmer bought and sold humans to sustain their economies and their illusions. In reality, the southern truth is the landowner was in denial of their roots, and in doing so, were more ripe to seek anything that would put greater distance between their background and their roots and enhance the illusionary and frail society that they attempted to create. At the same time, abolitionists (and Greeley) would often point to the roots of the south and degrade it. This is the heart of the matter and obfuscating the issues. The south retaliated by assuming the high ground. Slaves were caught in the middle of both - and the moral ground was lost between ideology of race. The south, as argued notably by Faulkner,would go to any extremes to protection their illusions of grandeur as any paranoid and disturbed person would, and the Civil War emerged, or to the south "the war of northern aggression".

If Sen. Obama understood these constructs while giving his speech, then he is guilty of the same mentality that led to the Civil War, or carefully political to not alienate his base within the inner city, and not giving credit to those who have worked to heal these discords. I would argue respectively that his statements will bring forth another episode of debate between north and south without offering the solutions. If he should loose in the southern states - I fear the African American culture of the inner cities will raise the chants of racism much to the detriment of our American conscience. This is not about racism, this is about culture. Katrina is a perfect example - where a handful of leaders whose contempt of public disdain and intent on their own agenda did not recognize the demand by almost all of America to support and assist the victims of New Orleans. Let us ignore the Al Sharptons and the Rev Wrights and get to the heart of the matter.

At the same time, let me kindly remind you that Carter exposed these truths in many of his letters, his sermons, and his moral persuasion to the south, and his support of both the black community and white. The south grapples with their background and their duplicity - yet must those Brahmans of excessive liberal thought once again bring to bear the argument of racism, without the study of the similar roots of southerners and slaves? This is the ultimate irony of both cultures that Faulkner found distubring and oppressive - they both descended from corrupt societies - English and the Kingdom of Benin. Both are victims. Both have tried to compensate by building a society within a society. Who they are deceiving is themselves, and this is the issue that Sen. Obama did not introduce into his speech either due to ignorance or a desire to avoid the most hateful of subjects - oppression and victimization. He kindles it in the name of racism. That is wrong.

It is not about racism, as Faulkner often expressed. It is about cultural deception.

And Politico continue the political and ideologic deception. That is wrong.

TOMMY XTOPHER, YOU ARE BEGINNING TO PICK ON TRASHY ISSUES EVERYDAY---------YOU'RE GETTING SO PRO-OBAMA , YOUR LAST NAME COULD WELL BE KEITH OLBERMANN--TOMMY XTOPHER OLBERMANN.
HOW IS THAT?
WE DONT WANT THE MESSIAH AND HIS RACIAL DIALOGUE- WE WANT A PRESIDENT AND HILALRY CLINTON IS HER
TAKE YOUR MESSIAH TO ANOTHER COUNTRY--

WE AINT VOTING NO OBAMA, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
AN AMDITTED RACIST CANT OPEN A "RACIAL DIALOGUE."
OBAMA'S GRANDMA NEVER MADE RACIAL REMARKS.
OBAMA WAS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF- OBAMA JUST BECAME BLACK TO GET BLACK VOTES. HE MADE THOSE REMARKS, NOT HIS GRANDMA.

OBAMA IS A SERIAL LIAR, A PLAGIARIZER, A RACIST, A MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISOREDR.
OBAMA NEEDS A DOCTOR

THERE IS NOBODY WHO WENT TO BOSNIA WHO DID NOT TELL TALES OF BULLETS WHIZZING OVERHEAD AND PEOPLE BEING TOLD TO DUCK
IF SINBAD NEVER HEARD, IT SHOULD NOT SHOCK YOU
SINBAD IS A COMEDIAN....
ANOTHER WHITE-LOOKING COMEDIAN THAT THINKS HE'S BLACK.
HILLARY BEAT THE PUNDITS BEFORE, SHE WILL DO IT AGAIN-KEEP ON COMING, STUPID MEDIA!!

SO, WHO WANTS TO END THE ELECTION PROCESS
before the votes are counted?

The Obama maniacs.

This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
of 50 States not 48 states, so count
the damn votes in Michigan and Florida
even if you dont like the outcome.
The people have voted, and they have
a Constitutional right to be part of
the electoral process and have
their delegates seated.

We are not in Africa!!
Over here our citizens have a right to vote,
and their votes to be counted.

IT AINT OVER YET YOU MORONS. Obamas goose is cooked. He is done.

Muslims, racist bigots, go home.
Kennedy and Dean, I dont know what you have been drinking
but it ain't gonna work. You cant hijack the presidency.

Let's see the press takes Sinbad's (a black man?) word over Hillary Clinton. Of course she did exactly what she claimed and it is well documented. She, not he, was helicoptered in to the war zone, etc. You and the reader hear know the mainstream media only covers bad things about Hillary. This, of course, is not the truth. My question, per an annalogy made by my business partner, to the MSM is why does every bad comment made about Obama slide off of him like teflon (clean it up and on to the next) and they stick to Hillary like velcro (can't ever get past them)? Hillary is right for America and there simply is not fair treatment of her in any of the media. I do however think all of this will help. moblou KY, bring the primaries on to the rest of "US"

who is sinbad,,,,,,,,,,who cares about sinbad,,,,,

I AM ONE MINORITY DEM WHO WILL NOT BE FORCED TO VOTE FOR OBAMA simply because he is black and gives great sermons.

There is far too little beyond Obama's sermons that qualify him to lead this nation.

Hillary or McCain '08
Becasue America Needs A President, Not A Preacher

I don't see how Sam Texas can believe that this isn't newsworthy in the midst of a presidential campaign.

1. Clinton claims her experience makes her ready to lead on day one.

2. As one example, she describes a harrowing experience of landing in Bosnia under sniper fire,

3. Video shows sheand Chelsea landed to a smiling welcome from Bosnia's president and a young girl.

4. Instead of acknowledging that perhaps she mis-remembered, her campaign insists her account is accurate.

5. Isn't this Bushian logic? She never makes mistakes and whatever she says is true?

acer,
Something fishey going on within the DNC, I read and posted what the Democrats had to sign, how in the world would they have known that this would be the outcome, only someone with their hand in the cookie jar

You Clinton supporters do not like facts about Hillary coming to light but you enjoy attacking Senator Obama like a bunch of bigoted uneducated people.

Tom thanks for posting this with the video.
Keep on saying it the way it is.
Clinton is a liar and will do anything and say anything now to get votes.

It's difficult to tell if Tommy Christopher is interested in promoting a fair process to determine a democratic nominee or if his true intent is to scour up the tiniest particle of dirt on Hillary Clinton. What is indelible to any thoughtful observer is that the primary process is undemocratic. The DNC attempted to perpetuate that unfairness by blocking states from advancing their primary dates. The DNC allows all other kinds of mischief, however, like crossover voting and Caucuses, which are UNdemocratic by nature. Of course Obama is now Mr. I-play-by-the-rules regarding do-overs for FL and MI. So who is playing politics now? And who is ignoring it? The story of Hillary's Bosnia memory-lapse is trivial. Then again, maybe Christopher is simply small-minded.

OMG!! This is further proof of how Hillary has severly padded her resume! Fist, there was the Northern Ireland lie. Then she lied about the extent of her involvement with SCHIP. Now, she's tellie lies at campaign rallys about her account of Bosnia?!! WOW! Here's ANOTHER Hillary lie exposed!

democracynow2008

You Clinton supporters do not like facts about Hillary coming to light but you enjoy attacking Senator Obama like a bunch of bigoted uneducated people.
Clinton is a liar and will do anything and say anything now to get votes.

This is exactly the way I feel about the Obamanitwits and Obama

SO, WHO WANTS TO END THE ELECTION PROCESS
before the votes are counted?

The Obama maniacs.

This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
of 50 States not 48 states, so count
the damn votes in Michigan and Florida
even if you dont like the outcome.
The people have voted, and they have
a Constitutional right to be part of
the electoral process and have
their delegates seated.

We are not in Africa!!
Over here our citizens have a right to vote,
and their votes to be counted.

IT AINT OVER YET YOU MORONS. Obamas goose is
cooked. He is done.

Muslims, racist bigots, go home.

Ted KENNEDY and Howard DEAN I know you HATE women, but you CAN'T hijack the presidency.

What is as stake here is the perception of honesty vs dishonesty. If Hillary CLinton had not preempted Obama's "lack of experience" with her "37 years of experience" than this Bosnia campaign interruption. Essentially, Hillary has tried to build of the hopes that the electorate would believe she had enough experience to become president vis a vis her years of being a first lady. That, I beleive was her first and most significant mistake in entering the campaign. She has tried to bolster this with claims that she helped with the NAFTA negotiations. Supposedly, she has stated publically, to rally forces NOT to pass NAFTA. Previous to this, she bragged about her influence in brokering NAFTA and regalling in its passage. Hillalry has been so proud in inferring her experience that she has, ironically, proved she has no realtime experience in the context of 37 years as a first lady. Basically, she's been trying to convince us that she was instrumental in developing policies and promoting the good or bad points of impending or existing legislation. The reason she has not succeeded in capturing the hearts let alone the minds of the people is her fierce determination to win for the sake of winning. She is power hungry and, so I beleive, is Obama. Only personalities with the staggering audacity of egoism would become involved in a quest for the presidency. Hillary, however, asserts herself in a manner that is consistent with a megalomaniac. Her campaign has sought to hinder and embarrass Obama at every turn once she realized she was less neck and neck and more in hot water as the campaigns diverged and devolved in personal and deliberately underhanded tactics to disinherit Obama through inference. It was the Clinton campaign that unearthed the Wright video, it was the Clinton campaign that hawked the photo of Obama dressed in supposedly "Islamic" costume during his stay in Kenya. The costume was NOT Islamic but Kenyan. To prove this all one has to do to google Kenya to see how many people dress.

Hillary is secretive,more intent on promises (empty ones)that her papers will be released,(and her taxes) as proofs of her claims that she is, in the much touted experience department, the quinessential candidate of change.

It's interesting to me that after electing 2 Bushes, why would we want another Clinton? One is MORE than enough! Fresh blood, people without a history of favors given and favors recieved.People without the complications of inappropriate lobbying efforts, of taking money from less than honest individuals. Obama has been in the game in a different way. And that is through the distillation of a life lived as a multi racial person and ALL the ramifications of that experience. He prefers intelligence to rhetoric. He seeks a different path for America, a difficult one, indeed, to help mend the fractures we have suffered over the course of 8 years and more. He will be up against a wall when it comes to translating those ideas into legislation. It is hoped that Obama will effect compromise with energy and dignity. Obama is saylling we need another way of doing business in the volatile 21st century. Hillary does not.

Therefore, her efforts to deflect Sinbad's statements are important. She needs to be called to the carpet and questioned because we need to know her answers. When she gets the call at 3am she's going to hand the phone to Bill. We deserve more thatn THAT!

This posting is about Hillary Clinton's 'unauthentic' accounting of her trip to Bosnia. Unfortunately Hillary has a reputation for being less than authentic, so small incidents like her Bosnia stories get blown out of proportion - but they nevertheless reinforce her lack of authenticity.

Ths posting was not about women, Rev Wright, or any of the other garbage the Obama haters have put in their comments. It would be much more meaningful if everyone stayed on the posted subject.

With America sinking fast under the weight of the economy, the war, the price of gas, a bottomless dollar, the price of food, people losing their homes, etc., the media opts to inflame race issues by playing "one five second clip" from Rev Wright over and over again, and inviting every person wanting to get a face on TV to give testimony against Obama.
The dumbing of America is to manipulate opinions by any means necessary to suit your agenda. So what if the elections are rigged again? The US can continue to be the laughing stock of the world with presidents suffering an array of dysfunctions from Alzheimer, promiscuity or just plain dumb.
McCain is globe trotting with Joe Lieberman as his personal ventriloquist while Hillary continues to invent things she might have done to inflate her resume, and Bill forever the magician pulls race cards out of his skull.
Can't you see that the dissenssion the media and people like the Clintons are fueling will annihilate us all as long as we continue to seek reasons to blame and crush others for being different, having failed to learn the lessons from past history that we are doomed forever to repeat.