Conyers Wants Rove to Testify About Siegelman

Does anyone really believe that Karl Rove is telling the truth?

Does anyone have any real verifiable evidence that Karl Rove is not telling the truth in this matter?

Seems like Abrams thinks (1) no, Rove is not telling the truth and (2) yes, there may be evidence - at least enough question to get the Gov. released from jail until the Appellate Court proceeding is through.

I believe that Karl Rove, and other manipulators like him, think the American Public is stupid and will buy anything. May even be true - in the past, but one thing is for sure - those times are a changin'... Has NOTHING to do with political alignment, has EVERYTHING to do with the TRUTH.

So, longwalker, verifiable or not, the evidence will show that what goes around, comes around. If not this issue, there WILL be a time that Karl Rove will slip up.

Thanks for bringing this forward Jay - good work.

Old Lady USA : I suggest that you locate and read the letter Karl Rove sent to MSNBC. Also, ask yourself why Congressman Conyers has not recalled that woman who first claimed that Karl Rove was involved. IIRC, she was questioned by Conyers' committee and gave 143 or so pages of testimony on the subject without once mentioning Karl Rove. As both a former attorney and a former administrative law judge, I would love to compell testimony from both the woman who now claims to be Rove's "operative" and Conyers who is completely disregarding all the evidence for partisian political purposes.

Does anyone remember the person who, in 1980, claimed that George H. W. Bush flew to Paris in a top-secret military jet for a meeting with Iranian government officials. A Democartic Congressman stated that " As there was absolutely no evidence to support the man's charges, a hearing was necessary."

Morning longwalker –

Congratulations on your credentials.

(1) Because of that past experience, I am left to assume that your point in your post at ( longwalker 2:53PM Apr 18th 2008 ) has everything to do with the evidence as opposed to a polished-up partisan statement, supporting Rove.

Is my assumption true?

(2) In your second post at ( longwalker 5:13AM Apr 19th 2008 ) I see a linkage, that you present, that implies the two times congressional hearings having been called since 1980 were called for the express intent of bringing suspicion on those involved in a Bush-related activity – for no good reason other than a political “gotcha”.

Is my view of that linkage correct?

(3) 28 years, longwalker, what has been going on in those 28 years in-between??? The same old _ _ _ _.

(4) Make no mistake, I am no fan of either Abrams (as a member of the press) or Conyers (as a member of congress).

Having said that, I do believe that manipulating the American political process by means of trickster tactics is, in fact, evil.

Karl Rove is a master at it and therefore guilty, by his own past performance, as are others who follow his play book.

That's an opinion, true, but one based upon living day-to-day during those 28 years in a society governed by folks on both sides who think it is OK to trash the Rule of Law and the Public Trust.

(5) I'll check back to see your Response.

Until then, I'm off to drop a note to both Abrams and Conyers in an attempt to get answers to your points on the 5-page letter from Rove to Abrams and Conyers hearing plans.

(6) One more time, THANKS Jay.

Oh and longwalker, here are the products of Jay's link above (less than the first 20 words of this post)

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/timeline_don_siegelman_1126.htm
Timeline associated with Article
Muriel Kane and Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Monday November 26, 2007
at therawstory.com

and the article (part 1 of 2):
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/The_Permanent_Republican_Majority_1125.html
"The permanent Republican majority:
Part one: How a coterie of Republican heavyweights sent a governor to jail"
Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane
Published: Monday November 26, 2007
at therawstory.com

Rove is a man who doesn't want to leave power, and the button keeps getting pushed, someone doesn't like him, lol, pedejo

There is no question, Obama gave middle finger to Hillary twice in 2 different videos. HERE are 2 videos of OBAMA in 2 venues in NC. Note different people behind him in each video. He raises his finger exactly when he mentions Clintons name. How can he and his supporters deny it? And, say we are grabbing for straws!!!! I think they are so braindead, they can't discern that there are two venues where he did the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM

OR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw

Karl Rove? a soon to be forgotten individual...it isn't a question of his truthiness, it is a question of his competence.

THIS MAN IS ASKING US TO IGNORE HIS PAST AND ONLY THINK OF THE FUTURE.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself the bomber-terrorist WILLIAM (BILL) AYERS --- the story will disappear. His excuse is he was 8 when Ayers bombed America --- he doesn't continue with, AFTER he became an ADULT, he befriended Bill Ayers. Ayers has given money to Obama's campaigns. He has worked with Ayers in Chicago. They socialize in each other’s homes. Look this up on Google.

OBAMA is not responsible for what Jeremiah Wright said, but he must be held responsible for supporting him financially, emotionally, verbally, and physically. It is the action that damns him. OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and PASTOR WRIGHT --- the story will disappear. Obama has contributed thousands of dollars to the church. When Obama announced his candidacy for President, he dropped Wright as a speaker (Obama knew then what Wright was spewing!). Heck, I knew ‘after 9-11’ what his pastor was saying! Jeremiah Wright was on Obama’s political campaign ‘spiritual advisory committee’ until the truth came out! Then, Obama threw his “typical white grandmother” under the bus, while trying to protect Wright!

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and anti-American FARRAKHAN and all the money Farrakhan donated to his campaign --- the story will disappear. Wright gave Farrakhan a "lifetime achievement" award, and Obama lied in a debate saying it was for some community service Farrakhan did. Later, Obama said he may have received more money in donations than previously reported.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and slum lord REZKO and his Arab associates --- the story will disappear. There is ample evidence that Rezko did favors for Obama. A million dollar home for three-hundred-thousand, plus the land next door. At first, Obama said he did a few hours of work for Rezko. Later, he admitted he may have received about $250,000 from Rezko for his campaign.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and the NAFTA Meeting --- the story will disappear. The Obama campaign admitted the meeting AFTER they were caught!

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and MICHELLE’S COMMENTS --- the story will disappear. Read her college thesis.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and Exelon, the country's largest nuclear plant operator --- we won't remember them. Obama's “Chief Political Strategist”, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. Is this the history of the candidate who doesn't accept money from big business? How many other big companies are helping to raise these huge funds ($55 million in Feb)?

WE HAVE JUST OVER THREE MORE MONTHS TO LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT WHO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA REALLY IS.

I'm sorry, but his past and his 20-year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, as well as relationships with other radical, anti-Amerricans, tells me that Barack Hussein Obama is not an AMERICA FIRST supporter. Over the last year, Obama has been stretching out lies (a little at a time). He pretends to have amnesia --- or he lies until he is caught!

OBAMA'S guilt is not just about his ‘association’ with others --- it’s about all the lies he has told.

It just blows my mind that this administration is getting away with commiting crimes against the american people. Does anyone have any goddamm balls to go after these people. It appears that our elected officials are nothing but wimps who talk a big talk

My fellow Americans,
It is time to say NO to the "arab muslim" junior senator from Illinois. Barak "Hussein" Obama has serious anti-American beliefs, radical affiliations, he HATES American values and ridicules our Christian faith. He looks down on our white working class, shuns our national pride and dishonors our constitution and flag. Obama has been brainwashed by "white hating" privileged black racist bigots like Rev. Jeremiah for 20 years. They have a nonp-negotiable commitment to Africa!!! Obama has no place in our whtie house or presidency.

It is TIME we take a stand for a true leader, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton who loves America and American values, she embraces our strife and struggle, she is compassionate about our faith, and her pledge is with us, to restore our beloved country and make a prosperous future for us all.
I Vote Hillary Clinton for President.
I would vote McCain if Hillary does not get the nomination.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS HILLARY CLINTON.

CARL ROVE IS A LYING, SLIPPERY, SLEASY PIECE OF GARBAGE. U HAVE TO TAKE A BATH AFTER LISTENINGTO HIM!!! THE LITTLE GOONIE EXUDES AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WARPED EGO!! MAKE HIM TESTIFY ANE UR GONNA GET AN EXTRAORDINARY OF LIES!!!!

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review endorses Hillary!

Obama has NO portfolio for a president --- the world’s most powerful leader. The presidency is no place for on-the-job training in the best of times — and certainly not when the nation is at war, the economy is struggling, and federal governance in general is adrift.

More disturbing is what seems to be Obama’s private view of America.

Start with the “God damn America” diatribes of his one-time pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (Obama claims he didn’t know of these, even though he sat in Wright’s church for 20 years.) Add his wife Michelle’s remark about being proud of America for the first time in her life only because of her husband’s campaign.

Now we hear Obama himself disdaining small-town, Middle-America attitudes and values — a “clinging” to God, guns and bigotry — as a legacy of bitterness.
Everyone utters stupidities now and then. Yet taken together and uttered repeatedly, they sound like a pattern of thought in the Obama household. It’s a pattern the nation can’t afford in the White House.

In sharp contrast, Clinton is far more experienced in government — as an engaged first lady to a governor and a president, as a second-term senator in her own right.

She has a real voting record on key issues. Agree with her or not, you at least know where she stands instead of being forced to wonder.

Many of her views on domestic issues are too liberal for us, but on others she seems to have moderated. She told the Trib she opposes raising the cap on Social Security taxes, and she is less eager to raise income taxes than Obama.

More important, she is extremely knowledgeable on crucial foreign issues. Meeting with Trib editors last month, she ticked off an impressive list of international challenges and the solutions. (In Wednesday’s Philadelphia debate, Obama praised George H.W. Bush’s foreign policy — apparently not realizing that one of its architects was then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, a man he regularly excoriates.)

As we noted at the time of that meeting, Clinton’s decision to sit down with the Trib was courageous, given their longstanding criticism of her. That is no small matter: Political courage is essential in a president. Clinton has demonstrated it --- Obama has not.

Clinton has a real record. Obama doesn’t.

Clinton has experience of value to a president. Obama doesn’t.

CLEARLY, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE WISER CHOICE TO REPRESENT DEMOCRATS THIS FALL.

We need a president who will "immediately" take care of the economy, our troops, education, illegals crossing our borders, among other important things.

OBAMA SAID HE WILL "IMMEDIATELY" REVIEW POTENTIAL CRIMES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! IS HE NUTS? THE SHINE IS WEARING OFF THIS "GOLDEN BOY" OBAMA REALLY FAST!

Do you feel better knowing that a President Obama is going to spend his time and energy going after his fellow Americans who have been protecting us from the Islamic terrorists who are intent on killing Americans?

That makes a lot of sense --- NOT! Let's waste time and tax-payer dollars looking for potential crimes of the “previous” administration. And that would solve what exactly? Going back in time won’t take care of the present.

I am concerned with the safety of my child, period! So if you need to torture terrorists, go right ahead. Is Obama siding with the terrorists? He does have a lot of terrorist friends.

We really don’t need a “former” Muslim so-called “Christian” who attends an anti-American church, in the White House. He can’t make up his mind who he is and we don’t need him pushing the “button”!

HILLARY OR McCAIN!

VOTE COUNTRY --- NOT PARTY!



CAROLINA GIRL5:47PMApr 17th 2008


CRY-BABY-BAMA!

I wish that the debate had been more issues-oriented, because Clinton is very strong on the issues.

Whenever discussing the real issues we care about, she shows clear advantage over Obama.

However, I think it is amusing that the Obama people are so upset and blaming ABC for their candidate's poor performance.

The Golden Boy’s Free Ride Ended!

HILLARY 2008!

Obama’s associations with Ayers, Farrahkan, Wright, and Refko should be fully vetted. AFTER he was a grown man, Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers in the 1990’s, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid, underlined PAID directorship position. They worked together, attended fundraisers together, Ayers held fundraisers and was a contributor to Obama’s Chicago’s campaign, plus they are neighbors and visited each other quite often. Enough said. This relationship deserves being vetted. What’s the fear?

DON’T FORGET THESE PEOPLE: Wright, Ayers, Sinclair, Farrakhan, the Black Panthers, Rezko, Meeks, Malley, Auchi, Khalidi, McPeaks, Michelle Obama.

Imagine OBAMA and ALL these friends, associates, endorsers, etc., having a Pres.-Elect party?
After a few --- Wright could get up and give another, 'HATE WHITEY AMERICA!', speech...while Rezko`s trying to sell the White House to the Russians...before Lewis Ayers gets a chance to full-fill his life-long dream of blowing it up...meanwhile, BO and Sinclair renew some bad habits together...as Michele likes to watch...would be quite a party...anyone for crashing it...and you thought the Clintons were bad in the White House...

I’d much rather have the Clintons there. Maybe - and that’s a HUGE maybe - involved in a scandal which doesn’t affect the American people --- this is why the media ignores this garbage for what it is and will continue to ignore it as old news. Without the media, Obama can’t use it effectively enough to beat her...which makes her far more electable.

Meanwhile, Hillary’s policies could have us in prosperous times --- compare that to BO and Friends...who, quite frankly, may be dangerous to the American people.

McCain’s going to wipe the floor with Obama! I hear the Swift Boat bells ringing!

They’ll rip Obama apart, along with each and every one of those “PEOPLE/GROUPS MENTIONED ABOVE”!!!

Do not be fooled by the charisma of this man --- he clearly resents America and wants to "change" it in the way anti-Americans want it to be shaped.

Obama has no experience, judgment, credibility nor loyalty toward the USA. He is just a cynical, arrogant political opportunist with no wisdom.
For months, Barack Obama has been talking about fundamental "Change."

Most of us wonder what kind of change he wants? He has not been able to tell us. If we connect the dots --- we can get a pretty good idea of the kind of change Obama is talking about: He is being endorsed by anti-Americans and terrorists Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, and many other people who hate America. He is for the black supremacist and far-left anti-American ideology running things.

His ideas of change are a combination of the ultimate liberal wet dream and America's worst nightmare.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

I hear the Swift Boat bells a-ringing! It's music to my ears!

THINK ABOUT IT! Obama does have a lot of terrorist friends.

We really don’t need a “former” Muslim, so-called “Christian” (ho attends an anti-American church, which spews "God Damn America" to its congregation), in the White House.

Obama's anti-American wife doesn’t qualify as a first lady.

Obama can’t make up his mind who he is --- and we don’t need him pushing the “button”! He is not a uniter. He does not have a political track record. He couldn’t answer tough questions in the debate, so now he’s making false promises.

Clinton has a real record. Obama doesn’t. Clinton has experience of value to a president. Obama doesn’t.

CLEARLY, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE WISER CHOICE TO REPRESENT DEMOCRATS THIS FALL.

I hear the Swift Boat bells a-ringing! It's music to my ears!

THINK ABOUT IT! Obama does have a lot of terrorist friends.

We really don’t need a “former” Muslim, so-called “Christian” (ho attends an anti-American church, which spews "God Damn America" to its congregation), in the White House.

Obama's anti-American wife doesn’t qualify as a first lady.

Obama can’t make up his mind who he is --- and we don’t need him pushing the “button”! He is not a uniter. He does not have a political track record. He couldn’t answer tough questions in the debate, so now he’s making false promises.

Clinton has a real record. Obama doesn’t. Clinton has experience of value to a president. Obama doesn’t.

CLEARLY, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE WISER CHOICE TO REPRESENT DEMOCRATS THIS FALL.

THIS MAN IS ASKING US TO IGNORE HIS PAST AND ONLY THINK OF THE FUTURE.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself the bomber-terrorist WILLIAM (BILL) AYERS --- the story will disappear. His excuse is he was 8 when Ayers bombed America --- he doesn't continue with, AFTER he became an ADULT, he befriended Bill Ayers. Ayers has given money to Obama's campaigns. He has worked with Ayers in Chicago. They socialize in each other’s homes. Look this up on Google.

OBAMA is not responsible for what Jeremiah Wright said, but he must be held responsible for supporting him financially, emotionally, verbally, and physically. It is the action that damns him. OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and PASTOR WRIGHT --- the story will disappear. Obama has contributed thousands of dollars to the church. When Obama announced his candidacy for President, he dropped Wright as a speaker (Obama knew then what Wright was spewing!). Heck, I knew ‘after 9-11’ what his pastor was saying! Jeremiah Wright was on Obama’s political campaign ‘spiritual advisory committee’ until the truth came out! Then, Obama threw his “typical white grandmother” under the bus, while trying to protect Wright!

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and anti-American FARRAKHAN and all the money Farrakhan donated to his campaign --- the story will disappear. Wright gave Farrakhan a "lifetime achievement" award, and Obama lied in a debate saying it was for some community service Farrakhan did. Later, Obama said he may have received more money in donations than previously reported.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and slum lord REZKO and his Arab associates --- the story will disappear. There is ample evidence that Rezko did favors for Obama. A million dollar home for three-hundred-thousand, plus the land next door. At first, Obama said he did a few hours of work for Rezko. Later, he admitted he may have received about $250,000 from Rezko for his campaign.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and the NAFTA Meeting --- the story will disappear. The Obama campaign admitted the meeting AFTER they were caught!

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and MICHELLE’S COMMENTS --- the story will disappear. Read her college thesis.

OBAMA thinks if he puts distance between himself and Exelon, the country's largest nuclear plant operator --- we won't remember them. Obama's “Chief Political Strategist”, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. Is this the history of the candidate who doesn't accept money from big business? How many other big companies are helping to raise these huge funds ($55 million in Feb)?

WE HAVE JUST OVER THREE MORE MONTHS TO LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT WHO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA REALLY IS.

I'm sorry, but his past and his 20-year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, as well as relationships with other radical, anti-Amerricans, tells me that Barack Hussein Obama is not an AMERICA FIRST supporter. Over the last year, Obama has been stretching out lies (a little at a time). He pretends to have amnesia --- or he lies until he is caught!

OBAMA'S guilt is not just about his ‘association’ with others --- it’s about all the lies he has told.

CLEARLY, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE WISER CHOICE TO REPRESENT DEMOCRATS THIS FALL.