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05/28/08
Filed Under:Hillary Clinton, Democrats, Barack Obama, Breaking News, 2008 President
Lawyers for the Democratic National Committee advised the party today that it may seat half of the disputed Michigan and Florida delegations at the Democratic National Convention in August. The group actually presented two options, seat half the delegates, or seat all of them but give them only half a vote each. The recommendation comes three days before a critical meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee for the convention. That committee could decide to accept the recommendation or to seat all or none of the delegates. If it goes along with the party lawyers, the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination outright would increase from the current 2025 to 2118, leaving Sen. Barack Obama, the leader in the delegate count, approximately 90 delegates shy of the mark, according to Real Clear Politics' current delegate count and factoring in Obama's likely gain from Florida. Since Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, it is unclear exactly how the delegates from that state would be allocated. But he may pick up some more from that state as well. In the event that any of Florida and Michigan's delegates are seated, Sen. Hillary Clinton will maintain a rationale for staying in the Democratic primary race through the beginning of the convention. Her campaign argues that all the votes must be counted in the primary and has made her presence in the race largely about protecting that principle. She also argues that Michigan and Florida are important general election states and penalizing them by denying their delegations full participation rights at the convention bodes ill for the eventual Democratic nominee's chances of winning the two states in November.
Florida and Michigan were stripped of their convention delegates in August and December respectively of last year by DNC Chairman Howard Dean for holding their presidential primaries before the party-sanctioned date of February 5th. Candidates agreed not to campaign or raise money in the two states and most took their names off of the ballots there. But Sen. Clinton kept her name on the ballot in both states and Sen. Obama appeared on the ballot in Florida. Efforts between the two campaigns, the DNC, and the Congressional delegations of the disputed states to reach a compromise on the issue have all failed. Saturday's meeting could bring a final resolution or begin a new round of wrangling between the rival campaigns.
Note: An earlier verison of this article erroneously claimed that Sen. Obama would be approximately 140 delegates short of the new number needed to clinch the nomination. The author regrets the error.
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4:54PM May 28th 2008
If Hillary Clinton or Terry McAuliffe, campaign chairperson for the Hillary Clinton crusade say once more that Hillary is ahead in the popular vote because the National Committee has not counted the popular vote in Michigan and Florida, I will regurgitate.
She is giving the impression that she is persecuted, when, in fact, she should be prosecuted for violating a “contract” she signed but is now endeavoring to circumvent as her victory in the Democratic primaries is suffering a slow, but certain death.
On August 6, 2006, the DNC voted that no primary could be held prior to the Iowa Caucus, and the New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina primaries or February 5, 2008.
All of the Democratic candidates for the presidential nomination for president signed an agreement that they would not campaign in those states which contrary to the National Committee Rules moved their primaries prior to the Iowa Caucus, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina primaries would not have their votes counted nor their delegates seated at the national convention in Denver.
Michigan democrats voted to move their primary to January 15, 2008 in order to enhance their state’s importance in influencing the selection of the party’s presidential nominee.
On December 1, 2007, the DNC voted to strip Michigan of all of its votes and denied its delegates seats at the Democratic National Convention in August, 2008.
On October 9, 2007 because Michigan voted to violate the DNC rules, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and John Edwards—all withdrew from the Michigan Primary ballot. Kucinich tried but failed to remove his name, but Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd chose to have their names remain on the ballot. On December 10, 2007, the Michigan DP issued a press release stipulating that their primary would be conducted on January 15, 2008.
Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinch and “uncommitted” were the only names that remained on the Michigan ballot.
Basically the same story holds true for Florida. In the spring of 2007, the Florida Legislature overwhelmingly voted to hold its 2008 primary on January 29, 2008. In response the Rules and By-Laws Committee of DNC gave the State of Florida thirty days to rescind its recently passed date for holding its state primary. The State did not respond.
The DNC gave Florida the same penalty it imposed upon Michigan.
However, this time Hillary Clinton pulled a fast one. Having signed the pledge with all of the other candidates not to campaign in those states in violation of the DNC rules, on January 25, 2008 she suddenly began to press the DNC to allow the Florida delegates along with those of Michigan to be seated and permitted to vote at the National Convention in spite of the DNC ruling.
Her statement read: “We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.... We believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.”
Hillary Clinton violated her commitment. Obama’s name did appear on the Florida ballot because the state party placed it there, but he did not campaign in that state as the pledge he made required. But he did not campaign in the state as promised.
Hillary’s name remained on the Florida ballot and the Michigan ballot contrary to Party rules and now, because she won the popular vote in Florida where Obama did not campaign and the Michigan vote where Obama’s name did not even appear on the ballot, she is counting the raw popular vote as legitimate figures to be added to her national total of the popular vote.
This is pure acquisitiveness. She knew, in fact, she publicly admitted that the votes in those two states were not going to be counted; however, that was when she was assuring everyone that she was the presumptive nominee and that the nominee would be selected by February, 2008.
For the same reason, her campaign choose not to campaign in those states that held only caucuses. She assumed she did not need the votes from the caucus states to capture the nomination. What a terrible blunder; if her management style in the White House would have resembled her management of her campaign, we can only give thanks that she will not win the nomination. In other words, if management of her campaign is any indication of how she would run the country, this lady requires an MBA in management before she tries again for such an important office.
Obama went into every state, campaigned in every primary and every caucus state with the idea of accumulating as many pledged delegates as he could engender.
Hillary’s failure to do likewise was the biggest miscalculation of her campaign. It was her arrogance that brought her down. It was the attitude that she was the presumptive Democratic Party nominee that turned people off and gave Obama a free ride via the caucus states where he sought the vote of every registered Democrat by assuming nothing and taking nothing for granted.
The other irony is that her campaign staff was so self-assured that she would win the prize by February, 2008 that they only raised enough money for the campaign through the February cluster of primaries. In fact, she ran out of money by the end of January because Obama’s unbelievably successful money raising efforts delivered millions of dollars in unexpected quantities that his war chest was overflowing.
His crowds were topping hers two to one. In some states he set records by attracting the largest throngs of people anyone had ever seen at a political rally.
There is no question that in spite of the rule violations by the States of Florida and Michigan, the registered Democrats have a right to have their voices heard and a right to have delegates seated at the Democratic National Convention in August. The question is how?
Personally, I believe that they should simply divide the total number of delegates provided for in each of the two states and divide them in half.
This quandary must be resolved quickly so that Obama can get on with the fall campaign. McCain has been on the campaign trail all to himself. The longer it goes on the less time Obama will have to present his case to the voters of the country and allow the American voters to become thoroughly acquainted with him. In this set of circumstances, Obama is not familiar to millions of our citizens. Somehow we have developed this crazy idea that just because someone has his name and picture in the newspaper or on the television screen that everyone knows him. That simply is not the truth.
According to a study on advertising conducted eons ago when there were only three television channels available in each market, a viewer must see a man’s photo and hear a man’s voice twenty-one (21) times before he could remember the name and the voice.
Today, with one hundred fifty five (150) channels and more available on a satellite hook up, it takes even more exposures for the viewer to recall the message.
Clinton is a household name because she has been on the political stage since first Bill ran for office in Arkansas in 1977. As she likes to say, she has been vetted; Obama has not.
Her name is known in every home in the country and most of the homes in the world. Her husband was president for eight years; Hillary was the first lady. She is either hated or loved.
Comparatively speaking, Obama is a neophyte. And when one takes into account that the less educated, those living on a limited income tend not to read the newspaper and not to watch/listen to the evening news, it is easy to see why Obama is has had problems reaching the blue collar worker, those with a high school education or less, and living in a home with a household income of $50,000 or less in states such as West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Texas and Pennsylvania, Obama has not faired as well as he has in states where he had a chance to allow himself to be more widely known.
You will note that the more time Obama has to work in most states, the bigger his vote count. It is only those states with a history of poor education, poverty and cultural isolation, where race grows like fungus on a spoiled apple that he seems to have a problem with his ethnic background.
Barack Obama is half black (his father was born in Africa) and half White (his mother was born in Kansas). He came from poverty. His grandparents who raised him worked multiple jobs to earn enough money to provide food and shelter. The only reason that Hillary Clinton dares call Barack Obama an elitist is to take the focus off of her own background which includes the fairly wealthy suburbs of Chicago that allowed her to attend Wellesley and Yale and to practice corporate law in the biggest law firm in Arkansas.
The other factor that seems to have played in many of the states listed above—race--has played a bigger issue in these states than most of us would like to believe. Even the cable and television networks have hesitated to use the word “racist.”
A lady from Florida said to me with a straight face, “You know he is a Muslim. Hamas as endorsed him. And besides that, the first thing he will do is appoint Jesse Jackson to some big high paying job that should go to a qualified White man.”
We really must stop fooling ourselves on the question of race. The less money people make, the less education, the closer they survive from the poverty line or the more sheltered they have lived their lives relative to travel, work, exposure to people of other countries and other races, the greater the degree of prejudice their minds produce.
In West Virginia and Kentucky it is likely that while thirty percent of the Democrats who voted admitted that race played a role in their vote against Obama, the percentage was nearly fifty percent when their answers to other questions were factored into the equation
There is nothing Obama can do to expunge the racism that stains the minds and hearts of those who are prejudiced without reason against a man of color. With the election five months away, the one thing that he can do is bring his campaign to the people who are strangers to the people of other races, in their streets, homes, fairs, carnivals, and country courthouses. Not to turn the campaign into a 19th century run for office, but he must give these people who are totally unfamiliar with blacks “an up close and personal” view of him and his plans for this country. He must allow them to get to know the man behind the dark skin; his humanity, his marvelous sense of humor, his ability to talk to them one on one and the fact that he was reared just as they were reared. He was born poor. He is not an elitist. He is a good person who not only talks about Christianity, but is a true believer who lives his religion in the plans he has to change Washington, to give the nation’s capital back to the people after driving the lobbyists out of the temple of democracy. When they learn to know him, they will trust him just like 70% of the people of Illinois who voted for him in his election to the U. S. Senate, like the people of Virginia, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Iowa—all across the country have made him their choice for President of the United States.
She is giving the impression that she is persecuted, when, in fact, she should be prosecuted for violating a “contract” she signed but is now endeavoring to circumvent as her victory in the Democratic primaries is suffering a slow, but certain death.
On August 6, 2006, the DNC voted that no primary could be held prior to the Iowa Caucus, and the New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina primaries or February 5, 2008.
All of the Democratic candidates for the presidential nomination for president signed an agreement that they would not campaign in those states which contrary to the National Committee Rules moved their primaries prior to the Iowa Caucus, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina primaries would not have their votes counted nor their delegates seated at the national convention in Denver.
Michigan democrats voted to move their primary to January 15, 2008 in order to enhance their state’s importance in influencing the selection of the party’s presidential nominee.
On December 1, 2007, the DNC voted to strip Michigan of all of its votes and denied its delegates seats at the Democratic National Convention in August, 2008.
On October 9, 2007 because Michigan voted to violate the DNC rules, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and John Edwards—all withdrew from the Michigan Primary ballot. Kucinich tried but failed to remove his name, but Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd chose to have their names remain on the ballot. On December 10, 2007, the Michigan DP issued a press release stipulating that their primary would be conducted on January 15, 2008.
Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinch and “uncommitted” were the only names that remained on the Michigan ballot.
Basically the same story holds true for Florida. In the spring of 2007, the Florida Legislature overwhelmingly voted to hold its 2008 primary on January 29, 2008. In response the Rules and By-Laws Committee of DNC gave the State of Florida thirty days to rescind its recently passed date for holding its state primary. The State did not respond.
The DNC gave Florida the same penalty it imposed upon Michigan.
However, this time Hillary Clinton pulled a fast one. Having signed the pledge with all of the other candidates not to campaign in those states in violation of the DNC rules, on January 25, 2008 she suddenly began to press the DNC to allow the Florida delegates along with those of Michigan to be seated and permitted to vote at the National Convention in spite of the DNC ruling.
Her statement read: “We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.... We believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.”
Hillary Clinton violated her commitment. Obama’s name did appear on the Florida ballot because the state party placed it there, but he did not campaign in that state as the pledge he made required. But he did not campaign in the state as promised.
Hillary’s name remained on the Florida ballot and the Michigan ballot contrary to Party rules and now, because she won the popular vote in Florida where Obama did not campaign and the Michigan vote where Obama’s name did not even appear on the ballot, she is counting the raw popular vote as legitimate figures to be added to her national total of the popular vote.
This is pure acquisitiveness. She knew, in fact, she publicly admitted that the votes in those two states were not going to be counted; however, that was when she was assuring everyone that she was the presumptive nominee and that the nominee would be selected by February, 2008.
For the same reason, her campaign choose not to campaign in those states that held only caucuses. She assumed she did not need the votes from the caucus states to capture the nomination. What a terrible blunder; if her management style in the White House would have resembled her management of her campaign, we can only give thanks that she will not win the nomination. In other words, if management of her campaign is any indication of how she would run the country, this lady requires an MBA in management before she tries again for such an important office.
Obama went into every state, campaigned in every primary and every caucus state with the idea of accumulating as many pledged delegates as he could engender.
Hillary’s failure to do likewise was the biggest miscalculation of her campaign. It was her arrogance that brought her down. It was the attitude that she was the presumptive Democratic Party nominee that turned people off and gave Obama a free ride via the caucus states where he sought the vote of every registered Democrat by assuming nothing and taking nothing for granted.
The other irony is that her campaign staff was so self-assured that she would win the prize by February, 2008 that they only raised enough money for the campaign through the February cluster of primaries. In fact, she ran out of money by the end of January because Obama’s unbelievably successful money raising efforts delivered millions of dollars in unexpected quantities that his war chest was overflowing.
His crowds were topping hers two to one. In some states he set records by attracting the largest throngs of people anyone had ever seen at a political rally.
There is no question that in spite of the rule violations by the States of Florida and Michigan, the registered Democrats have a right to have their voices heard and a right to have delegates seated at the Democratic National Convention in August. The question is how?
Personally, I believe that they should simply divide the total number of delegates provided for in each of the two states and divide them in half.
This quandary must be resolved quickly so that Obama can get on with the fall campaign. McCain has been on the campaign trail all to himself. The longer it goes on the less time Obama will have to present his case to the voters of the country and allow the American voters to become thoroughly acquainted with him. In this set of circumstances, Obama is not familiar to millions of our citizens. Somehow we have developed this crazy idea that just because someone has his name and picture in the newspaper or on the television screen that everyone knows him. That simply is not the truth.
According to a study on advertising conducted eons ago when there were only three television channels available in each market, a viewer must see a man’s photo and hear a man’s voice twenty-one (21) times before he could remember the name and the voice.
Today, with one hundred fifty five (150) channels and more available on a satellite hook up, it takes even more exposures for the viewer to recall the message.
Clinton is a household name because she has been on the political stage since first Bill ran for office in Arkansas in 1977. As she likes to say, she has been vetted; Obama has not.
Her name is known in every home in the country and most of the homes in the world. Her husband was president for eight years; Hillary was the first lady. She is either hated or loved.
Comparatively speaking, Obama is a neophyte. And when one takes into account that the less educated, those living on a limited income tend not to read the newspaper and not to watch/listen to the evening news, it is easy to see why Obama is has had problems reaching the blue collar worker, those with a high school education or less, and living in a home with a household income of $50,000 or less in states such as West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Texas and Pennsylvania, Obama has not faired as well as he has in states where he had a chance to allow himself to be more widely known.
You will note that the more time Obama has to work in most states, the bigger his vote count. It is only those states with a history of poor education, poverty and cultural isolation, where race grows like fungus on a spoiled apple that he seems to have a problem with his ethnic background.
Barack Obama is half black (his father was born in Africa) and half White (his mother was born in Kansas). He came from poverty. His grandparents who raised him worked multiple jobs to earn enough money to provide food and shelter. The only reason that Hillary Clinton dares call Barack Obama an elitist is to take the focus off of her own background which includes the fairly wealthy suburbs of Chicago that allowed her to attend Wellesley and Yale and to practice corporate law in the biggest law firm in Arkansas.
The other factor that seems to have played in many of the states listed above—race--has played a bigger issue in these states than most of us would like to believe. Even the cable and television networks have hesitated to use the word “racist.”
A lady from Florida said to me with a straight face, “You know he is a Muslim. Hamas as endorsed him. And besides that, the first thing he will do is appoint Jesse Jackson to some big high paying job that should go to a qualified White man.”
We really must stop fooling ourselves on the question of race. The less money people make, the less education, the closer they survive from the poverty line or the more sheltered they have lived their lives relative to travel, work, exposure to people of other countries and other races, the greater the degree of prejudice their minds produce.
In West Virginia and Kentucky it is likely that while thirty percent of the Democrats who voted admitted that race played a role in their vote against Obama, the percentage was nearly fifty percent when their answers to other questions were factored into the equation
There is nothing Obama can do to expunge the racism that stains the minds and hearts of those who are prejudiced without reason against a man of color. With the election five months away, the one thing that he can do is bring his campaign to the people who are strangers to the people of other races, in their streets, homes, fairs, carnivals, and country courthouses. Not to turn the campaign into a 19th century run for office, but he must give these people who are totally unfamiliar with blacks “an up close and personal” view of him and his plans for this country. He must allow them to get to know the man behind the dark skin; his humanity, his marvelous sense of humor, his ability to talk to them one on one and the fact that he was reared just as they were reared. He was born poor. He is not an elitist. He is a good person who not only talks about Christianity, but is a true believer who lives his religion in the plans he has to change Washington, to give the nation’s capital back to the people after driving the lobbyists out of the temple of democracy. When they learn to know him, they will trust him just like 70% of the people of Illinois who voted for him in his election to the U. S. Senate, like the people of Virginia, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Iowa—all across the country have made him their choice for President of the United States.
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bonbon
4:49PM May 28th 2008
no 50 /50 split.
each candidate gets the votes the people gave them, you cannot take away votes they are non negotiable, and must be counted as cast.
why is it always in Obama's favor.
each candidate gets the votes the people gave them, you cannot take away votes they are non negotiable, and must be counted as cast.
why is it always in Obama's favor.
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(0) tom
4:50PM May 28th 2008
This is what Hillary has done
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/clinton-watergate.htm
And this is what Obama has done
This is what Obama has done
http://obama.senate.gov/press/061211-lugar-obama_bil_1/
http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12761
http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/02/obamas_senate_foreign_relation.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3628100.ece
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/18/america/obama.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1206591241-yqvO2W1CoM98genftOjYkQ&oref=slogin
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/law-students-gave-Obama121807/index.html
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg
http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan05/cover.php
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/clinton-watergate.htm
And this is what Obama has done
This is what Obama has done
http://obama.senate.gov/press/061211-lugar-obama_bil_1/
http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12761
http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/02/obamas_senate_foreign_relation.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3628100.ece
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/18/america/obama.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1206591241-yqvO2W1CoM98genftOjYkQ&oref=slogin
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/law-students-gave-Obama121807/index.html
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg
http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan05/cover.php
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260
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(0) Agnes
4:58PM May 28th 2008
BLOOTERS for OBAMA !
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(0) American Patriot
5:00PM May 28th 2008
Hussein Obama keeps on putting his foot in his big mouth day after day. He has turned to lying to the American people claiming his uncle was with Ameriocan troops who liberated the Auschwitz Concentration Camp. The Americans were no mwhere near Auschwitz. The American troops liberated the Buchenwald concentaration camp some 500 plus miles away. The idiot Hussein Obama didn't even have an uncle who served in the Army. the crap that his uncle wentt up into the attic and stayed there for 6 months is just more of his phony crap. Obama is trying to come with bullshit stories about the military to cover up for his shortcomings as a coward who never served and has undermined our brave troops in Iraq from the very begining when he became a senator. America's men in uniform will show this damned coward that he will never be welcomed as their Commander-in Chief. Hussein Obama has never shown any respect for our brave men in uniform. Like Hanoi Kerry this Hussein Obama coward will lose the miliotary vote.
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(0) TJ
5:00PM May 28th 2008
THE MAGIC NUMMBER GOES UP
HILLARY, PLEASE HANG IN THERE
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, DEMOCTRAS WILL COME TO OUR SENSES
OBAMA WILL LOSE TO MCCAIN
DONT FORGET WE HAVENT JOINED MCCAIN YET, WHICH MILLIONS WILL DO IF HILLARY IS PUSHED OUT,..
HILLARY IS BEATING THEM BOTH..
TJ, THE CLINTONITE NOW AND TOMORROW.
HILLARY, PLEASE HANG IN THERE
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, DEMOCTRAS WILL COME TO OUR SENSES
OBAMA WILL LOSE TO MCCAIN
DONT FORGET WE HAVENT JOINED MCCAIN YET, WHICH MILLIONS WILL DO IF HILLARY IS PUSHED OUT,..
HILLARY IS BEATING THEM BOTH..
TJ, THE CLINTONITE NOW AND TOMORROW.
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(0) JOHN MANN
5:08PM May 28th 2008
Well, it appears that Clinton has lost the fight. The math bar h as been raised. Obama led over her to date by near 200 delegates. Clinton's math has been raised also. Clinton is low on Superdelegates also and the next 3 states will not garner her much of a lift either, being the total to glean in ALL will be 86 and will be split in some manner between Obama and Clinton. I think like they say, that's all she wrote. I believe without a doubt, Clinton will not be the nominee. She is pushing the envelope for all it is worth but it will be futile when all is said and one.
By gosh, I think we have heard the fat lady just sing!
By gosh, I think we have heard the fat lady just sing!
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(0) Katherine
5:04PM May 28th 2008
what's his magic number? 666?
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(0) Diane Diamond
5:25PM May 28th 2008
Obvious by now that Clinton has been caught in the Peter Principle, reached the level of her own incompetance. Her groupies will recover after they quit sialoiding and the race will move on to better heights.
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(0) kaflooey
5:11PM May 28th 2008
She also argues that Michigan and Florida are important general election states and penalizing them by denying their delegations full participation rights at the convention bodes ill for the eventual Democratic nominee's chances of winning the two states in November.
I realize that I'm the only one who this makes sense to, but I'm ok with that. lol
I realize that I'm the only one who this makes sense to, but I'm ok with that. lol
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(0) SAL
5:11PM May 28th 2008
Katherine..another of your vile beastly remarks.
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(0) Pauline
5:18PM May 28th 2008
SAL
Katherine has no real issues, just her convoluted personal baggage coming out. Pity Pity.
Katherine has no real issues, just her convoluted personal baggage coming out. Pity Pity.
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(0) Charles
5:15PM May 28th 2008
I am from Michigan, I did vote and my vote MUST BE COUNTED FULLY. I am for Senator Clinton or Senator McCain. There is no way I can vote for Senator Obama because I believe the media is trying to select the Democratic Representative especially CNN and MSNBC, IT'S SHAMEFUL.
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(0) Maureen
5:36PM May 28th 2008
NO MATTER HOW THE DNC CUTS IT THE MATH PROVES IT WILL MAKE NO DENT IN OBAMA'S LEAD. ... SHE HAS BEEN 86'D FROM THE RACE DUE TO BARACK OBAMA'S OVERWHELMING DELEGATE ...COUNT.
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(0) OhReally
5:21PM May 28th 2008
NEWS FLASH!!!!!!
NEW YORK POST
In an unprecedented move the DNC tried to set a precedent by thwarting the efforts, and cutting off the left leg off their own Rules committee who favor seating all of the Florida and Michigan voters. They have issued a press release stating that unnamed lawyers (BO and John Whatshisname). who are afraid of their wives, have pre-empted the rules committee as part of OPERATION WE DON'T WANT A WOMAN. Of course their statement is only their preference and any relationship to "law" is pursely coincidental; there are no rules or laws upon which they based their opinion.
As there are no precedents of course these lawyers took turns stating reasons why the Democratic party
can't afford to nominate a winner for the next Presidential election. The House, the Senate and the Presidency would be just too much to handle. Party wisdom suggests another McGovern or Dukakis would ease the strain of having to make Presidential choices which a rookie would surely screw up.
In another unprecedented move these lawyers had a moment of prayer hoping that the electorate does not find about the illegal activities of MoveOn in the caucus states. A comparison of delegate votes based on primaries rather than caucus votes surely must be illegal as well because Hillary would win?
These lawyers also suspended the rules requiring that super-delegates vote for the "most electable" as that
would eliminate their candidate
The DNC is praying that no one even thinks of the Supreme Court to resolve this issue.
A statement by Howard Dean. "Well, if this doesn't work...we will think up some other dastardly dead."
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Of course this story is a spoof with a lot of truth and plenty of sarcasm. The AOL Obama Pimp Machine considers the New York Post a credible source who;s headlines include "Headless Man found in Strip Bar", whether their stories are true or not..why can't we
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NEW YORK POST
In an unprecedented move the DNC tried to set a precedent by thwarting the efforts, and cutting off the left leg off their own Rules committee who favor seating all of the Florida and Michigan voters. They have issued a press release stating that unnamed lawyers (BO and John Whatshisname). who are afraid of their wives, have pre-empted the rules committee as part of OPERATION WE DON'T WANT A WOMAN. Of course their statement is only their preference and any relationship to "law" is pursely coincidental; there are no rules or laws upon which they based their opinion.
As there are no precedents of course these lawyers took turns stating reasons why the Democratic party
can't afford to nominate a winner for the next Presidential election. The House, the Senate and the Presidency would be just too much to handle. Party wisdom suggests another McGovern or Dukakis would ease the strain of having to make Presidential choices which a rookie would surely screw up.
In another unprecedented move these lawyers had a moment of prayer hoping that the electorate does not find about the illegal activities of MoveOn in the caucus states. A comparison of delegate votes based on primaries rather than caucus votes surely must be illegal as well because Hillary would win?
These lawyers also suspended the rules requiring that super-delegates vote for the "most electable" as that
would eliminate their candidate
The DNC is praying that no one even thinks of the Supreme Court to resolve this issue.
A statement by Howard Dean. "Well, if this doesn't work...we will think up some other dastardly dead."
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Of course this story is a spoof with a lot of truth and plenty of sarcasm. The AOL Obama Pimp Machine considers the New York Post a credible source who;s headlines include "Headless Man found in Strip Bar", whether their stories are true or not..why can't we
.
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(0) Big Sister
5:24PM May 28th 2008
"Katherine" is a paid Clinton campaign internet board visitor.
Hope those paychecks don't bounce -- I'd cash them before next Wednesday if I were you!
Hope those paychecks don't bounce -- I'd cash them before next Wednesday if I were you!
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(0) Frank Foster
5:35PM May 28th 2008
Great quality to have in a leader! Someone who chooses what rules to follow and what rules to break! We have someone like that in the White House now, why would anybody in their right mind want a repeat of what we have now!
Hillary is a liar who deceives ignorant people into voting for her, who flip-flops on every issue, and who supports breaking rules if it means benefiting her agenda.
I want a leader who knows, understands and respects the rules and the law of the land. I want a leader who has integrity, grace, dignity, courage and a true sense of humanity and what America is and needs to get back to being a great country. That leader is Barack Obama.
Hillary is a liar who deceives ignorant people into voting for her, who flip-flops on every issue, and who supports breaking rules if it means benefiting her agenda.
I want a leader who knows, understands and respects the rules and the law of the land. I want a leader who has integrity, grace, dignity, courage and a true sense of humanity and what America is and needs to get back to being a great country. That leader is Barack Obama.
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(0) MJG22
5:25PM May 28th 2008
kaflooey5:11PMMay 28th 2008
She also argues that Michigan and Florida are important general election states and penalizing them by denying their delegations full participation rights at the convention bodes ill for the eventual Democratic nominee's chances of winning the two states in November.
I realize that I'm the only one who this makes sense to, but I'm ok with that. lol
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Iowa and New Hampshire also voted early and no one is punishing them for doing so. Florida and Michigan voters were set-up by Party big wigs. The voters have voted and every vote must count, not 50% but 100%.
Anything else will be considered a travesty to democracy. Shame on the DNC for even considering such an unjust proposal.
She also argues that Michigan and Florida are important general election states and penalizing them by denying their delegations full participation rights at the convention bodes ill for the eventual Democratic nominee's chances of winning the two states in November.
I realize that I'm the only one who this makes sense to, but I'm ok with that. lol
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Iowa and New Hampshire also voted early and no one is punishing them for doing so. Florida and Michigan voters were set-up by Party big wigs. The voters have voted and every vote must count, not 50% but 100%.
Anything else will be considered a travesty to democracy. Shame on the DNC for even considering such an unjust proposal.
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(0) rrm12
5:25PM May 28th 2008
JOHN MANN5:08PMMay 28th 2008
Well, it appears that Clinton has lost the fight. The math bar h as been raised. Obama led over her to date by near 200 delegates. Clinton's math has been raised also. Clinton is low on Superdelegates also and the next 3 states will not garner her much of a lift either, being the total to glean in ALL will be 86 and will be split in some manner between Obama and Clinton. I think like they say, that's all she wrote. I believe without a doubt, Clinton will not be the nominee. She is pushing the envelope for all it is worth but it will be futile when all is said and one.
By gosh, I think we have heard the fat lady just sing!
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Wake up, that wasn't the "FAT LADY" singing, it was "JOHN MCCAIN"
Well, it appears that Clinton has lost the fight. The math bar h as been raised. Obama led over her to date by near 200 delegates. Clinton's math has been raised also. Clinton is low on Superdelegates also and the next 3 states will not garner her much of a lift either, being the total to glean in ALL will be 86 and will be split in some manner between Obama and Clinton. I think like they say, that's all she wrote. I believe without a doubt, Clinton will not be the nominee. She is pushing the envelope for all it is worth but it will be futile when all is said and one.
By gosh, I think we have heard the fat lady just sing!
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Wake up, that wasn't the "FAT LADY" singing, it was "JOHN MCCAIN"
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(0) OhReally
5:31PM May 28th 2008
Be sure to tell the DNC boys what you think of them when you get their latest fund-raising appeal. They are broke I hear.
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