Swiftboating McCain Pt. 2

While on a campaign trip to Pittsburgh this spring, John McCain told the media that when his North Vietnamese captors asked him for the names of the members of his squardron, he gave them them names of the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive line. This is unlikely since in 1967 nobody knew the names of the Steelers defensive line, including residents of Pittsburgh (the Steelers won their first Super Bowl in January, 1975). In his book recounting his captivity, however,McCain said that he gave the Communists the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive unit. This demonstates the McCain is not above embellishing stories of his POW days for political advantage(in this example scoring points with Pittsburgh Steeler fans).

And, of course, we know that McCain broadcast anti-American propaganda at the behest of his Communist captors. McCain may have undergone what George
W. Bush likes to all "rough interrogation techniques" at the hands of his captors, but so did most other POWs and the majority did not cooperate with the Communists. McCain did. Call it "swiftboating" if you wish, but it is the truth.

is this a joke? you know swindle is a repub LOBBYIST right? and 3 christmases as a pow were recounted in 1995. just like the prior 20,000 word report NO MENTION. 25 years and not once.

he's either
1. a liar
2. senile and pulling a reagan confabulation

there's already strong evidence BOTH labels apply from prior behavior. how is that not relevant??

Dave, I will attest that you have been consistent in all of this. However, take a look at the first comment and then tell us we don't need to be suspicious of McCains statements on this. It stinks and this guy has proven that he will sell all he has got for this one last shoe at the presidency.
McCain has people write his books? I had assumed he had help but it seems they were entirely ghost written. That's a bit of a disappointment.

That should be 'shot at the presidency'. If I had shoes like McCains, I'd keep 'em!

and if you want REAL wiitnesses, google 'songbird mccain'. i'm sure you'll enjoy the results.

mccain's a turd and his (nonlobbying) fellow pows have all said it.

"It's beyond brazen, and it's beyond hypocritical and they should be called on it."
No, no, no and no! After all of the attacks Obama has endured, from being a hitler to the anti christ we need to back up and re-think that. As long as you are fair I will not hesitate to point that out but you know the McCain attacks are Rovian and beneath contempt. Certainly beneath you to defend them.

I've gone on record here as admitting that Obama was awful on religion night and McCain fared much better than him with the 'cross in the sand' story. Obama needs to take his lumps for that and learn. The first thing he needs to do is fire any staffer who tells him he did a good job. That being said, there are serious questions raised about the cross story and just because he got one guy to back him up does not make it fact. What's this guys history? A bud of Bud Day, maybe? Let's all find out together, shall we?

Swindle is not telling the truth.

Politco ran a story about McCain's cross story April the 4th 2008 and Swindle was specifically interviewed on the story.

“I don’t recall us talking specifically about our faith,” says Orson Swindle, one of McCain’s closest friends and a fellow POW. “We talked about our friends, families, our resistance posture, and that our country didn’t seem to have the will to win.”

Belief in a higher power helped them survive the routine torture and daily indignities, Swindle says.

“It would help us endure what we had to endure. But we knew God wasn’t going to come down and wave a magic wand.”

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=1372E056-3048-5C12-00A06112B1C61A64

McCain is going to have to do better than Swindle on this one.

dave....I feel your turning...I believe you caught the conservative bug....I have, and I can't believe it...the fact, that I will be voting for a republican just literally blows my shit away, especially after what I saw what the republicans did to kerry and what our president has done to this country...for whatever reason, I have agreed with most of your postings...good work

joedever60

This is not a "swift boat".

Did you not read my post? Swindle is not telling the truth, the record proves it.

Dave, can you tell me the truth about "songbird" and the subsequent attempted suicide? Was that all made up? Or is it the truth?

Dave, can you inform us about "neoliberalism? And how a couple key supreme court appointments would carve that philosophy into stone forever? I'd like to know the truth about that too?

Obama knew the ‘three most important people’ question and the best he could come up with was my wife, my grandmother, and Teddy Kennedy? Does that guy have beans for brains?

He hem-hawed around the question on abortion and did his usual "uh-uh-uh-uh" routine on others --- thereby, wasting lots of valuable time.

Here's the point regarding the Saddleback event:

If McCain can take these questions and tailor his answers perfectly to the base, then he has proven himself to be able to respond without a teleprompter.

This was a question and answer discussion --- not a stump speech.

McCain can perform on his feet --- unlike Obama, who needs 300 advisors, a pre-scripted speech, a teleprompter and a bunch of 'foreigners' in the audience (remember his world tour)! Why won’t he do town-hall meetings with McCain in rural America? Let us ask the questions!

VOTE FOR THE HONORABLE JOHN McCAIN IN NOVEMBER!

I haven't followed the line backers or the cross stories, but picking up a GOP smear 1st used against Senator McCain in 2000- and running with it now "as purported followers of Senator Obama", makes you no less cowardly than the Bush&Co. slime machine.

Did you all believe in the "Swift Boat Veterans for UNtruth" too?

You don't have to be a member of either party to stand up and speak out against the DISRESPECT of the service to our country by our American Soldiers and Veterans!! I'm neither proMcCain nor antiObama nor do I pretend to know what went on in the POW camps or on the Gunships during the Vietnam War; but those who go around spreading "the whisper smears" DON'T know either.

The majority of the "Swift Boaters" never even SERVED on a swift boat, let alone with Senator Kerry when he served in Nam!! Yet, that is the ilk of those who "cast asperations for whatever purposes" AND those who pick them up & run with them are no less guilty of regurgitating common 2nd hand gossip....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/293/

from PolitiFact Pants-on-Fire Lies:

"NO EVIDENCE MCCAIN WAS A TRAITOR"

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain on Tuesday, January 15th, 2008 in a flyer sent to news organizations in South Carolina...

In an echo of the attacks from the 2000 South Carolina primary that dealt a critical blow to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, a new flyer says the Arizona senator is a traitor.

It says that when he was a POW, McCain was a "Hanoi Hilton songbird" who collaborated with the enemy.

But it provides scant evidence to back up this claim and it is strongly contradicted by many other accounts reviewed by PolitiFact: interviews with other POWs, an author who has written a McCain biography and the senator's own accounts.


~~~~ Believe those who ACTUALLY SERVED with Kerry and McCain -or go ahead and believe those who may have a personal ax to grind ... But at least be INFORMED voters and don't blindly believe absolutely everything you see on the internet.

you probably excitedly open those e-mails congratulating you on winning the Nigerian lottery too :(

Obama thought that because the media gave him a free ride and Hillary went easy on him that the Republicans would do the same.

Barry Soetoro (Barack Hussein Obama) thought that he could re-write history and wipe the slate clean of his past life and associations. That misjudgment alone is enough to give anyone serious concerns about his ability to be president.

It should also raise questions about the character of a charlatan who lies so easily to suit himself, and lashes out at all who would question him.

Again, if the book, “Obama Nation”, is libelous the Harvard lawyer should pull out his team of lawyers and sue --- he was quick enough to use them to disenfranchise the voters of Florida and Michigan --- NOW, HE WANTS FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN TO COUNT!

Obama needs to either put up or shut up. He has based his entire campaign on lies.

VOTE FOR THE HONORABLE JOHN McCAIN IN NOVEMBER!

WHY DOESN’T BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ADDRESS THAT FOREIGNERS COMING TO THIS COUNTRY LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH --- INSTEAD OF TELLING AMERICANS TO LEARN SPANISH?

How much is being spent in political announcements (and other communication) to show Spanish, as well as our English language? Spanish people living in the USA are 40 million strong --- how many are illegal?
Why are we changing to meet their demands? THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.

IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF OBAMA IS ELECTED.

Will he demand that the whole country is compelled to pay to imprint their communications with other languages?

Will this include: middle-Eastern Muslim countries, the 51 African Nations’ dialects (whose dialects are in accordance with every one of their regions and tribal chieftains), Haitian, etc.?

The cost to the taxpayers in the USA would be of staggering proportions! Just remember: Obama said in Berlin Germany that: “this is the moment that we ALL have been waiting for”. If he wants to be “president of the World --- he needs to go to the UN.

This man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He cannot be trusted.

McCain in November!

One by one, Obama has systematically dropped nearly all of his Chicago political friends and associations, in what has become a pattern of lying about or otherwise intentionally misrepresenting these Chicago relationships.

One by one, Obama has claimed he is disappointed by what he has learned about these former associates, and has asserted that what they represent about the past is not who he is today.

One by one, Obama reveals himself to be just another politician calculating expediency.

The problem is that Obama sought out his relationships with the Alinsky organization, the radical bombers Ayers-Dohrn, the scandal ridden Rezko, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and black liberation theology, and Farrakhan and the Black Muslims. At the time he wanted these ties! NOW, he want all of American to believe in him!???

He has lost all credibility and cannot be trusted.

I’m voting for John McCain in November.

Obama is the perfect example of the classic politician, (of the worst kind) with the media’s full support. The media has turned a blind eye, to him, because, he is BLACK. HUH??? I thought he was “bi-racial”. His birth-mother was white.

OBAMA COULD BUTCHER A KITTEN ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN AND HIS FOLLOWERS, ALONG WITH THE BIASED MEDIA, WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A GOOD THING.

The media just may elect him, a man with no credentials for the position. The media and the far left, will say, we finally have a black president. America is not a racist nation, see.

America --- the new symbol for hypocrisy.

VOTE McCAIN IN 2008 --- HILLARY IN 2012.

Experience DOES Matter!

Obama may be YOUR dream --- but he's MY nightmare! Russia calls him a puppet. This is not the time to put into office a man who is viewed as weak by Russia.

Yes, America does deserve a change, but it does not start with electing a very inexperienced person to hold the office of the President of the United States. We must get rid of all the dead weight in Congress and work from there. Everyone blames the President of the United States in which he has no control other than veto power. Congress enacts the laws. The President does not.

I remember when the new Democratic Congress took over, in 2004, with Pelosi in charge and they promised change and as far as I can see --- no improvements have been made, other than a lot of bickering and stubbornness. When are they going to realize they work for the people --- the people do not work for them.

The Government should stay out of its citizen's lives and do their jobs which are to protect and serve the American People. Personally, I don't care if you want to smoke, drink, eat, pray, have an abortion, say the pledge of allegiance, read the bible, practice your religion, have a gay lifestyle or whatever floats your boats, it is none of my business, and certainly not the business of the Government on any level.

A lot of Americans today are whiners, everything offends them, the Government appeases them, makes a law, guess what, just because you whined and the Government listened, now you have offended someone else. It is a chain reaction. You take away a freedom and guess what, little by little they are all taken away. Some people are never happy no matter what!

This type of action by the Government wastes so much time, money and takes away from the more important aspects such as the quality of life in America.

People need to start taking responsibility for themselves and their families. In America you need to most importantly obtain all the education that you can and work hard, all opportunities are there, you just need to take the initiative to act on them. We have to stop creating a country of unproductive takers. Nothing in life is free, maybe for you, but someone has to pay and it is not fair that a certain number of Americans have to carry so many unproductive in society. Take pride in yourself and your Country and you will be much happier for it. My grandmother had a saying which translated in English (for those of you who do not speak the language, too bad, your loss) God helps those who help themselves and you know it is absolutely right. (sure hope the God police don't read this, I'll be in big trouble lol).

My grandparents came to America in hopes of a better life and guess what, they worked hard and they got what they wanted. REMEMBER YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. They learned English and assimilated to the American way. I can tell you that their first stop in America was not the welfare office either. They were very proud Americans and have taught us all that you do not take handouts. If you want something, you must work for it.

I too have lost several members of my family to war, our family is very proud of them and we are not angry with the President or anyone else for that fact. You have to remember that when you sign on the dotted line to become part of the military in America, you must understand that there is always a possibility that you may be asked to go to war. It is a job that you selected and you must understand it is your job whether America is at peace or it is involved in a war. My prayers and a big heartfelt thank you go out to all our soldiers serving in our military so that we as American's can enjoy our freedom. Also a special thank you to their families who are also making a big sacrifice.

Wake up people and take responsibility for yourselves. It is not my responsibility, not the responsibility of the taxpayers and certainly not the responsibility of the Government to make you happy, healthy and a success in life. Happiness comes from within. There are no excuses for your failure other than you failed yourself. Place the blame where the blame lies and stop passing it onto other people. Stop taking the easy road.

As far as this election goes, make an intelligent and educated decision as to what is best for you and your family. Do the research and make an informative decision based on what is best for you and America as a whole. Since the beginning of this election, the media has pitted man against women and vice-versa, black against white and vice-versa and back to the usual, democrat against republican and vice-versa, cat against dog etc. I think they love every minute of this and we are all players in their game. All for ratings and their own personal gain. They are playing us all and very well.

PERSONALLY, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. He does not have what it takes to lead, he has what it takes to divide.

Don't know what the democratic party was thinking, or were they thinking. Wait, before you call me a racist, just want to let you know, that if Condi Rice or Colin Powell were running, I would vote for them in a heartbeat. They have a proven, long-term record.

United we stand divided we fall. God Bless the USA!!!!

We have reached the point where everything you conjure up from here on will pale in comparison to Obama's bags of tricks. There just isn't anything that can be said that would make Obama be what he IS NOT; presidential material.

Dave's political bias for Obama is evident in all of his articles. Look at the poll for Saddleback to see how they differ from his conclusions.