People took to the streets throughout the U.S. last weekend to protest passage of California's Proposition 8 - which bans same-sex marriage.
Protests were held from California to Nevada, to even North Carolina, with gay-rights activists arguing that gay couples deserve the same marital rights and recognition that heterosexual couples enjoy. But some of the protests are getting downright nasty, and, by some reports, are turning into sheer anarchy.
There are reports (Chuck Norris has a little list) that: Prop 8 protestors in California shoved a 69-year-old woman who was bearing a cross, spit on her, and stomped on the cross; Prop. 8 supporter Jose Nunez, 37, was assaulted while distributing yard signs to other supporters after church services at the St. Stanislaus Parish in Modesto, Calif.; a 25-year Mormon artistic director of the California Musical Theatre was forced to resign because of his $1,000 donation to the campaign to pass Prop 8; and non-Latter Day Saints Hispanic women were beaten up for cleaning up vandalism at an LDS temple. (The Mormon Church, by the way, rounded up about $20 million to spend on getting Prop 8 passed.)
"They began grabbing me. It was like a dog pack," said Phyllis Burgess, a Prop 8 supporter who had expletives and slurs yelled at her. "The crowd was very angry that someone was here that they felt didn't belong here ... But I've lived in this city for 30 years."
The video shows one protester grabbing the styrofoam cross from Burgess' hands. Another protesters is shown stomping on it. Burgess says she was struck on the head and spit on.
"I don't want to keep it peaceful anymore," one protester yelled. "We should fight! We should fight!"
The area's Calvary Chapel Chino Hills was spray painted by vandals after they learned that the church served as an official collection point for Prop. 8 petitions.
African Americans, 70% of whom voted yes on Prop. 8, according to a CNN exit poll, are also targets of the gay hate. Racial epithets have been used against African Americans at protests in California - with some even directed at blacks who are fighting to repeal Prop. 8. Gay rights activists are now publishing lists online exposing individuals and organizations that have donated money in support of Prop. 8. This is sometimes resulting in violence.
And by many accounts, these actions are turning more people off to the movement.
For example: one LA Weekly writer who was marching with the Proposition 8 opponents over the weekend says: "I can also see that we are quickly coming to a point where reckless protesting may turn off all kinds of people, whether they are gay and new to activism or they are straight and new to walking alongside gay activists. If that happens, we will miss the chance to build newer, stronger, and broader coalitions and movements for decades to come. We will need these coalitions because the fight for equality is far from over, and our opponents will continue to attack one way or another. We, the gay community, can go our own way, but we will probably squander the goodwill that Proposition 8 has now handed us." Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic argues that the gay-rights movement is lacking a strong leader to rally the troops in productive ways, and that the Human Rights Campaign certainly isn't doing the job. Daily Kos says the organization to defeat Prop 8 just wasn't there.
Regardless of the reason for Prop 8's success, the conclusion is: the voters of California have spoken - for better or worse.
Does berating a near-elderly woman who supports Prop 8, and spitting on her for having beliefs different than you, help the cause? I don't think so. Yes, there's frustration, but funneling that frustration into more productive, effective methods of pushing your cause will do a lot more good than just further alienating those whose support you could use. If the idea is to encourage others to be more open-minded and accepting of those different from them, beating them into submission (metaphorically speaking, hopefully) might not be the best route.
Liza Porteus Viana has been a political journalist for almost 10 years, both in Washington and New York. She loves politics - the smell of it, the sport of it...more
As a Lesbian, I believe that my partner and I should have the right to marry if we so choose. However, I am appalled at some of the actions of the Prop 8 protesters. Violence will get us no where. Those who act in such a manner, do nothing for the cause and should be ashamed of themselves.
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RIChris
12:36PM Nov 18th 2008
The belief was that if you didn't vote for Obama, you were a racist. The belief now is, if you didn't support gay marriage, you are a bigot and a homophobe. These are the same people who voted for Obama. See the similarities?
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Angiebaby
12:45PM Nov 18th 2008
How is vigilante violence going to effect this cause? Beating people, vandalizing churches and racial persecution never have, and never will, bring a positive solution to any problem.
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TRogers
12:47PM Nov 18th 2008
Hmmm....so you're saying when Evangelicals bomb abortion clinics, harass physicians and disrupt the funerals of gay soldiers, thats okay. When Churches use their members donations to play politics in violation of every American law and tradition going back to Jefferson, that is okay.
But when Gay and Lesbian Americans exercise their Constitutional right to protest that's Anarchy..?
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Dave
12:52PM Nov 18th 2008
Homosexuals have always been a very angry group of people.
I guess if I was a homo I'd be pissed off too.
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kim
1:00PM Nov 18th 2008
I didn't see anyone 'attacking' the news crew!.. What a bunch of babies...
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Graceful10
1:01PM Nov 18th 2008
As an African-American I TRULY WISH THAT HOMOSEXUALS WOULD STOP COMPARING THEIR STRUGGLE TO CIVIL RIGHTS!
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Graceful10
1:01PM Nov 18th 2008
As an African-American woman I truly wish that homosexuals would stop comparing their struggle for a NON-POLITICAL ISSUE to the struggle for civil rights... IT'S NOT THE SAME. Violent homosexuals sounds like Sodom and Gomorah.
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Connie
1:02PM Nov 18th 2008
Just wait until all those ILLEGALS protest for their rights Jan 21 in Washington!
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cliff
1:07PM Nov 18th 2008
I'm 63 years old, and my mothers brother is somewhat of a queer. He used to get us youg boys when we were around 12 to 13 and Jack us off. When we were older and told my mom about her brother, she was sick. She asked my brother who is a couple of years older than I am, why he let him do it. My brother answered it was just like flying a plane on Auto Pilot. I guess you can figure both my brother and I are Pilots, and happily married to Females.
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reidgator
1:09PM Nov 18th 2008
To the supporters of gay rights: be very careful. Your use of violence may incite others who disagree with other outcomes of this election. Can those who disagree with Obama as president use violence? Some of them may be declraing "We should fight!" Hw about por-life supporters? Can they use violence?
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jewelofthesea16
1:10PM Nov 18th 2008
i don't really support prop 8 and i understand how angry they are and they want to be treated equal as heterosexual couples but come on, hit a old lady and other people for not supporting prop 8? that's beyond immature. violence WILL never solve anything. seriously, get your act together and don't be stupid.
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gjb
1:13PM Nov 18th 2008
In this country people can believe in what they want to believe in without fear of reprisal. It doesn't matter if you are for or against gay rights. I am shocked by what I am seeing. It sound as if the gay rights group are not accepting what the majority of the people voted on. If we can work government to accept what the minority wants instead of the majority, I want McCain elected as president. I think I will start a riot for that.
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BH
1:16PM Nov 18th 2008
klbeck12:30PMNov 18th 2008
As a Lesbian, I believe that my partner and I should have the right to marry if we so choose. However, I am appalled at some of the actions of the Prop 8 protesters. Violence will get us no where. Those who act in such a manner, do nothing for the cause and should be ashamed of themselves ****The cause? What is the cause? Is it to turn our civilization into a dmonic III world country? God has set up laws and iit's time our country began to inforce the laws. Marriage has always been recoginized to be between a man and woman. Your cause is evil and children are watching. But more important, God is watching!. Turn from you sin and turn to God and He will deliver you and set you free.
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Truth Man
1:19PM Nov 18th 2008
Marriage is between one man and one woman. Thomas Jefferson never envisioned a bunch of queers demanding we change the definition of marriage.
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darcie23l
1:20PM Nov 18th 2008
First to TRogers, you're clearly the same type of scum that's out there assaulting people (an elderly woman!!) and vandalizing property. There is no excuse for your behavior; it's not protesting, it's assault and vandalism. Most people, even those who rightly supported Prop. 8 would have no objection to protesting.
Secondly I agree with the African American posters who have expressed displeasure at this being compared in any way to the civil rights movement. There is no comparison. Homosexuals have the same rights everyone else does that wasn't always the case for minorities, especially African Americans. This isn't a demand for the same rights but for special rights.
I hope a version of Prop 8 gets passed in every state.
As for the illegal’s, I hope they round up every one of them that has the gall to protest. Their criminals and should sit in prison until they're deported.
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mary
1:20PM Nov 18th 2008
Militant fairies.... who knew?
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Rob
1:21PM Nov 18th 2008
Below is the reason why the LGBT community is angry about the continueed inequality and inaction by the majority to help protect them and their loved ones. Continued promotion of inequallity and suppression leads to continued hate crimes and lynchings:
Marriage equality activists are outraged at the murder of Moses "Teish" Cannon, 22, who was shot and killed Friday night for being openly gay, according to local authorities in Syracuse, New York. The alleged shooter, Dwight R. DeLee, 20, has been charged with second degree murder.
"The senseless killing of Moses "Teish" Cannon is a clear example of why we need to redouble our efforts on education and awareness to ending hate violence against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people," said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. "We commend the Syracuse Police Department for its swift action and investigating this as a crime of hate. Hate crimes rend the fabric of our society and fragment communities because they target a group and not just the individual victim. The purpose of our government, first and foremost, is to protect all of our citizens — whether they are black, disabled, Christian or gay."
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BH
1:21PM Nov 18th 2008
Enough is enough, if you want to live in sin in the privacy of your own house, so be it, but don't try to force it on our children, which you are doing in the schools now, and on decent human beings. There is good and evil even though the liberals are doing everything they can to turn our nation into something evil. The blood of the unborn is on your hands and God hears that blood crying out to Him for vengeance. Yes, he is a God of love,but He also is a God of judment. Americans need to rise up and stop this before it's too late.
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me
1:21PM Nov 18th 2008
I am not gay but voted yes on Prop 8. Violent protestings will not gain a thing. They will only confirm what many already believe. You're going to screw things up for yourselves.