One of my favorite Republicans, Mike Huckabee, is kinda putting his foot in it a little. Or a lot. From Towleroad.com:
Said Huckabee: "People who are homosexuals should have every right in terms of their civil rights, to be employed, to do anything they want. But that's not really the issue. I know you talked about it and I think you got into it a little bit early on. But when we're talking about a redefinition of an institution, that's different than individual civil rights. We're never going to convince each other...But here is the difference. Bull Connor was hosing people down in the streets of Alabama. John Lewis got his skull cracked on the Selma bridge."
No doubt Harvey Milk, Matthew Shepard, Teish Cannon, and the thousands of other victims of anti-gay hate crimes would beg to differ, if they could. As Think Progress notes, "Huckabee's lame violence threshold is nothing more than a shoddy attempt to conceal his deep and fundamental homophobia."
This is evidence that "one of my favorite Republicans" is a pretty low bar. Throughout this campaign, I have liked Huckabee's sense of humor and populist bent, but his attitudes on things like this are absolute dealbreakers. When they are just products of his (wrong) religious beliefs, I can almost overlook them and say, "Well, besides that, he's a decent guy."
This, however, is a product of willful ignorance. First of all, the premise is absurd. A civil rights struggle is only validated by the violence of its opposition? By Huckabee's reckoning, gay rights are not as valid as Palestinians'. That's a strange position for a Republican to take.
Of course, even granting his premise, he's wrong. Although not approaching the level and intensity of the black civil rights struggle, gay people have endured violence and murder in their struggle for equality. I didn't think Huckabee was the kind of guy to insist on more of this before he'll recognize the rights of gay Americans.
I grew to like Huckabee during the GOP debates, when he refused to take the bait on immigration, and instead offered an impassioned defense of a scholarship program for children of illegal immigrants. It's too bad his innate sense of fairness is shielded by his devotion to religious dogma. While researching this story, I found that this is nothing new for Huck. How disappointing.
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mahalapril
1:53PM Nov 19th 2008
These gays and lesbians are pushing their luck. We tolerate gay and lesbian civil unions but never marriage. How dare they protest and impose gay and lesbian marriage on the majority. They know and willing to destroy the American family values, the future of our children and grandchildren ,all these just for their own selfish interests. They should know that if they find the marriage between people and animals repulsive that is the same feeling we have towards gay and lesbian.So accept civil unions. You should consider yourself lucky because in some countries they will still beat or kill gays and lesbians.
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Bas
2:07PM Nov 19th 2008
mahalapril1:53PMNov 19th 2008
These gays and lesbians are pushing their luck. We tolerate gay and lesbian civil unions but never marriage. How dare they protest and impose gay and lesbian marriage on the majority. They know and willing to destroy the American family values, the future of our children and grandchildren ,all these just for their own selfish interests. --------------------------- Just out of curiosity, how is gay marriage 'imposing' on the majority? Is it somehow going to make my own marriage null and void? Would all straight people be forced to marry someone of the same sex? Family values are instilled in your family by your parents - how can anyone outside your family 'destroy' them? Making the comparison between people and animals is the same kind of argument that people used to use to justify slavery and later to justify the banning of interracial marriage.
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bob
2:29PM Nov 19th 2008
good reply bas.someone made a comment"They know and willing to destroy the American family values, the future of our children and grandchildren"well someday down the line you'll have a gay in your american family. if you dont like gay weddings don't go to the wedding.
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RP - IL
2:35PM Nov 19th 2008
mahalapril1:53PMNov 19th 2008
These gays and lesbians are pushing their luck. We tolerate gay and lesbian civil unions but never marriage. How dare they protest and impose gay and lesbian marriage on the majority. They know and willing to destroy the American family values, the future of our children and grandchildren ,all these just for their own selfish interests. They should know that if they find the marriage between people and animals repulsive that is the same feeling we have towards gay and lesbian.So accept civil unions. You should consider yourself lucky because in some countries they will still beat or kill gays and lesbians. #####################################################
Fifty years ago, mahalaprill would have been screaming, "how dare blacks push interracial marriage!" How dare hispanics marry those pure aryan white girls!"
In some ways, America has come a long way. In other ways, Americans haven't come far at all.
I wonder how a gay marriage could possibly inconvenience mahaparill in any way. I guess forcing others to do things or having power to keep others from things gives small people a way to feel more important.
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Robert
2:49PM Nov 19th 2008
It's time for normal people to start fighting back against these faggot freaks of nature. Marriage is between one man and one woman. What's it going to take to make these blockheaded pansies understand that they're not normal and that they should be locked up in a mental ward.
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PCL
2:58PM Nov 19th 2008
Robert2:49PMNov 19th 2008 It's time for normal people to start fighting back against these faggot freaks of nature. Marriage is between one man and one woman. What's it going to take to make these blockheaded pansies understand that they're not normal and that they should be locked up in a mental ward. ---------------------------------------------------------- Spoken like a true asshole that doesn't understand the difference between choice and biology.
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David S.
3:21PM Nov 19th 2008
Oh yeah, this is nothing new. Mike Huckabee tries - like Sarah Palin - to turn on the folksy charm and hope that alone will carry them. But both have much in common - both are hard liners on abortion and gay rights issues. Both Huckabee and Palin have all but called for the criminalizing of abortion - we all know gays cannot be far behind. Which is why neither of them will ever be President. Hard liners can try to move to the middle, but inevitably they open their mouths - hence Huckabee's stupid remark. And Palin - well, we all know her story.
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PCL
3:24PM Nov 19th 2008
David S.3:21PMNov 19th 2008 Oh yeah, this is nothing new. Mike Huckabee tries - like Sarah Palin - to turn on the folksy charm and hope that alone will carry them. But both have much in common - both are hard liners on abortion and gay rights issues. Both Huckabee and Palin have all but called for the criminalizing of abortion - we all know gays cannot be far behind. Which is why neither of them will ever be President. Hard liners can try to move to the middle, but inevitably they open their mouths - hence Huckabee's stupid remark. And Palin - well, we all know her story. -------------------------------------------------------- I hope you are right--Palin's voice is like nails on the chalkboard for me.
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John
3:36PM Nov 19th 2008
Robert2:49PMNov 19th 2008
It's time for normal people to start fighting back against these faggot freaks of nature. Marriage is between one man and one woman. What's it going to take to make these blockheaded pansies understand that they're not normal and that they should be locked up in a mental ward.
What's the matter, Robert? No one checking you out in the locker room? What did your wife get on her wedding day? A sympathy card and a magnifying glass? You seem to be obsessing a lot about what men do with their penises. Sounds quite gay to me.
John in Philadelphia
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R. S. Wentworth
3:47PM Nov 19th 2008
The institution of marriage as the union between a man and a woman comes from the understanding of the concept created by religious premisses. Consequently for the United States government to support a ban on same sex marriage is also to support religious beliefs. While it could be said, and is true, that the majority of religions do support a heterosexual marriage not all do for example atheism, and to suppress the religious views of any group violates the constitutionally dictated law that the government shall not support any religion. Consequently for the united states government to ban same sex marriage is a violation of the constitution. This is of course a slippery slope, because so much of society is defined subtly by peoples religious practices. For example, the Mormon belief allowing polygamy would also have to be accepted.
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R. S. Wentworth
3:48PM Nov 19th 2008
To the Author:
You state, "When they are just products of his (wrong) religious beliefs, I can almost overlook them and say, 'Well, besides that, he's a decent guy.' " I think your assertion that some one can have incorrect religious beliefs is just as preposterous and discriminatory as the banning of gay marriage. No religion can be proven, and no religion can be disprove, so the Senator cannot have "wrong religious beliefs." Also, the syntax of that statement is horrendous.
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Kevin
3:59PM Nov 19th 2008
mahalapril1:53PMNov 19th 2008 These gays and lesbians are pushing their luck. We tolerate gay and lesbian civil unions but never marriage. How dare they protest and impose gay and lesbian marriage on the majority. They know and willing to destroy the American family values, the future of our children and grandchildren ,all these just for their own selfish interests. They should know that if they find the marriage between people and animals repulsive that is the same feeling we have towards gay and lesbian.So accept civil unions. You should consider yourself lucky because in some countries they will still beat or kill gays and lesbians. ARE YOU A COMPLETE ASSHOLE, or JUST A PART TIME ASSHOLE? DIVORCE destroys a marriage, not a Gay Marriage. Gays truly choose their life partners. Str8s do from time to time, but like Sarah Palin's daughter, sometimes (a lot of the time) it's a mistake that causes the marriage. Pull your head out of your ass and grow up!
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mr.Jim
4:32PM Nov 19th 2008
Queers.... who can figure them out? They want to be called "gay". Gay is not the word for it. One guy have sex with another guy is sick! The correct term is queer so get used to it, stop complaining. If you stop having sex with men then I'll stop using the correct term, queer! Please. If you drink alcohol until you are drunk, you are an alcoholic. If you take drugs to get high, you are a drug user and if you have some guy stuck up your butt, YOU ARE QUEER, NOT GAY! Duhhhhhhhhh
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Lori
5:11PM Nov 19th 2008
It seems to me that this whole thing about same sex marriage boils down to the use of the word "marriage". From what I can figure, the word marriage comes from the bible and refers to a union between a man & woman and until recently the meaning of this word has never been challenged. So to me the word marriage means for a man & woman to unite together. However, that does not mean that I do not think people of the same sex should not also be allowed to unite. I just can't understand why same sex partners don't come up with a word of their own that would define a union between people of the same sex. Whatever that word turned out to be would mean a union between two people of the same sex and would have 100% of the benifits and recognition that a marriage has between a man & women. Nothing should stop any one from living their life with the person of thier choice. It shouldn't matter if the people are of different gender or the same gender. So the outcome would be two different words, both meaning a union between two people. "marriage" - A union between 2 people of opposite gender & "XXXXX" - A union between 2 people of the same gender. I seriously don't think anyone would object to same sex unions if a different word other than "marriage" was used. I may be way off base here but I can't figure out why there is so much controversy over this issue.
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Charlie
5:28PM Nov 19th 2008
Lori....Your statement that the word marriage comes from the Bible might be a little misleading. I believe that the English word "marriage" means to join together. In naval terms you can marry two ropes. That is....bind them together. The ropes don't have to be a male and a female rope to be married together.
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Splash
5:34PM Nov 19th 2008
Robert2:49PMNov 19th 2008 It's time for normal people to start fighting back against these faggot freaks of nature. Marriage is between one man and one woman. What's it going to take to make these blockheaded pansies understand that they're not normal and that they should be locked up in a mental ward. ______________________________
Robert -
If you are normal, may I forever remain insane.
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Splash
5:51PM Nov 19th 2008
Lori5:11PMNov 19th 2008
It seems to me that this whole thing about same sex marriage boils down to the use of the word "marriage". From what I can figure, the word marriage comes from the bible and refers to a union between a man & woman and until recently the meaning of this word has never been challenged. ________________________________
Although I don't know of instances of "marriage" outside the man/woman relationship, I can tell you that marriage existed long before the bible. Oriental and Arab cultures have been practicing arranged unions as early as 3500 years ago; some still do today.
There is evidence that many cultures developed their own "union" type relations to mark life long partnerships before those different cultures even had the ability to make contact with one another. This kills your notion that "marriage" was born of any one culture, bible or otherwise. For example, Native Americans practiced marriage long before their contact with Christian Europe.
The idea that marriage was born given to man by Yahweh is a closed minded idea of the rather finite Christian world.
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don
6:42PM Nov 19th 2008
All I have to say is that gay people have been fighting for their rights since before the Civil Rights movement began. They are not latching on to that movement...but creating their own civil right movement. As for this argument over the word "marriage"..no one has convinced me that it would in any way would it effect straight married couples. Maybe some striaght people should work on their own marriages and stay out of the lives of other people. Also, for those who feel gays have not suffered...look up Stonewall Riots, or Matthew Shepard, or Sean Kennedy...people who were murdered just because people thought they were gay. This old argument about what the bible says is getting old. Start clinging to that bible 100% if you want to take a few lines and try and justify being a bigot. And finally...the Gay Rights Movement never..never...asked for marriage. This fight started over the word when straight, bigoted lawmakers used this term to try and scare voters to deny individual rights for gays and lesbians. They wanted you to think the worse and it worked. I think we should all stay out of our nieghbors lives and work on making ours better...also from the bible is love thy nieghbor.P.S. God, nor Jesus over spoke out against homosexuals.