It's Jerry Brown vs. Ken Starr for the Fate of Gay Marriage

Brown and Starr to gay marry one another to settle this case once and for all


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starr kinda looks like if he ain't he missed a good chance. jerry not so much. he's a hetero hoser from way back.

Both of them are poor representatives of this issue.

The voters have made their choice, Brown should honor their choice.

sal5:46PMDec 20th 2008

The voters have made their choice, Brown should honor their choice.

Brown: "the amendment process cannot be used to extinguish fundamental constitutional rights without compelling justification."
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Actually, the amendment process is the only way to extinguish fundamental constitutional rights regardless of compelling justification.

The only chance gays have here is an appeal th the US Supreme Court, which is where this is headed whether gays earn a reversal at the state level or not, since the US Constitution trumps all state constitutions.

It is not up to the voters to cancel US constitutional rights short of actually amending the US constitution. Thus the real question is: Are we protected by the US Constitution to marry whomever the fuck we want regardless of race, creed, national origin or sex?

So where in the constitution is the federal government granted the power to limit the parameters of the marriage relationship. I claim that it is not a power granted to the federal government and thus is reserved to the individual states and the people. This gives the State of California, a very liberal environment indeed, the right to propose, vote on, pass and enforce proposition 8 as an amendment to the California Constitution EVEN IF it tramples what some consider a fundamental constitutional right. It also grants the State of CA and its citizens the right to nullify marriages retroactively.

I don't think that the outcome of the Prop 8 vote was one that gays or their supporting cast expected, especially in their "safe zone", home of Pelosi, Boxer and the very Moderate Republican Terminator, especially at the hands of their fellow liberal groups that rely on Gays for support of their causes: Blacks and Hispanics. However, the people spoke and Prop 8 passed.

Prop 8 results may be thrown out at some point, overturning the will of Californians, as gay activists bounce the question from judge to judge in an attempt to reverse the shocking outcome. However, a court reversal does not mean that the will of the people was not where the question belonged and that right will, in all likelihood, be upheld by the US Supreme Court.

Then again, maybe not.

Have faith, my gay friends, for you live in California where anything can happen, even for you!

sal5:46PMDec 20th 2008

The voters have made their choice, Brown should honor their choice.
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sal -

Would you feel the same way about Ken Starr supporting the will of the people had Prop 8 not been passed by California's voters?

Just curious.

Storm clouds are gathering.

People keep talking about Marriage as a right....It is not. That is like saying that driving is a right. If you have to get a License to do it; it is not a right it is a privilege.

PCL6:24PMDec 20th 2008

Storm clouds are gathering.
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Stormy whether can yield a strategic advantage to a battle savvy warrior.

Did you mean 'weather' old wise one?

Oops, I forgot--young wise one.

Did anyone click on the "MareyCarey" thing? What a total sleazy woman. She literally represents much of exactly what's wrong with society today. Check it out.
Oh, and the people voted, the deal went down, so shut the F up and quit whinning about it. Why even go thru the process of voting on an issue if when the outcome isn't favored by the losing party, they just make it happen regardless? It's utter BS people.

lolabull:
Some fights are just truly the 'good fight'.

I wonder how people would feel if a national referendum were held and a majority of those voting voted to abolish the First Amendement to the U.S. Constitution.

PCL6:40PMDec 20th 2008

Did you mean 'weather' old wise one
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Oooo. Such undeserved reverence. Yep. weather.

PCL6:40PMDec 20th 2008

Oops, I forgot--young wise one.
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You had it more right the first time.

You really want to do this?

lolabull6:42PMDec 20th 2008

Why even go thru the process of voting on an issue if when the outcome isn't favored by the losing party, they just make it happen regardless?
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Maybe you should reserve that question for Al Franken, or now, Norm Coleman.Litigation is the American way. Deal with it.

lolabull6:42PMDec 20th 2008

Oh, and the people voted, the deal went down, so shut the F up and quit whinning about it.
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You don't really expect either side of this crowd to STFU or stop whining, do you?

If so, you must be a newcomer.

Ed Smith - come on, man comparing marriage and driving? Any two heterosexuals can get married, no driving test required - please do not tell me the likes of Britney Spears marrying some strange guy over a weekend is all about the sanctity of marriage. There are heterosexual folks who make a mockery of marriage - to say otherwise is a lie. But somehow a gay couple who have been together for decades are denied the right?
There is just something wrong with that.

THE VOTERS MADE THEIR CHOICE FOR OBAMA TOO.

HOW MANY OF YOU ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE PEOPLE ARE REFUSING TO HONOR THAT VOTE?

KEN STARR WAS THE KID IN SCHOOL WHO GOT PICKED ON.

NOW ITS PAY BACK FOR THE LITTLE SISSY WHO HAS SOME POWER TO MESS WITH PEOPLE.