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Dylan and Ethan RisAtheists and Christians United in Their Disapproval of Rick Warren
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12/22/08
Filed Under:Barack Obama, Religion, Joe Biden, 2008 President, Scandal, Healthcare, Gay Rights, Obama Administration
Barack Obama's pending inauguration has brought together Americans of all backgrounds and beliefs, proving that despite our many differences, we can all unite together under a common cause: Hating pastor Rick Warren.Warren's appointment as inauguration invocation-delivery boy has angered:
* Gay rights activists, who didn't appreciate the pastor comparing them to child-fondling incestuous polygamists.
* Health practitioners, who have scorned Warren since he awarded George W. Bush with an AIDS-conquering medal, despite knowing that Bush's "abstinence-only" mandate has actually increased unprotected sex in Africa.
* Harley riders, lumberjacks and relief pitchers, who are angry with Warren for making the Van Dyke goatee infinitely less bad-ass.
Now you can add atheists to the list of Warren haters. According to the LA Times, the Secular Coalition for America has written to Obama, calling Warren "intolerant" and asking:
"Who on your inaugural dias will express the viewpoints of not only the tens of millions of nontheistic Americans, but the majority of citizens who believe there is now too much religious influence in our politics and government?"
To answer your question, Secular Coalition for America, it certainly won't be Obama himself, who spoke openly at Warren's church about being saved by Christ. And it won't be Joe Biden, who wants America to know he was moved by a vision of a blue-collar, hard-scrabble Jesus in a Scranton, PA diner mere hours after his VP nomination.
But there are atheists available if Obama is interested. Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) immediately comes to mind. So does the late Robert Frost, who does pretty well at presidential inaugurations.
And then there's always Mitt Romney, who is technically a Mormon but will do literally anything to get on the stage at inauguration day. Being the ceremony's atheist representative would be a fitting finish to his election cycle of utter pandering.
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Dylan and Ethan Ris
Dylan and Ethan Ris are political humorists and veterans of Capitol Hill dating back to the mid '90s.
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Freddy Vicente
1:59PM Dec 22nd 2008
TOO BAD COWARDLY LIBS. MOST AMERICAN APPROVE OF WARREN. YOU LIBS LOSE AGAIN. TIME TO FOAM AT THE MOUTH IN ANGER AGAIN! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hoshi
2:03PM Dec 22nd 2008
Why or why is everyone allowed what they want, but Christians are to take a back seat. I believe in God, proudly believe in God. My voice is just as important as your's. I am an educated thinking woman. It is much harder to follow God on faith than to follow the world in wiping ourselves with all of our selfishness and greed. I am tired of being criticized because I believe in God.
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(0) Clif Kuplen
2:22PM Dec 22nd 2008
It is much harder to follow God on faith than to follow the world in wiping ourselves with all of our selfishness and greed.
xxx
christians are just as greedy and selfish and affected as anyone else. I presume they wipe themselves just like anyone else too, or we'd all know. It's what they practice that often stinks.
xxx
christians are just as greedy and selfish and affected as anyone else. I presume they wipe themselves just like anyone else too, or we'd all know. It's what they practice that often stinks.
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(0) dr jay
2:26PM Dec 22nd 2008
Someone on these blogs predicted an outcry from those on the "real" religious right who consider Warren (a) a commercialized poseur (unlike, say, Pat Robertson?), and/or (b) not "pure" enough because he endorses environmentalism and social justice as "Christian values." I haven't heard such an outcry yet, but then I don't really care and haven't really followed the "story." But in a blog titled "Atheists and Christians United ...," I would have expected some actual mention of Christians "qua Christians."
>But there are atheists available if Obama is interested. Rep.
>Pete Stark (D-CA) immediately comes to mind.
"[A] Unitarian who does not believe in a Supreme Being" puts him in the exalted company of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin. Sad how far we've fallen, that such beliefs (and/or lack thereof) are now political suicide outside Stark's Bay Area and other "People's Republics."
>So does the late Robert Frost, who does pretty well at
>presidential inaugurations.
But probably not so well at atheism. The quotation the authors link to, on some atheist website that seems to be trying to shoehorn everyone they possibly can into their Procrustean bed (mixed metaphor, I know).
>His Belief: "I turned to speak to God/About the world's
>despair;/But to make bad matters worse/I found God wasn't
>there."
That can mean a lot of things that are a far cry from atheism. E.g. God has abandoned us / doesn't care about our problems; or we as a culture have abandoned God / don't believe God cares about our problems. Frost certainly wrote enough other stuff about God to make this reader doubt his doubts.
If you really want an atheist, the late Douglas Adams might be a better choice. Or the current Sam Harris. Or just possibly, one of the actual scientists whom Obama has chosen among his Cabinet and other advisors. (Plenty of scientists, probably most of them, are believers in some way or other. But most wouldn't measure up to at least some Fundamentalists' standards; and I expect that a higher percentage are actually atheists than in most other professions.)
>But there are atheists available if Obama is interested. Rep.
>Pete Stark (D-CA) immediately comes to mind.
"[A] Unitarian who does not believe in a Supreme Being" puts him in the exalted company of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin. Sad how far we've fallen, that such beliefs (and/or lack thereof) are now political suicide outside Stark's Bay Area and other "People's Republics."
>So does the late Robert Frost, who does pretty well at
>presidential inaugurations.
But probably not so well at atheism. The quotation the authors link to, on some atheist website that seems to be trying to shoehorn everyone they possibly can into their Procrustean bed (mixed metaphor, I know).
>His Belief: "I turned to speak to God/About the world's
>despair;/But to make bad matters worse/I found God wasn't
>there."
That can mean a lot of things that are a far cry from atheism. E.g. God has abandoned us / doesn't care about our problems; or we as a culture have abandoned God / don't believe God cares about our problems. Frost certainly wrote enough other stuff about God to make this reader doubt his doubts.
If you really want an atheist, the late Douglas Adams might be a better choice. Or the current Sam Harris. Or just possibly, one of the actual scientists whom Obama has chosen among his Cabinet and other advisors. (Plenty of scientists, probably most of them, are believers in some way or other. But most wouldn't measure up to at least some Fundamentalists' standards; and I expect that a higher percentage are actually atheists than in most other professions.)
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(0) DD8V92
2:38PM Dec 22nd 2008
"Athiest's and Christians United Together"
Imagine that!!! Next we will hear that Anita Bryant and Rosie O'Donnell were seen having lunch together.
Imagine that!!! Next we will hear that Anita Bryant and Rosie O'Donnell were seen having lunch together.
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(0) dl
3:01PM Dec 22nd 2008
to the woman who says Christians have to take a back seat...
no they are not allowed to force others to the back seat...
in this country equality trumps religion.
otherwise we would be Iran.
this is a religious figure who has used every honor he has been given as a pastor to influence legislation against anyone who does not follow him as a pastor.
no they are not allowed to force others to the back seat...
in this country equality trumps religion.
otherwise we would be Iran.
this is a religious figure who has used every honor he has been given as a pastor to influence legislation against anyone who does not follow him as a pastor.
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(0) DD8V92
3:27PM Dec 22nd 2008
"GOD-GUNS-GUTS: HAVE KEPT THIS COUNTRY FREE FOR MANY YEARS, I DAMN SURE PLAN ON KEEPING ALL THREE. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANY QUEER OR ATHEST HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT!! HELL WILL FREEZE OVER BEFORE WE TAKE A BACK-SEAT. THERE IS A MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT OF COURSE THE NEWS MEDIA HAS NOT SHARED, TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK FROM THE THOSE WHO SEEK TO DESTROY HER!!! WE WILL SEE WHO TAKES A BACK SEAT.
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(0) Clif Kuplen
4:00PM Dec 22nd 2008
I DON'T CARE WHAT ANY QUEER OR ATHEST HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT!!
xxx
When one rips off your head and shits down your throat, you can have your mommy put it on your tombstone, sally.
xxx
When one rips off your head and shits down your throat, you can have your mommy put it on your tombstone, sally.
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(0) Clif Kuplen
4:05PM Dec 22nd 2008
It may be Obama's point re ranger rick. Consider:
If atheists and fundamentalists can come together in agreement that this guy is a giant douche, aren't there other things we can agree on too?
It's not a redneck america, it's not a blue steel throbber america, it's our fuckin' country!
If atheists and fundamentalists can come together in agreement that this guy is a giant douche, aren't there other things we can agree on too?
It's not a redneck america, it's not a blue steel throbber america, it's our fuckin' country!
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(0) remartantiques
4:35PM Dec 22nd 2008
Inaccurate and misleading headline and blog. Some do, most don't.
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(0) mahalapril
4:37PM Dec 22nd 2008
I nominate Rev. Wright.
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(0) dan wyatt
4:55PM Dec 22nd 2008
get a life. no wonder the world hates americans and finds us superficial and shallow. the p-elect has very right to choose who he wants in his party..and there will be quite a party in dc this next year. better yet..go find a job and go to work for something called america.
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(0) Ryan
5:09PM Dec 22nd 2008
Obama did good on his selection! Hopefully it is a start in the right direction! Of course the author of this story is an Idiot with the title "Atheists and Christians United" when I as a Christian support President-Elect Obama's decision to pick Rick Warren.
God Bless America!
Good to see ya on hear again Clif keep the punches rolling! Always good for a laugh... God Bless You!
God Bless America!
Good to see ya on hear again Clif keep the punches rolling! Always good for a laugh... God Bless You!
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(0) Hardy269
5:12PM Dec 22nd 2008
O COME ON, WHAT THE HELL...HE LOVES GAYS AND HE LOVES ATHIESTS AS DOES GOD, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE?????
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(0) Hardy269
5:14PM Dec 22nd 2008
DON'T YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND JOB LOSSES AND THE WAR...THEN THIS SILLY THING?????
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(0) Francis Xavier Pope
5:29PM Dec 22nd 2008
The bottom line is that there are more evangelical Christians in the US than there are gays and atheists combined. Most of those folks vote, and Obama wants a slice of that.
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(0) S321Saint
5:37PM Dec 22nd 2008
Liberals are good at this...broad brushing things when they want to. See we conservatives know that everyone has detractors, even within the fold so to speak. EVERY church you will find some people who disagree with their pastor or priest on issues. Just like every company and every organization. But Liberals use that fact to paint all Christians as hypocrits because we disagree with some of "our own". Conservatives are adult enough to know that we will never have 100% agreement on everything. Liberals are like six year olds not getting their way...they attack the ones who disagree with them. Its time that the American public grow up. Liberalism is not even a "glass half full", its a glass that is cracked and leaking..on the verge of breaking...all while liberals cotinue to say how strong it is...much like liberals and their promotion of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae..
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(0) Cajun
5:57PM Dec 22nd 2008
Extreme Liberals are the most "INTOLERANT". Obama is recognizing that even though we don't agree with every issue, we can ALL find some common ground on most issues. DISAGREE, BUT BE CIVIL.
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(0) Voice of Reason
5:57PM Dec 22nd 2008
i want to know what the banks did with the TARP money...they should show what they did with it or give it back!
it is tax payer funds...not an investor slush fund...
Should bailed-out firms be forced to disclose how funds are being spent?
Yes 99%
No 1%
I'm not sure 0%
Total Votes: 40,291
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/bbdp/how-are-bailout-funds-being-spent/284237
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/12/22/banks-not-disclosing-billions-why-all-the-secrecy-paulson/
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/bbdp/bailed-out-banks-execs-got-16-billion/283923
Newspapers are having a hard time selling the dead trees?
i would suggest printing something that folks want to read...maybe even a Pulitzer in it for the Journalist
Folks would love reading about where their hard earned and paid tax monies have gone after the Banks received it...it is unconscionable that People in the business of counting money can't account for the money...
stories about where the taxpayers money went would sell out your dead tree versions...
it is tax payer funds...not an investor slush fund...
Should bailed-out firms be forced to disclose how funds are being spent?
Yes 99%
No 1%
I'm not sure 0%
Total Votes: 40,291
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/bbdp/how-are-bailout-funds-being-spent/284237
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/12/22/banks-not-disclosing-billions-why-all-the-secrecy-paulson/
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/bbdp/bailed-out-banks-execs-got-16-billion/283923
Newspapers are having a hard time selling the dead trees?
i would suggest printing something that folks want to read...maybe even a Pulitzer in it for the Journalist
Folks would love reading about where their hard earned and paid tax monies have gone after the Banks received it...it is unconscionable that People in the business of counting money can't account for the money...
stories about where the taxpayers money went would sell out your dead tree versions...
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(0) DD8V92
6:05PM Dec 22nd 2008
Clif Kuplen4:05PMDec 22nd 2008
It may be Obama's point re ranger rick. Consider:
If atheists and fundamentalists can come together in agreement that this guy is a giant douche, aren't there other things we can agree on too?
It's not a redneck america, it's not a blue steel throbber america, it's our fuckin' country!!
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Now we are getting somewhere. Everyone has the right to believe what they want to, This taking a back seat to anyone garbage was suppose to end along time ago. There is enough room in this country for all of us to live in, But when people start pushing their beliefs on to others, then the fighting will start.
It may be Obama's point re ranger rick. Consider:
If atheists and fundamentalists can come together in agreement that this guy is a giant douche, aren't there other things we can agree on too?
It's not a redneck america, it's not a blue steel throbber america, it's our fuckin' country!!
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Now we are getting somewhere. Everyone has the right to believe what they want to, This taking a back seat to anyone garbage was suppose to end along time ago. There is enough room in this country for all of us to live in, But when people start pushing their beliefs on to others, then the fighting will start.
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