One thing that the newly-released Senate Armed Services report on the treatment of detainees in US custody makes clear is that Donald Rumsfeld lied to Congress and the American public about the Pentagon's role in systematizing torture at U.S. detention centers at Guantanamo Bay, Iraq and Afghanistan. Testifying before Congress in 2004, Rumsfled offered the following characterization of the Abu Ghraib abuses:
"To those Iraqis mistreated by the members of our armed forces, I offer my deepest apology. It was inconsistent with our nation, inconsistent with the teachings of the military, and it was fundamentally un-American."
"In recent days there's been a focus on a few that have betrayed our values and sullied the reputation of our country," Rumsfeld said, adding that the actions of a few do not represent "the values of America and I know that and you know that and our families know that..."
But since then we have learned that the treatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib , the photos of which shocked the country, was not a random act carried out by lower level "bad apple" subordinates, but was approved not only by Rumsfeld himself back in 2002, but also by George Tenet, and top Bush Administration officials. Nancy Pelosi, too, was briefed on the torture.
Sy Hersh was on to Rumsfeld's disinformation campaign early on, as the following clip shows:
But today's most explosive revelation is that Rumsfeld used the "enhanced interrogation techniques" in an effort to try to prove there was a link between Saddam Hussein's government and Al Qaida. That's right. In Iraq, torture was used to justify the war.
Stop it already! This is just more propaganda to make Americans feel bad. I doubt anything of consequence happened at AbuGrahib (or Gitmo for that matter). This constant effort to make Americans feel guilty should really end. I for one will no longer read any articles about so-called "torture."
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Jimmy
9:52AM Apr 22nd 2009
Someone from the BUSH Administration lied???? NO WAY!!!!!!!! What next, a 700 pound woman who get's free rehab and health care because she made a plea over the internet, and some sleazy company wanted publicity?????
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matt
9:59AM Apr 22nd 2009
The Bush administration did not hear a "Single Dissent" in seeking approval of it's interrogation process.
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Captain Spalding
10:05AM Apr 22nd 2009
For crying out loud, Knowles. LET IT GO. ENOUGH. Maybe we should haul up all of the Watergate conspirators again. The ones that aren't already dead, that is. Nothing quite like whipping a dead horse, right ??!!
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Travis Bucks
10:15AM Apr 22nd 2009
My earlier post dissapeared. What I was saying in condensed form is this: Torture works. It is OK if used against our enemies like the Muslims. It is OK to lie about it since we should not give away secret techniques to enemies who may use them against us. It is OK to lie to protect the country. Cheney and the Republicans are absolutely right on torture and they should not be the least ashamed of covering it up. Some things should just stay secrets.
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moderate
10:33AM Apr 22nd 2009
Close your eyes and imagine a diffrent leader. He is Black, young and a democrate, would you still want to stop the investigation? I think not, America did a grave disservice to our national pride and goodness. Do not let this drop, we should gather our collective pride and demand answers and prosecute if necessary. Man up America, we have shamed ourselves by acting the same or worse then our enemies. At least they do not lie and claim the high road.
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Annie
10:37AM Apr 22nd 2009
moderate..it is hard to man up when we have nothing but a panty waist in office.
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moderate
10:40AM Apr 22nd 2009
Annie... I think your discription is better aimed at lying people who destroy careers because they do not want to break Americas laws. Torture is never right, just ask our service men and women. We have lowered ourselves to the base instincts of an animal
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J. L. Wood
10:52AM Apr 22nd 2009
This tendency of the Republicans to continually lie to the public 'for their own good,' is reprehensible and will cripple them politically for years to come. The American public refuses to be governed in this manner. It removes our ability to influence what is going on in our government--which is at the very heart of what a 'democracy' (or 'republic' if you prefer) is ALL about.
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Red
7:07PM May 18th 2009
J.L.Wood: Your Tendancy to lie by the Republicans is a statement that has to be made by a Liberal Democrat. Who for the last couple of weeks has been in the news accused of lying? My guess is that would be the speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi. Is she Republican? Oh my god! she is a Democrat. So get off the Republicans lying binge, your savior Obama and his cronies lie just as much if not more than those hateful hateful Bush Republicans!!!!!!!!!!
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sgentilejr
11:02AM Apr 22nd 2009
There is no Statute of Limitations on War Crimes. If anyone engaged in War Crimes such as torture that can be arrested and tried now or in 10, 20, 30 years from now. What we as individuals think is totally and completely meaningless. It is only what the International War Crimes Tribunal thinks that matters. As it is their job to investigates such matters and they can do it now or 20 or 50 years from now.
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mrbline
11:14AM Apr 22nd 2009
Travis Buck,
Weren't you the devout God fearing, Bible thumping, card carrying Jesus follower?
And torture is okay?
And lying is okay?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm . . .
Above sounds more like Pilate, Caiaphas, and the mob justifying hanging your LORD and SAVIOR on a cross. I guess the your Jesus card is only valid when it doesn't conflict with your political affiliation.
Can't have it both ways kiddo.
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Mindy
11:16AM Apr 22nd 2009
Radical Islamic Terrorists don't follow rules. If the people charged with protecting Americans have to circumvent our rules.....I DON'T CARE! Whats worse, a waterboarded terrorist or picking up body parts from hundreds of innocents in an ocean from a downed plane? Obama went to the CIA to keep the secretaries and receptionists happy, but why would anyone else want to try to keep us safe now? This is appalling.
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moderate
11:17AM Apr 22nd 2009
mrbline... very good, you really nailed it, hypocrisy by travis.
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Annie
11:28AM Apr 22nd 2009
moderate..I watched the towers fall, people jumping to their death. I watched as children lost their parents, mothers and fathers that lost their children...I watched the murders of innocent people...I watched these animals behead...I heard the screams of the people being beheaded. If waterboarding could save just one...just one person from the hands of these monsters I would do it evey hour on the hour. My heart will not bleed for these people...these sob's are alive and intact. My heart bleeds for those that were really tortured and murdered.
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Sebas
12:19PM Apr 22nd 2009
PEOPLE ARE WORRIED IF RUMSFIELD LIES? WHAT ABOUT THE LIES OF THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR OBAMA STARTING FROM THE CAMPAIGN AND STILL LYING EVEN NOW. OBAMA LIED ABOUT HIS ASSOCIATIONS WITH AYERS,WRIGHT,REZKO,BLAGO,ACORN,STANDING WITH THE MUSLIMS. OBAMA DID THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF ALL HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES OF ETHICS REFORM,BIPARTISANSHIP,TRANSPARENCY,NO PORKS IN BILLS.OBAMA IS ECONOMICALLY,CULTURALLY AND MILITARILY INCOMPETENT AND IS A COMPLETE FAILURE AS PRESIDENT OF THE US. REMEMBER ABOUT HIS TALKING WITH TERRORISTS AND ROGUE NATIONS WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS.IRAN A SMALL COUNTRY AND NOT A MILITARY THREAT.THE US SURGE IN IRAQ WON'T WORK AND THEN SENT A SURGE TO AFGHANISTAN. THE FASTER WE REPLACE OBAMA THE LESS CHANCE OF IRREVERSIBLY DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARILY.OUR ENEMIES ARE MORE EMBOLDENED AND RIDICULING OBAMA BECAUSE OF HIS MILITARY WEAKNESS AND INCOMPETENCE.
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moderate
11:37AM Apr 22nd 2009
Annie... I do not feel sympathy or any good feelings for the terrorist, that is your interpretations. I feel bad for our country for lowering ourselves and our righteousness for possible expediancy. we broke our own laws and moral code, that makes us no better then our enemies. I lost a friend in the towers, I know he would not agree to what our past administration has done. He was deeply religous and a good, honest, strong father husband and American.
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Sebas
12:16PM Apr 22nd 2009
MODERATE-AL-QAEDA BROKE INTERNATIONAL AND MORAL LAWS WHEN THEY TORTURED /MASSACRED THE 3,000 INNOCENT AMERICAN CIVILIANS ON 9/11.WHERE IS THE JUSTICE AND OUTRAGE FOR THESE CRUEL INFLICTION OF SUFFERING,SEPARATION OF ALL THE TISSUES IN THE BODIES OF THESE AMERICANS.CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.YOU ARE BLAMING OUR US MILITARY AND CIA FOR WATERBOARDING AND NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE CRUEL AND HORRIFIC DEATHS OF THESE 3,000 INNOCENT AMERICANS ON 9/11. YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN. YOU ARE A TRAITOR AND SHOULD BE EXECUTED TOGETHER WITH OBAMA,PELOSI AND MURTHA. HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID TO CONDEMN WATERBOARDING OF THESE BARBARIC ISLAMIC FANATICS. YOU HAVE NO CONSCIENCE.YOU SHOULD JOIN THESE ISLAMIC FANATICS.YOU HAVE THE SAME MINDSET.
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Annie
11:50AM Apr 22nd 2009
Look at all the garbage coming out today. Obama wants the eyes of the people off of him and what he is doing. He wants to stir up the left to distract form him. Think the man wasn't paying attention to the rallies...think again. He is trying to deflect anger from him to the past admin. I thought he was man that didn't want his past brought up because he was looking to the futre...I thought he was a man that wanted to move the country forward. Yea right and I just saw a flock of pink pigs flying past my window. If peopel want to start throwing around liar and hypocrite they need to start with their new president firat.
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Judy
11:52AM Apr 22nd 2009
THEY ALL LIE SO WHAT IS NEW? IN THIS TOWN THEY DO NOT INTERROGATE THEY JUST WHIP YOUR AZZ AND BEAT YOU DOWN SOMETIMES KILL. TORTURE IS TORTURE AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF IT RIGHT HERE ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA. WE WILL SEE MORE OF IT AS THE ECONOMY DECLINES AND THE STREET THUGS MEET POLICE THUGS.