Former CIA Director Is Slack-Jawed

You hit it right on the head - she is a slimey little weasel and has no idea what truth is. I beleive she will be taken down on this lie.

Oh come on, she knew...........................

As a minority party, what exactly could she have done about it? So republicans are confirming that they tortured and trying to make the dems look complicit? Pathetic.

Dennis, nice try. You can try to spin this any way you want, but if the truth is revealed, the Dems won't just "look complicit". Fake outrage? Pathetic!

Words of Wisdom for J. Porter Goss...

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?"

this woman needs to resign or expelled, one way or the other she needs to go and go now.

No Dennis, in all seriousness, it looks like Pelosi knew about this, and she should just admit it.

For the liberals against torture, I have good news. There are more politicians that should be prosecuted. Clinton and Gore originated the "torture by proxy" program, aka Extraordinary Rendition, where suspected terrorists are abducted and taken to foreign countries where they severely tortured, sometimes to death. If we are going to prosecute Bush, we'll have to prosecute Clinton too.

June 15, 2004
Extraordinary Rendition: Not Just for Republicans!
Until tonight, I knew vaguely that the policy of "extraordinary rendition"--sending terrorism suspects to countries that practice torture for interrogation--started under the Clinton administration. But I did not know any of the details.
Tonight I came across this 2001 Wall Street Journal story*, and learned the details:
CIA-Backed Team Used Brutal Means To Break Up Terrorist Cell in Albania
By ANDREW HIGGINS and CHRISTOPHER COOPER
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
TIRANA, Albania -- Ahmed Osman Saleh stepped off a minibus here in the Albanian capital in July 1998 and caught what would be his last glimpse of daylight for three days. As he paid the driver, Albanian security agents slipped a white cloth bag over Mr. Saleh's head, bound his limbs with plastic shackles and tossed him into the rear of a hatchback vehicle.
Supervising the operation from a nearby car were agents from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.
Mr. Saleh's Albanian captors sped over rutted roads to an abandoned air base 35 miles north of Tirana. There, recalled an Albanian security agent who participated, guards dumped the bearded self-confessed terrorist on the floor of a windowless bathroom.
After two days of interrogation by CIA agents and sporadic beatings by Albanian guards, Mr. Saleh was put aboard a CIA-chartered plane and flown to Cairo, according to the Albanian agent and a confession Egyptian police elicited from Mr. Saleh in September 1998. "I remained blindfolded until I got off the plane," Mr. Saleh said in the confession, a document written in Arabic longhand that he signed at the bottom.
There were more beatings and torture at the hands of Egyptian authorities. And 18 months after he was grabbed outside the Garden of Games, a Tirana childrens' park, Mr. Saleh was hanged in an Egyptian prison yard.
By the Script
His capture was one of five scripted and overseen by American agents as part of a covert 1998 operation to deport members of the Egyptian Jihad organization to Cairo from the Balkans. At the time, Egyptian Jihad was merging with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. U.S. authorities considered the Tirana cell among the most dangerous terror outfits in Europe. The CIA has refused to acknowledge the 1998 operation. But privately, U.S. officials have described it as one of the most successful counterterrorism
efforts in the annals of the intelligence agency....
About a dozen U.S. agents arrived in Albania to plan the arrests, according to their Albanian counterparts. CIA and SHIK operatives spent three months devising the operation, often meeting in a conference room next to Mr. Klosi's office.
On June 25, 1998, the Egyptian government issued a prearranged arrest warrant for Mr. Attiya, the forger, and demanded his deportation. Most such requests to Western countries had been ignored in the past, said Hisham Saraya, Egypt's attorney general at the time. This one was not.
That day, while driving in his 1986 Audi in Tirana, Mr. Attiya found himself being trailed by an Albanian police car and another vehicle, he later recalled in his confession. He was stopped and arrested. The same day, Albanian security officers raided his home and found more than 50 plates and stamps used to produce fake visas and other bogus documents, according to court records from his 1999 trial.
Several days later, he was taken, handcuffed and blindfolded, to the abandoned air base, north of Tirana. "There, a private plane was waiting for me," he said in his confession. Once in Cairo, he was blindfolded again and driven to Egypt's state security offices on July 2, 1998. "Since then, the interrogations have not stopped," he said.
Mr. Attiya later told his lawyer, Hafez Abu-Saada, that while being questioned, he was subjected to electrical shocks to his genitals, suspended by his limbs, dragged on his face, and made to stand for hours in a cell, with filthy water up to his knees. Mr. Abu-Saada, who represented all five members of the Tirana cell, subsequently recorded their complaints in a published report.
Also deported from Tirana was Mr. Naggar. He was nabbed in July 1998 by SHIK on a road outside of town. He, too, was blindfolded and spirited home on a CIA plane. In complaints in his confession and to his defense lawyer, Mr. Abu-Saada, Mr. Naggar said his Egyptian interrogators regularly applied electrical shocks to his nipples and penis.
Mr. Naggar's brother, Mohamed, said in an interview that he and his relatives also were -- and continue to be -- harassed and tortured by Egyptian police. He said he had suffered broken ribs and fractured cheekbones. "They changed my features," Mohamed Naggar said, touching his face.
About two weeks after Messrs. Attiya and Naggar were deported to Egypt, Albanian security agents took Mr. Tita, the dues-collector, from his Tirana apartment. They covered his head and put him on a plane. "After I was arrested, [Egyptian interrogators] hung me from my wrists and applied electricity to parts of my feet and back," he said in his confession.
As the CIA operation drew to a close, an Arab newspaper in London published a letter on August 5, 1998, signed by the International Islamic Front for Jihad. The letter vowed revenge for the counterterrorism drive in Albania, promising to retaliate against Americans in a "language they will understand."
Two days later, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were blown up, killing 224 people. U.S. investigators have attributed the embassy bombings to al Qaeda and now believe the attacks were planned far in advance. At the time, American officials were rattled enough about the possible connection to the
Tirana arrests that they closed the U.S. Embassy there, moving the staff to a more-secure compound across town.
The embassy bombings didn't stop the CIA from going after Mr. Saleh in Tirana. In August, Albanian security agents grabbed him outside the children's park. During two months of detention in Egypt, he was suspended from the ceiling of his cell and given electrical shocks, he told his lawyer, Mr. Abu-Saada. Also rounded up was Essam Abdel-Tawwab, an Egyptian Jihad member who had lived for a time in Tirana before moving to Sofia, Bulgaria. He, too, later told Mr. Abu-Saada he was tortured. Egyptian prosecutors acknowledged in court documents that they observed a "recovered wound" on Mr. Tawwab's body.
Bill Clinton is not President anymore, and I wasn't a huge fan of his when he was. I already knew that part of the groundwork for the "extraordinary rendition" policy was laid during his presidency. I've said a hundred times that this is not and should not be a partisan issue. But apparently I am more naive and more partisan than I'd like to think, because when I read this article I was shocked that this could happen under a Democratic president.
Fact Sheet: Extraordinary Rendition (12/6/2005)


Excerpted from ACLU story:

Beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to this day, the Central Intelligence Agency, together with other U.S. government agencies, has utilized an intelligence-gathering program involving the transfer of foreign nationals suspected of involvement in terrorism to detention and interrogation in countries where -- in the CIA's view -- federal and international legal safeguards do not apply. Suspects are detained and interrogated either by U.S. personnel at U.S.-run detention facilities outside U.S. sovereign territory or, alternatively, are handed over to the custody of foreign agents for interrogation. In both instances, interrogation methods are employed that do not comport with federal and internationally recognized standards. This program is commonly known as "extraordinary rendition."

Foreign nationals suspected of terrorism have been transported to detention and interrogation facilities in Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Diego Garcia, Afghanistan, Guantánamo, and elsewhere. In the words of former CIA agent Robert Baer: "If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear -- never to see them again -- you send them to Egypt."

Truth, your post, this just sickens and angers me. I already knew it. There are other means, how about they just take them off the streets period. Lock them up in jail facilities and then have their trial. I saw Clinton say on National TV he had been in favor of this.

Kathy,
My point in this is two wrongs don't make a right. In times of war people get killed, tortured, etc. War is ugly. I'm doubtful humans will stop having wars.

I hate terrorists, and they are the only group I don't feel too bad about getting waterboarded. A fairly mild coercive technique, if it was done the way the Bush people say it was. When thousands of innocent people's lives are at stake the exigencies of stopping terrorists justify coercive techniques.
I do have some serious doubts about the practice of abducting people and imprisoning them in secret locations. You damn well better grab someone that really IS a terrorist, not someone who may know terrorists, or an innocent person.

The issue with this proposed prosecution is that the democrats can't be selective in deciding Bush is guilty, but Clinton isn't.

Maybe it is actually beginning to penetrate through the thick skulls of a great many foolish folk that the whole REACTION, long "pent up" but now finally actually "breaking loose", AGAINST the OBSCENITIES that have LONG been being committed in "our" name and which have been foisted off on us all by "our" marvelous MISguided (or maybe more like MISBEGOTTEN!) MIS"leadership" is NOT just some mere "harmless" exercise in "Republican vs. Democrat POLITICAL posturing"! Clearly, there IS guilt enough to go around --- on BOTH "sides of the aisle"!

What I, for one, find nearly as disgusting as the atrocities perpetrated "in our name" THEMSELVES is THE APPARENT INCLINATION OF LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE TO NOW GO ALONG WITH "SWEEPING IT ALL UNDER THE RUG" on the grounds that there would be no "party advantage" to be had once it actually begins to come home to people that MANY of "our" marvelous MISmanagers, of BOTH political "stripes", have a share in the guilt.

Clearly, this is something in "our" national makeup with which this society is going to have to come to grips --- kind of like, for example, SLAVERY, or the "ethnic cleansing" of the Native Americans and the Nisei. It CAN'T merely be "deferred in perpetuity", as "we" seem so inclined to try to get away with in (not) dealing with so many OTHER things.

I, for one, would like to express my ADMIRATION AND THANKS to Obama and company for the shrewd manner in which they are evidently TRYING, at least, to FORCE people to face up to the LARGER realities of the whole subject! It ISN'T just a "Republican" sin --- and there really SHOULD be a much BROADER exposure, together with full discreditations, and maybe even PROSECUTIONS, where they are deserved, of ALL the "architects" of such policies. What is needed is a good cathartic CLEANSING of a great deal of "dead wood". Whatever their INTENTIONS may or may not have been, these birds did NOT "protect" "us" --- indeed, the net effective result of their whole obscenity has worked out to be QUITE THE OPPOSITE of that!

I submit that the fact that so many people have for so long been unwilling to THINK for THEMSELVES, but evidently prefer to instead follow off after any ideological idiot who picks up a mere FLAG and waves it IS PRECISELY WHAT HAS GOTTEN THIS COUNTRY INTO THE PICKLE IN WHICH IT NOW FINDS ITSELF!

I just wonder to what extent it may have been the case that some of the more egregious outrages by fighters on the "other side" may have actually been ENGENDERED by the kinds of treatment being meted out to THEM in cases when THEY were held as "our" prisoners!

By the time they (for example) beheaded Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, "al-Qaeda" MUST SURELY HAVE BEEN WELL AWARE (given escapes, exonerations and releases, and some forcible "extractions" of prisoners that had occurred long before then) of much of what was being done to THEIR OWN brethren in captivity. (Only "We the People" over here were "kept in the dark" in THAT regard!)

So then THAT, of course, raises the question of to what extent it has to be considered, as a matter of logic, that a factor MOTIVATING such atrocities as the Pearl murder may well have been what had been and was being done by "our OWN" people!

That is, maybe at least a part of the more-or-less universal outrage at THAT horror REALLY should be directed at "our OWN" murderers and torturers --- who now come along and muster the sheer chutzpah to argue that "we" have got some kind of bounden obligation to "support" them on the things they have done because THEY were supposedly "protecting" "us"! But did not what they did ACTUALLY ADD to "our" risk?? TALK ABOUT CIRCULAR REASONING!!

Anyway, HERE is the only “circular” reasoning that is actually valid:

What GOES ‘round --- COMES ‘round.

Of course Pelosi knew about this. If one goes
down, they should ALL go down.

People when ever someone has to use words like "My recollection". They are for the most part wordsmithing things, or in other words lying though thier ass's. Of course Goss is going to say things that would limit the amount of trouble he could get into. It seems the republicans know they are going down and want to take as many as they can.
What Goss fails to tell us all that they used torture the way it has always been ment to be used, and that is to get false confessions, in this case that there was a direct tie between Saddam and Osama and 9/11.
So in short Bush/Cheney cherry picked and cooked the intel to get there illegal war, then use torture to get a false connection. Even after waterborading the man 186 times they still failed to get what they wanted. Pretty sad, like everything else about Bush/Cheney it was a bust, a failure!

seems our enemies have infiltrated our government.

I say those who impede our tactics of war should be tried for treason.

Let's not rewrite history. Democrats voted for the Iraq war because they were given the exact intel given to President Bush. Then they used their opposition to gain political popularity. Sadly, the American people were duped into believing it. Now Democrats are doing the same with enhanced interrogation. They knew what was going on to protect Americans and said nothing, and now they are trying to spin calling enhanced interrogation torture. The USA has never tortured. Our enemies use blowtorches and drills and amputation for torture. After waterboarding the worst that happens is someone having to take a long piss

And Mindy knows this because? Republicans told her so?
Gee they lied about wiretapping, but not about the intel? We now know they lied about useing torture, but not about who knew it? Sorry Mindy we would send them out to get drilled. Your a fool a long pee? Here let me clue as to what happens. First they keep you up for a week, then they beat the snot out of you. Then they strap you to a borad and fill your mouth and nose with water and wrap your face in scran wrap and watch you choke to death after 3 or 4 minutes they stop and revive you. Its been called torture by our government for 200 years. Gen Washington was the first that decleared we are above torture. Its sad that people like you make light of wrecking a key principle of this country for a tactic that we know dosen't work. That is if you use it to get intel, but it dose work to get false confessions like 9/11 and Iraq are connected.

Dennis12:41AMApr 26th 2009

As a minority party, what exactly could she have done about it? So republicans are confirming that they tortured and trying to make the dems look complicit?

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Dennis, if they knew about it and did nothing (to the point of not even objecting to it privately) and it's determined to be torture, they're complicit. Plain and simple. Go look up "complicit" in a dictionary.

This is why this investigation is never going to get off the ground unless the former "powerless and, therefore, blameless" minority party and current majority party (aka, the Democrats) can manage to narrow the focus to exclude themselves.

Bob
Why would they tell the truth now? They have lied about everything else. Now their butts are in the fire you really think they would be honest now?
You forget the way things where back then, the GOP had complete control. They had key issue meetings all the time without dems, they lied about times and places for meetings all the time. I think Dick Cheney sumed it up "Who gives a fuck about what they have to say or want, when they can win some elections then they can have some input, til then they can go fuck themseves." Nope I don't believe anything they say now, they are cowards that are trapped and will say anything to lessen their crimes.............

Let's kick this Ignorant Lesbian buffoon out of Office.

In light of the unfounded “threat assessment” on “Rightwing Extremism” issued by DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, I am calling for Napolitano’s immediate removal from office.

While admitting to having no evidence linking “rightwing” citizens to actual terror threats, the report nonetheless profiles several conservative groups, including members of the military, pro-life citizens and those who oppose illegal immigration, as terror threats. The report also lists racism and economic hardship as prime causes of “rightwing” extremism.

Unfortunately, Napolitano and the Obama Administration continue to stand behind this flawed report. That is why Napolitano must go and the Obama administration must apologize to millions of patriotic Americans who have been wrongly profiled by this report.
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