John McCain Takes Issue With Dick Cheney's Speech

For you to say "the ends justify the means" is redundant Do your research. Al Qaeda can justify the 9/11 attack in the same way. They hit us for giving aid to Israel, whom actively has commited terrorist acts in the middle east over the past 10 yrs. Good job Greg, your a contributing factor to terrorism around the world I applaud you and hope you suffer the same at the hands of a like-minded individual.

Aparently the only real pole is one that agrees with your limited understanding of the problem. And the GOP can not understand why its numbers are falling.

Maybe you think you are living in a country of terrorists, but you are not... Over 70% of us think it was a very bad idea to torture people in order to get them to say that 9/11 and Iraq are some how related... A vast majority of us believe in the rule of law, believe that we do not have to become terrorists to defeat terrorists. Those like you who would lower our standards, are, thankfully, in the minority... If that constitution was good enough for 225 years then it surely can stand the test of a few religous idiots... Greg, I can safely say that we will never surrender to your way of thinking... We are stronger than you think!

Torture doesn't save lives. It costs American lives. The Iraq invasion was justified in part by information given under torture. That information about Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" was false. People will say anything to stop form being tortured - what they say is unreliable.

Look at Cheney and Rumsfeld. They torture because of the kind of men they are - not because it works.

I know many people who believe that torture is inhumane and immoral. When McCain and Obama were running for President both said that they would STOP torture. So you keep a very narrow circle of friends...
You and I both know that politicians would not run against an issue as strongly as McCain and Obama did if they were not fairly sure that the public (their voters) were also against torture. So, like it or not, most of us are ashamed of the evil of torture and believe that it does not get the info wanted, and it demeans us in the eyes of potential allies. Claire jentsch
Claire Jentsch

Greg Im with you on this one. I may not be a member of the Party of No, but I refuse to join in on the party of: Lets by car industries, banks and insurance companies and control them all. Or the party that believes Gay Sex is a normal and natural way of life, while its ok to rip a baby out of its mothers womb, no this would not be considered torture by their standards nor would having your head decapitated, what a bunch of fools.

As a soldier and a POW who was tortured McCain knows so much more then a draft dodging lieing man. Cheney is not fit to even walk in McCain's shadow. He was the rights darling until he lost, he does not deserve such disrespect and venom from anyone, you or especially Cheney.

its mccain idiot

McCain lost because Ind.& Dems remember that he lost the primary to Bush 9 yrs ago.Only the brain dead republican party would try such a stupid stunt.

To those who say we were so innocent about the torture issue in WW11 must never have had a member in the family who served on the front lines in that conflict. I imagine almosty everything the US Marine Corps had to to adopt tactically to fight the Japanese in the Pacific campaigns would be considered torure in today's society. Unrestricted submarine warefare was a basis to prosecute the Nazis after the war, yet we folloed a basically same policy ourselves while fighting the Japanese. Your selective memory and false indignation is ludicrous. We were attacked by these terrorists on 9/11, they fought against us on the fields of Afghanistan and were captured there. No one claims them as part of thei military, not even the Arab countries and Islamic's they say they are fighting for. I guess someone on your own family would have to be killd by one of these guys before you gotmad enough to say enough is enough and try to eliminate them from the face of this earth? I asked this when the first few left wing , peace at any price yahoos started voicing their concerns for these terrorists years ago, just what does it take to piss a liberal off enough to fight back? Seems to me a whole lot more than we have suffered already.

For a long time now I've wondered if Cheney is seeking revenge on Bush for not pardoning Libby on Bush's last day in office. I read that Cheney stormed into the Oval office with some aids and shouted that Bush HAD to pardon Libby. Apparently, the two haven't spoken since, because Bush feels Cheney destroyed the Bush Legacy. I'm no fan of Bush, never was, but every day Cheney comes out on tv with more toxins, Bush looks better for sticking to principle on the last day, at least, and refusing to be controlled by the mirror image of Saddam Hussein. Psychology buffs will see projection in this. Bush hated Hussein in a very personal way because he identified with this other man who shot people in the face. I stop short of calling him Evil, because that is God's to do, but Scott Peck in "People of the Lie" defines evil people as self centered narcissits who murder either the spirit/s or body/ies of others. Dr. Peck wrote "The Road Less Travelled"-- the only non-fiction book with the distinguished honor of occupying the NY Times Best-Seller list for TEN YEARS STRAIGHT. We should all strive to be like Peck. Pamela