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In Iraq, Rape Without Recourse
In Iraq's Red Zone, there is an apartment with no listed address. The two small bedrooms house six women and their children, who comprise a temporary, but closely bound, family. Of the six women, four have been raped. The curtains are drawn tightly against the outside world, but that is not their only defense. One of the women raises her handbag to show that, in case of the worst, she carries a gun.
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"FRONTLINE/World" on PBS has produced a piece on the rapid rise in rapes in Iraq, which takes us inside this women's shelter in the middle of the Red Zone. It is one of very few in existence and forced to operate covertly in the face of threats and danger. Before the war began in Iraq, rape was not a frequently reported crime and when it did occur the legal recourse was clear. Today, though the exact figures are unknown, estimates of rape are in the thousands. On the question of who takes responsibility to prevent and punish rape in Iraq, the short answer seems to be no one.
The rapes are committed by warring religious factions, they are committed by Iraqi security forces, they are committed by foreign soldiers sent there to serve, they are committed by contractors sent there for hire, they are committed by former friends and neighbors, they are committed by strangers. Even knowing who to report a rape to is difficult and dangerous.
In 2006, Steven Green, then a soldier stationed in the middle of an Iraqi combat zone, left the base in the middle of the night with a group of three soldiers. The group headed to the home of 14 year-old girl, where they shot and killed her parents and sister, before gang-raping her and shooting her dead.
Just last week, Green's trial in a US civilian court, resulted in a sentence of life imprisonment. The defense never denied that Green committed the crimes, nor did they deny that it was premeditated or that Green was the ringleader. The strange and distasteful defense they brought was that the context of the Iraq war and living with the daily stress of combat brought Green to it.
What they didn't mention was the growing culture of rape in Iraq -- ignoring it when it happens, blaming the victims, punishing or even killing the victims. Though Green was tried and convicted, the majority of rapes in Iraq are not punished. They're often not even reported.
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"FRONTLINE/World" on PBS has produced a piece on the rapid rise in rapes in Iraq, which takes us inside this women's shelter in the middle of the Red Zone. It is one of very few in existence and forced to operate covertly in the face of threats and danger. Before the war began in Iraq, rape was not a frequently reported crime and when it did occur the legal recourse was clear. Today, though the exact figures are unknown, estimates of rape are in the thousands. On the question of who takes responsibility to prevent and punish rape in Iraq, the short answer seems to be no one.
The rapes are committed by warring religious factions, they are committed by Iraqi security forces, they are committed by foreign soldiers sent there to serve, they are committed by contractors sent there for hire, they are committed by former friends and neighbors, they are committed by strangers. Even knowing who to report a rape to is difficult and dangerous.
In 2006, Steven Green, then a soldier stationed in the middle of an Iraqi combat zone, left the base in the middle of the night with a group of three soldiers. The group headed to the home of 14 year-old girl, where they shot and killed her parents and sister, before gang-raping her and shooting her dead.
Just last week, Green's trial in a US civilian court, resulted in a sentence of life imprisonment. The defense never denied that Green committed the crimes, nor did they deny that it was premeditated or that Green was the ringleader. The strange and distasteful defense they brought was that the context of the Iraq war and living with the daily stress of combat brought Green to it.
What they didn't mention was the growing culture of rape in Iraq -- ignoring it when it happens, blaming the victims, punishing or even killing the victims. Though Green was tried and convicted, the majority of rapes in Iraq are not punished. They're often not even reported.
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therealoospudly
1:41PM May 30th 2009
Unfortunately, this isn't really an Iraqi problem. It's a problem that goes across the entire middle-east, and India.
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utchd58
2:31PM May 30th 2009
What Green and those other creeps did to that family was unforgivable- to say the least- but their monstrous acts do NOT in any shape or form represent ANY of our troops in Iraq and Afganistan. Our brave ones risk their lives each and every day, hoping to make life better for the people in those countries.
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(2) hcdo38
2:38PM May 30th 2009
Rape is horrible but I think there were still rapes going on before the Iraqi war. I remember reading that Sadaam Husseins sons used to drive around and pick up young women on the street and rape them. They couldn't even report the crime. I do not blame the women for carrying a gun to protect themselves.
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(4) Deborah
3:30PM May 30th 2009
Our soldiers in Iraq are under great fear and stress. I do understand
and empathise with them. I would hope, though, that they remain aware
of the morals and values they were taught while growing up...that as
they witness the suffering and indignities of civilians (including
14-year-old children), they are reminded these civilians are human, that they are under just as much fear and stress of being killed or maimed, and that many are caught up in the strife simply because they happen to live in the compbat zone. I would expect them, therefore, to exhibit the same respect and empathy they were brought up at home to feel for people like this. These soldiers, if guilty, or anyone for that matter, who kills for no reason and commits rape, should be punished just as they would be here in the United States. I, personally, DO make a distinction between these innocent" civilians and the ones who try to harm our soldiers. When civilians, in any land, choose to personally fight or harm our soldiers, they make themselves soldiers for their cause, and I no
longer condider them civilian. As for terrorists, I choose to turn my back on methods used to garner information from them if that information would help preserve the lives of "our" men and boys. I don't feel that
terrorists should be tortured simply for the sake of torture, or because the soldiers guarding them happen to be bored, but strictly for the purpose of obtaining needed information. In this case, if these soldiers are found clearly guilty, they should be punished, and I'm ashamed of them.
and empathise with them. I would hope, though, that they remain aware
of the morals and values they were taught while growing up...that as
they witness the suffering and indignities of civilians (including
14-year-old children), they are reminded these civilians are human, that they are under just as much fear and stress of being killed or maimed, and that many are caught up in the strife simply because they happen to live in the compbat zone. I would expect them, therefore, to exhibit the same respect and empathy they were brought up at home to feel for people like this. These soldiers, if guilty, or anyone for that matter, who kills for no reason and commits rape, should be punished just as they would be here in the United States. I, personally, DO make a distinction between these innocent" civilians and the ones who try to harm our soldiers. When civilians, in any land, choose to personally fight or harm our soldiers, they make themselves soldiers for their cause, and I no
longer condider them civilian. As for terrorists, I choose to turn my back on methods used to garner information from them if that information would help preserve the lives of "our" men and boys. I don't feel that
terrorists should be tortured simply for the sake of torture, or because the soldiers guarding them happen to be bored, but strictly for the purpose of obtaining needed information. In this case, if these soldiers are found clearly guilty, they should be punished, and I'm ashamed of them.
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(2) rocksabound
11:16PM May 30th 2009
Lady, when "'our' soldiers" REALLY DO NOT BELONG THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE --- then your nice neat, differentiation between "'innocent' civilians" and "those who would harm 'our' troops" go directly out the window. And if you actually imagine that the wisdom to ascertain and decree by mere fiat that they somehow DO belong there was actually possessed by "King" Georgie and his Crackpot Cabal of NeoConMen... well, then, YOU are a FOOL.
I pass along to you a copy of a reply I posted several years ago now already
to a SIMILAR sort of "argument" as that which you assert that was posted by some other goody-two-shoes way back then:
I would propose that the first "count" in a "Saddam style" indictment and judicial proceeding against "Rummy" (and indeed of the whole Crackpot Cabal of NeoConMen) should be the story of the (then) twelve-year-old Iraqi boy who was sleeping in his bed in Baghdad one night when some "heroic" american (small "a" fully intended) bomber-jockey (probably flying some piece of “stealth”) "scored" his house --- killing two of his siblings and his seven-months pregnant mother, and BLOWING OFF BOTH OF HIS ARMS, ABOVE THE ELBOWS! Somehow he survived, and was "evacuated for medical treatment" (by US Marines).
His story was actually picked up by the Today show, and broadcast into the homes of millions of Americans (which is how I, for one, came to learn of it), complete with some unctuous commentary by none other than Katie Couric about "how much he had lost in this war". (Now does anyone imagine that his small moment of "celebrity" constituted any sort of consolation!?)
I wonder just how many additional "terrorists" and "insurgents", and what subsequent, derivative costs therefrom, might THAT "incident" ultimately (and rightfully!) have engendered? I would certainly expect his father, uncles, cousins, and others to go out gunning for other "a"mericans. I know that if something like that that were done to me and mine, I certainly would!
I pass along to you a copy of a reply I posted several years ago now already
to a SIMILAR sort of "argument" as that which you assert that was posted by some other goody-two-shoes way back then:
I would propose that the first "count" in a "Saddam style" indictment and judicial proceeding against "Rummy" (and indeed of the whole Crackpot Cabal of NeoConMen) should be the story of the (then) twelve-year-old Iraqi boy who was sleeping in his bed in Baghdad one night when some "heroic" american (small "a" fully intended) bomber-jockey (probably flying some piece of “stealth”) "scored" his house --- killing two of his siblings and his seven-months pregnant mother, and BLOWING OFF BOTH OF HIS ARMS, ABOVE THE ELBOWS! Somehow he survived, and was "evacuated for medical treatment" (by US Marines).
His story was actually picked up by the Today show, and broadcast into the homes of millions of Americans (which is how I, for one, came to learn of it), complete with some unctuous commentary by none other than Katie Couric about "how much he had lost in this war". (Now does anyone imagine that his small moment of "celebrity" constituted any sort of consolation!?)
I wonder just how many additional "terrorists" and "insurgents", and what subsequent, derivative costs therefrom, might THAT "incident" ultimately (and rightfully!) have engendered? I would certainly expect his father, uncles, cousins, and others to go out gunning for other "a"mericans. I know that if something like that that were done to me and mine, I certainly would!
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(-1) Deborah
5:39PM May 31st 2009
Rocksabound: Although there are myriad discussions one could have regarding the war in Iraq, the question of whether our troops should be over there in the first place was not the subject of the original post. If you want to discuss that, then go to some other post. You refer to my "nice, neat" (as you call it) differention between "innocent civilians" and "those who would harm our soldiers"...well, sir, I am not so stupid, as you would like to make me seem, that I'm not aware there will most certainly be civilians killed, as collateral damage, to put it bluntly, like the 12-year-old boy you mentioned. It is an inherent fact of war. However, I don't see the relevance when what we are discussing is these soldiers raping a 14-year-old child, and killing her family. Simply because I expect our troops to exhibit moral behavior does not make me a "goody-two-shoes" or a fool, as you refer to me. If you weren't such an angry, know-it all, using big words and abstract references to inpress your audience, and if you could refrain from labeling me or interpreting my post to mean what you want it to mean, you might actually find a point to make which was relevant.
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(-2) php820
4:46PM May 30th 2009
Man is vicious. Come Lord Jesus and make all things new.
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(-1) moderate
5:15PM May 30th 2009
rape and torture are NEVER right no matter the circumstances or the oerson. Who draws the line anymore at what is acceptable? What if someone thought you were guilty of a murder, they rape you and whoops you are innocent. Torture is wrong, there are no exceptions! Rape is torture!
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(4) kgreen
9:22PM May 30th 2009
Green and his idiots were handed a jail sentence for their digusting actions. The other ones must be from that so called religion of peace. Are all your articles this pathetic little Ria?
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(1) Truth
6:36PM May 30th 2009
Rape is even more rampant in Africa. What's your point? You picked out a case where American soldiers are prosecuted for rape, but clearly aren't the perpetrators in the vast majority of cases. Furthermore, on one hand you title your little propaganda piece: "Rape Without Recourse", but cite soldiers who got life sentences for their crimes. Maybe you should talk to the Muslims, or Africans about this epidemic.
It seems to me your purpose is to imply that our soldiers are resonsible for a significant amount of this crime, which isn't true, is it.
It seems to me your purpose is to imply that our soldiers are resonsible for a significant amount of this crime, which isn't true, is it.
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(2) Pundit
7:28PM May 30th 2009
The genocide Murders Green & his US Milt accomplices were convicted of are unfortunately not isolated examples.
Thankfully President Obama has restored the US Army field manual's prohibition against waterboarding Following Cheney's 98 Death Camp War Crime detainee deaths, 1/2 of whom were murdered.
Regan's DOJ prosecuted & convicted a Texas Sheriff & deputies for waterboarding
http://www.alternet.org/rights/138600/reagan%27s_doj_prosecuted_texas_sheriff_for_waterboarding_prisoners/
Cheney Death Camp TORTURE: QUICK FACTS
* At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.
At least eight people were tortured to death.
At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan.
* At least 69 of the detainees died at locations other than Abu Ghraib.
* At least 51 detainees have died in U.S. custody since Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was informed of the abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16, 2004.
* 12 deaths have led to punishments of U.S. personnel
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/misc/factsheet.htm
Thankfully President Obama has restored the US Army field manual's prohibition against waterboarding Following Cheney's 98 Death Camp War Crime detainee deaths, 1/2 of whom were murdered.
Regan's DOJ prosecuted & convicted a Texas Sheriff & deputies for waterboarding
http://www.alternet.org/rights/138600/reagan%27s_doj_prosecuted_texas_sheriff_for_waterboarding_prisoners/
Cheney Death Camp TORTURE: QUICK FACTS
* At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.
At least eight people were tortured to death.
At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan.
* At least 69 of the detainees died at locations other than Abu Ghraib.
* At least 51 detainees have died in U.S. custody since Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was informed of the abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16, 2004.
* 12 deaths have led to punishments of U.S. personnel
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/misc/factsheet.htm
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(0) Pundit
7:45PM May 30th 2009
Iraqi Civilian Deaths Increase Dramatically After Invasion Most of those killed by Coalition forces were women and children.
Updated 2006 Iraq mortality study
Civilian deaths have risen dramatically by more than 201,000 annually in Iraq since the country was invaded in March 2003, according to an updated survey conducted by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Columbia University School of Nursing and Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The researchers found that the majority of deaths were attributed to violence, which were primarily the result of military actions by Coalition forces.
Most of those killed by Coalition forces were women and children.
October 11, 2006
Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates
Mortality Trends Comparable to Estimates by Those Using Other Counting Methods
There are at least 1.3 Million additional dead Iraqis today including 654,965 more Iraqis that have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003 through July 2006 than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The deaths from all causes—violent and non-violent—are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html
Updated 2006 Iraq mortality study
Civilian deaths have risen dramatically by more than 201,000 annually in Iraq since the country was invaded in March 2003, according to an updated survey conducted by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Columbia University School of Nursing and Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The researchers found that the majority of deaths were attributed to violence, which were primarily the result of military actions by Coalition forces.
Most of those killed by Coalition forces were women and children.
October 11, 2006
Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates
Mortality Trends Comparable to Estimates by Those Using Other Counting Methods
There are at least 1.3 Million additional dead Iraqis today including 654,965 more Iraqis that have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003 through July 2006 than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The deaths from all causes—violent and non-violent—are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html
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(-2) Pundit
10:02PM May 30th 2009
Feb. 21, 2009, A U.S. Army medic was convicted of murder Friday for his involvement in the execution-style slayings of four bound and blindfolded Iraqi detainees shot in the back of the head in the spring of 2007.
The court sentenced him to life in prison.
Sgt. Michael Leahy Jr. was found guilty on charges of murder and conspiracy to commit murder by a jury at the court-martial at the Army's Rose Barracks Courthouse in Germany. Leahy also will have his rank reduced to private, his pay forfeited and be dishonorably discharged. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-world216043791feb21,0,71373.story
The court sentenced him to life in prison.
Sgt. Michael Leahy Jr. was found guilty on charges of murder and conspiracy to commit murder by a jury at the court-martial at the Army's Rose Barracks Courthouse in Germany. Leahy also will have his rank reduced to private, his pay forfeited and be dishonorably discharged. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-world216043791feb21,0,71373.story
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(1) kathy
2:18AM May 31st 2009
Any soldier of the USA that commits murder and or rape should be prosecuted to the highest degree. These men represent the us the People of this country. I can see a soldier killing a person he has mistaken as the enemy, but to out and out kill and rape is another story.
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(2) Truth
2:19AM May 31st 2009
Pundip is engaging in misinformation again. She's trying to make our troops look bad by editing information about the war. Never trust Pundip to tell the Truth.
Pundip selectively quoted:
"Civilian deaths have risen dramatically by more than 201,000 annually in Iraq since the country was invaded in March 2003, according to an updated survey conducted by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Columbia University School of Nursing and Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The researchers found that the majority of deaths were attributed to violence, which were primarily the result of military actions by Coalition forces.
Most of those killed by Coalition forces were women and children."
Pundip left out the following comment at the end of that paragraph: "However, the researchers stressed that they found no evidence of improper conduct by the Coalition soldiers."
Pundip purposefully failed to include the following assessment: "95%percent of those deaths were due to air strikes and artillery".
This fact is especially important given the strategy used by Al Queda and the Sunni forces loyal to Saddam, of using civilians as shields. They would hide in areas with women and children very close by and shoot at our troops. This was an intentional strategy to cause civilian deaths and hope that the U.S. would lose the public relations war. Pretty deceptive and lowlife of Pundip to spread anti U.S. military propaganda, but not surprising.
Pundipshit also should explain where she got her 1.3 million dead Iraqis from. The source she cites has the dead at 654,965.
Pundip selectively quoted:
"Civilian deaths have risen dramatically by more than 201,000 annually in Iraq since the country was invaded in March 2003, according to an updated survey conducted by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Columbia University School of Nursing and Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The researchers found that the majority of deaths were attributed to violence, which were primarily the result of military actions by Coalition forces.
Most of those killed by Coalition forces were women and children."
Pundip left out the following comment at the end of that paragraph: "However, the researchers stressed that they found no evidence of improper conduct by the Coalition soldiers."
Pundip purposefully failed to include the following assessment: "95%percent of those deaths were due to air strikes and artillery".
This fact is especially important given the strategy used by Al Queda and the Sunni forces loyal to Saddam, of using civilians as shields. They would hide in areas with women and children very close by and shoot at our troops. This was an intentional strategy to cause civilian deaths and hope that the U.S. would lose the public relations war. Pretty deceptive and lowlife of Pundip to spread anti U.S. military propaganda, but not surprising.
Pundipshit also should explain where she got her 1.3 million dead Iraqis from. The source she cites has the dead at 654,965.
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(0) giles chauvin
10:23AM May 31st 2009
truf,
so what you're saying is that saddam attacked on 9-11 because he had wmd's.
so what you're saying is that saddam attacked on 9-11 because he had wmd's.
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(-2) placertogo
11:42AM May 31st 2009
It has been said that publishing the distasteful photographs of American atrocities in Iraq will endanger our troops. I strongly disagree. If we publish these photographs and zealously prosecute the perpetrators and impose summary executions, we will, in fact, increase our respect in that part of the world and, thus, make our troops safer. The "coverup" is what will endanger our troops as most of the world knows what happened anyway.
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(1) bob
1:22PM May 31st 2009
So I guess the point of this article is:
Iraqi men, when left to their own devices (ie, no longer under the benevolent leadership of Saddam and his sons Uday and Qusay), become raping and pillaging maniacs.
Or is it:
Iraqi men, having been exposed to westerners and their deviant values, become raping and pillaging maniacs.
Or perhaps:
Iraqi men are taking the fall for western invaders who are raping and pillaging maniacs.
But certainly it couldn't be that:
Under Saddam and his sons Uday and Qusay (well-known rapists themselves), many rapes (at the hands of the Republican Guard, perhaps?) went unreported.
Nope, sure couldn't be that last option!. Nope, nope!!
Iraqi men, when left to their own devices (ie, no longer under the benevolent leadership of Saddam and his sons Uday and Qusay), become raping and pillaging maniacs.
Or is it:
Iraqi men, having been exposed to westerners and their deviant values, become raping and pillaging maniacs.
Or perhaps:
Iraqi men are taking the fall for western invaders who are raping and pillaging maniacs.
But certainly it couldn't be that:
Under Saddam and his sons Uday and Qusay (well-known rapists themselves), many rapes (at the hands of the Republican Guard, perhaps?) went unreported.
Nope, sure couldn't be that last option!. Nope, nope!!
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(4) Pundit
3:39PM May 31st 2009
boB, most rapes are still unreported worldwide including those perpetuated by the US Milt, Blackwater/Xe & Domestic rapes in Iraq.
Touche Giles! Not even every tortured soul would falsely implicate Saddam in 911!
Notice how "Pro lifer", hypocrite & Liar truf only comments on the Johns Hopkins, Bloomberg report as she sees fit w/o any factual calculations, evidence or links w/o even disputing the 98 detainee deaths, half of whom were murdered in custody, by the US Milt.
Just 7% of all detainees were picked up by US Milt, while the 93% majority were paid for, with US bounty $ & no proof, which is why Cheney released over 500 Gitmo Detainees w/o trial or any convictions.
Anyone else reading the report or my post will note it's publication date: October 11, 2006 with valid data through July, 2006.
"Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates"
Mortality Trends Comparable to Estimates by Those Using Other Counting Methods i.e. Morgue Dead Body
Counts.
There are at least 1.3 Million additional dead Iraqis today I.E. 16,794 monthly deaths since March 2003 or 201,528 Annual 'Extra' or collateral deaths times 76 months = 1,276,344 unarmed women & Children blown away for Cheney's illegal faux oil war.
Including 654,965 more Iraqis that have died since hostilities began in Iraq in: *March 2003 through July 2006*
than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The deaths from all causes—violent and non-violent—are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html
GOP> Just 13% Solid core support shrinking, sinking & Stinking more daily... http://www.sodahead.com/question/244874/gallup-poll-shows-twenty-nine-democratic-states-with-only-five-republican-states-what-do-you-think/
Touche Giles! Not even every tortured soul would falsely implicate Saddam in 911!
Notice how "Pro lifer", hypocrite & Liar truf only comments on the Johns Hopkins, Bloomberg report as she sees fit w/o any factual calculations, evidence or links w/o even disputing the 98 detainee deaths, half of whom were murdered in custody, by the US Milt.
Just 7% of all detainees were picked up by US Milt, while the 93% majority were paid for, with US bounty $ & no proof, which is why Cheney released over 500 Gitmo Detainees w/o trial or any convictions.
Anyone else reading the report or my post will note it's publication date: October 11, 2006 with valid data through July, 2006.
"Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates"
Mortality Trends Comparable to Estimates by Those Using Other Counting Methods i.e. Morgue Dead Body
Counts.
There are at least 1.3 Million additional dead Iraqis today I.E. 16,794 monthly deaths since March 2003 or 201,528 Annual 'Extra' or collateral deaths times 76 months = 1,276,344 unarmed women & Children blown away for Cheney's illegal faux oil war.
Including 654,965 more Iraqis that have died since hostilities began in Iraq in: *March 2003 through July 2006*
than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.
The deaths from all causes—violent and non-violent—are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html
GOP> Just 13% Solid core support shrinking, sinking & Stinking more daily... http://www.sodahead.com/question/244874/gallup-poll-shows-twenty-nine-democratic-states-with-only-five-republican-states-what-do-you-think/
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(-1) Truth
4:41PM May 31st 2009
pundip,
You think Giles stupid question was a touche? Only a moron like yourself could see merit in a moron like Giles. You're both a couple of deranged little girls who hate men. Barney Frank is the type of "man" you would appreciate.
As regards your "1.3 million Iraqi deaths". You are multiplying by the same monthly figure throughout the duration of the conflict, even though the number of deaths started dropping dramatically over two years ago, you lying sack of shit. You haven't backed up your number from the source YOU cited. There are no completely reliable numbers for civilian deaths. Some sources have the number at around 100,000.
Another fact you have been careful to avoid is that many civilians that died were killed by suicide bombers. In your defense, as if there really is one, you get your numbers from left wing anti-Bush "studies" that are skewed to look as bad as possible. They don't breakout the number of civilian deaths caused by Al Queda and the suicide bombers they used to target civilians. You don't have a single word of condemnation for the suicide bombers, who killed many thousands of civilians,INTENTIONALLY, because, like the sick leftists you quote, the only important thing is how you can use misinformation as propaganda.
You are off in your own warped, U.S. military hating world, just making up your own numbers. Your chimpish attempt at explaining yourself is convoluted and ridiculous. You will do anything to attack our own troops, but you cry a river over murderous terrorists in Gitmo.
Like I said before, you are a fool, and a goose stepper. You attack the military, but only because they aren't killing the people you think should die. Typical fascist/leftist fool.
You think Giles stupid question was a touche? Only a moron like yourself could see merit in a moron like Giles. You're both a couple of deranged little girls who hate men. Barney Frank is the type of "man" you would appreciate.
As regards your "1.3 million Iraqi deaths". You are multiplying by the same monthly figure throughout the duration of the conflict, even though the number of deaths started dropping dramatically over two years ago, you lying sack of shit. You haven't backed up your number from the source YOU cited. There are no completely reliable numbers for civilian deaths. Some sources have the number at around 100,000.
Another fact you have been careful to avoid is that many civilians that died were killed by suicide bombers. In your defense, as if there really is one, you get your numbers from left wing anti-Bush "studies" that are skewed to look as bad as possible. They don't breakout the number of civilian deaths caused by Al Queda and the suicide bombers they used to target civilians. You don't have a single word of condemnation for the suicide bombers, who killed many thousands of civilians,INTENTIONALLY, because, like the sick leftists you quote, the only important thing is how you can use misinformation as propaganda.
You are off in your own warped, U.S. military hating world, just making up your own numbers. Your chimpish attempt at explaining yourself is convoluted and ridiculous. You will do anything to attack our own troops, but you cry a river over murderous terrorists in Gitmo.
Like I said before, you are a fool, and a goose stepper. You attack the military, but only because they aren't killing the people you think should die. Typical fascist/leftist fool.
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