The Murder of Dr. Tiller and Common Ground on Abortion

"Though shall not commit murder", even of helpless unborn children. BUT, I wonder what the killers, all of them, would answer to the question, "you and Jesus are alright with this?"

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There was nothing innocent about this baby killer.

I agree with you yikesamom that abortion doctors are cold-blooded killers that would disgust Jesus with their hatred toward LIFE. Abortion doctors are not Christian, they are hate mongers, and I agree: "shame on them". I too am sad they murder innocent people and they feel brainwashed to do it. But, it is the people who protect them who are like the Taliban.

tell it to the babies he murdered. his murder was wrong, but let's be careful how we throw around the word "innocent." For he was not so. as a Christian, I don't condone abortion, therefore, I don't condone murder in general of the innocent. The operative word is "innocent." Murderers are not innocent. He was basically standing in the middle of an interstate highway waiting to be hit. God used the pagan Babylonians to conquer the Jews (God's Chosen People) for disobedience. Everyone loves to hail God as the God of love, which He certainly is. But He is also the God of obedience. It's all in the Bible. God punishes for disobedience, especially in His house. Tiller was parading as a Christian, while murdering babies. Does that sound like an obedient Christian? God may not have thought so...

To truly be pro-life is to have a respect for ALL life, no matter what your differing opinions may be. People may label themselves with that title but if their actions speak otherwise, then they are merely a wolf in sheep's clothing. To condemn the actions of the whole pro-life movement - a movement comprised of millions of people who work diligently for a cause they fervently believe in and who believe in peaceful demonstration and protest, is not just inaccurate but ignorant and harmful.

The killing of this doctor is tragic but he has killed countless babies. Yet you obviously condone that. Sad. I think that his killer will be judged just as he will be judged too. Murder is terrible but for a large segment of our society to allow it, makes them just as guilty.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Although murdering him is a heinous crime,and should absolutely be tried as first degree murder, with full prosecution, death penalty, et al, as it was certainly premeditated, and devastating to those who saw it---It really bothers me for these people calling this "victim" innocent-- reaching into a womans vagina, turning an innocent full term baby ready to be born around in the birth canal, slamming a sissor into the base of his neck, opening the opening that area with forcepts, and vacuuming out the brains as the baby writhes in absolute agony, kicking, jerking in agony, until the skull collapses, then discarding the baby--sometimes still alive without assisting with any "humane" pain management is most certainly heinous as well. These are babies who could survive outside the womb. No "innocent victim" would do this. But he is a victim of a crime. Law and order must prevail. Justice requires that we obey the law of the land. The man who killed this abortionist is most certainly a terrible murderer as well, and must be prosecuted as such. But, the cries that it was an innocent victim are far fetched. He, a vicious mentally unbalanced killer killed a vicious, heinous killer, and to call him an innocent victim is heinous and a disservice to true victims. But, again, the murderer of the murderer is still a murderer, and not a hero. It is kind of like a gang member killing another gang member, even if the killer was killing someone who had killed many people. Why does our culture cry so loud for his execution, when they protest against even stopping murders of innocents?
And now we have a president who requires doctors to commit abortion, regardless of their beliefs are.
Why does killing the innocent take on heroic place in our culture?
What kind of church was it that this heinous killer was allowed to attend? I do feel very sorry for him now--despite the horrible things he did-- he is where he will spend eternity writhing in pain, where the worm never dies. I wish he had time to repent, so it would not be so. But why are people so upset aobut him, when there is so little about the everyday thug who murders innocent victims in the street everyday?

abortion is murder.

The mass murdering abortion Doctor that took and oath to preserve life and chose not to. In describing law of the United States, which applies , his oath to get to be a doctor (first) or his practice under another law to make money. What makes anyone think this man did anything to preserve life when he was being paid to stop life, is that murder for hire??

I am sorry that this man lost his life, I am appauled that another man killed him,these things are bad, nothing good for anyone. I really feel sorry for those that try to suggest this is anything thing other than killers killing killers and those on either side again trying to figure some way to make money from it. Good job news media, sorry NO NICKEL for you from this I hope.

To pronounce ALL pro life people responsible for this mad man, is absurd.
No one ever deserves to have their life taken. I have never taken part in any pro life protest, but the ones seen on TV seem peaceful. I can't imagine that this person who shot Dr. Tiller was a sane pro life objector.

Very revealing Janine. Yyour arguments say that both abortion and gay rights should be subject to the majority.
Would your comments would stand also on inter racial marriage and dating? If you were to study history you would also see that inter racial marriages were against the will of the majority. If your premise is correct, the minority would always be subject to the will of the majority and hence no need for government at all, but then I bet that would suit you as well, right?

Oh yes, Janine. And maybe we can get enough "right-handed" people to vote on taking away the rights of "left-handed" people too, because anybody that isn't a part of the majority deserve NO RIGHTS at all. People like you have no clue, or you don't care to understand, that once the rights of one group are taken away, YOURS could be next. Wake up!

You really don't get it. Do you?

If you want "stability and peaceful co-habitation," then each person must be treated equally under the law. The views (and in your case bigotry and ignorance) of some must not dictate to all. The differences and choices of others must be respected. That's where the anti-choice zealots miss the boat. They think they have the right to dictate their beliefs on others. There will never be "stability and peaceful co-habitation" as long as one group feels that only their beliefs should prevail.

Stop trying to impose your beliefs on others. Mind your own business. That's the only way we can peacefully co-habitate.

When Dr. Tiller ("Mr. Tiller", as the fanatic Terry Newman sneeringly calls him in his post-murder press statement) was tried and was acquitted by the jury, the people spoke, Janine. You are dishonest in saying that your fanatics would be appeased if the question were put to a vote, and you know it. You previously said that if a group finds an act abhorrent then there will be violence. "Putting the act to a vote" has nothing to do with it: you did not say, "If a group finds an act abhorrent, then unless there is a vote, there will be violence", because you didn't mean that. Within a single paragraph you lie and then reveal your own lie. Just as your anti-choice group is unwilling to accept the rule of law, you are unwilling to accept an obligation to be truthful in discussing your beliefs. I'm not singling you out personally, but all of us who've debated this issue have encountered the same mentality. It is a mentality of moral relativism: "We will say or do anything, to get what we want. We can do this, because there is nothing more important to us than getting what we want." And of course it is impossible to "have a dialogue" in the normal sense, with someone who will willingly lie in the course of that dialogue. It is only possible to objectively assess that person's behaviour and intentions, and to take appropriate measures.

well said