The nation's capital is suddenly center court in America's loud argument over gay marriage. Nothing new about that, except that this time the battle is being hashed out in the streets, churches and living rooms in working-class wards of the city. While there is something poignant about both sides literally singing the same hymn ("We Shall Overcome") at its rallies, there is also something refreshing about the debate taking place in the unofficial part of Washington, D.C: For once, it's not partisan.
Get the new PD toolbar!That is not to say it's not a touchy issue. Gay marriage pits race and faith together in the same combustible conversation, and does so in a community in which both are sacrosanct subjects. The black Christian church predates emancipation by more than two centuries, and served as a bulwark against the pernicious effects of slavery, Jim Crow, alcohol and drugs, AIDS, poverty, crime, police brutality and bad schools.
In the face of all that, African-American pastors and their churches have offered up faith and love of family as twin defenses. Thus they have been an institution with a message that at its core is fundamentally conservative. And at the same time, it was from the pulpits of these very same black churches that emanated the commanding voices that demanded fundamental change to the old order. Make no mistake, the moral authority and raw political power of the civil rights movement was rooted in these self-same churches. And in that sense they were a liberating, as well as a stabilizing, force.
These contradictory forces of liberalism and conservatism have coexisted, not always easily, for centuries within the church. But gay marriage has opened a chasm in the black community, in which, to paraphrase (and modernize) Lincoln who, while speaking about the North and South during the Civil War, observed that each side reads the same Bible, prays to the same God, invokes His wisdom against the other – and belongs to the same political party.
In the local politics of Washington, the true power brokers are predominately black, monolithically Democratic and tuned into the religious sensibilities of their constituents. Thus, the discussion taking place here over gay marriage is really a series of conversations -- some within the black community and some within the Christian churches, and almost all of it within the Democratic Party. This is not altogether a bad thing. For starters, there's no Republican bogeyman, and for another, the race card is played to establish one's bona fides, not to stoke prejudice. Finally, the church-bashing rhetoric one finds in other places where this debate is taking place is muted here: Attacking the church would simply be a good way to lose the argument. And judging by the language being invoked by both sides, the stakes of this argument are high: Leaders of competing camps clearly believe that what unfolds here in unofficial Washington will be a harbinger for where this nation is heading on gay rights.
"The march towards equality is coming to this country, and you can either be a part of it or stand in the way," David Catania, one of two openly gay D.C. Council members, declared on May 5, as the council approved his pro-gay marriage measure.
"This is the Armageddon of the marriage debate," was the rejoinder offered by Bishop Harry Jackson, pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md., and author of a petition seeking to have the question put on the ballot for every voter in Washington. "It's a declaration of war."
On June 3, New Hampshire became the sixth state to legalize gay marriage. The sheer momentum of the issue seems inexorable, and not only to Catania. His bill simply states that marriages performed in other states shall be recognized in the District of Columbia. As a practical matter, this makes sense: The District is comprised of people who come from all 50 states. Shouldn't the marital status of those from other states be recognized? Yet Catania and his allies on the council weren't attempting to be practical; they were attempting to change the culture of the capital. If their bill becomes law, they stated, the obvious next step would be to offer measures making gay marriage legal in Washington.
And that's where Harry Jackson and his alliance of other black preachers came in.
"At one time, preachers were very powerful in this town as far as getting respect from elected officials like the (D.C.) Council," notes Henry A. Gaston, pastor of Johnson Memorial Baptist Church in Southeast Washington. "Today, however, it is as though they think we're asleep, but we will let them know we are fully alert."
Asserting that a majority of district residents are opposed to gay marriage, Jackson and Gaston have vowed to buck the City Council and stop Catania's proposal from becoming law. It would seem an uphill fight: First of all, there are many pastors on the other side of the issue. Secondly, Catania's bill passed the Council 12-1. But the key to understanding the politics of this controversy may be in the identity of the one, not the 12.
The dissenting vote was cast by Marion Barry, the former mayor who may want to be the future mayor. At 73 years of age, Barry has seen it all, and done most of it himself. He's known outside the city mainly for going to prison after being nabbed in a cocaine sting, but he was a civil rights worker as a young man and an early advocate of gay rights. He is also a cagey politician with an uncanny knack for divining the grievances of black Washingtonians. Barry knows that the pastors believe they are fighting for their relevance as well as their flocks; he knows of the social conservative inside many a Democratic-voting Baptist church lady; he knows that many blacks often bristle at the comparison between civil rights for racial minorities and gay demands that their unions be fully recognized as marriages. And he knows that a politician who gets too far out in front of the voters risks involuntary retirement.
"The African-American community is very conservative on this issue," Barry said recently in a radio interview. He estimated that 70 to 80 percent are opposed to gay marriage, adding that the number is higher in the religious community. "These Baptist pastors believe it's a sin," he said. "We're a democracy, as imperfect as it is...if you believe in representative democracy you listen to your constituents."
Barry recalled how, in 1971, he battled on the side of a gay teacher at McKinley Tech who wanted to keep his job. But Barry is convinced that in the minds of many, perhaps a large majority of the voters in his ward, there is a subtle, but important, distinction between sticking up for someone's right to a job and supporting church weddings for gays and lesbians.
Or, as Harry Jackson put it during a small rally he organized recently in Washington's Freedom Plaza, "There's a difference between civil rights and sacred rights. Marriage has been defined by God...so someone declaring it's a civil right is inanity."
Jackson and Barry have been denounced in some quarters as panderers to prejudice, but as Barry points out, correctly, his position is exactly the same as President Obama's. He's right about that, and he could have added to the list Hillary Clinton, Al Gore,and John Kerry, all of whom support civil unions but not marriage -- apparently believing that this is as far as politicians with national aspirations can prudently position themselves.
This lesson in realpolitik was learned the hard way by President Clinton in his first days in the White House. Back then, the gay rights issue that divided the country wasn't same-sex marriage -- Lordy, did that seem an exotic concept back then -- it was whether gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve in America's armed forces.
Clinton believed, naïvely, as it turned out, that he had the perfect man in place as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This officer, whom Clinton had inherited from George H.W. Bush, was a combat veteran of Vietnam, a four-star general, and a Republican. Best of all, he was African-American, meaning that he knew prejudice when he saw it. At least, that's how Clinton saw it. But Gen. Colin Powell surprised his commander in chief, and not pleasantly, when they met privately in the first days of the new administration.
"Mr. President," Powell said, "we're not with you on gays in the military."
Nonplussed by the use of that pronoun "we," and unfamiliar with military culture, Clinton backpedaled a bit. Powell had spoken as an Army officer, not as a leader of the black community -- at least that's what the president believed. Actually, Powell may have been speaking as both, as the nation learned last Nov. 4, when he cast his presidential vote for Obama.
The state of California has long been a trailblazer in expanding the definition of human rights and the bounds of social tolerance. Yet on Nov. 4, 2008, the same day that California and the nation voted into office an African-American president, voters in the Golden State approved Proposition 8, an amendment to the state Constitution stating that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."
Seven million Californians voted in favor of this proposition, with 6.4 million casting votes in opposition. For activists, the result was a bitter pill, and in their frustration over their defeat, gay rights advocates turned their rage on targets ranging from the Mormon Church to an unfortunate musical theater director who had contributed $1,000 to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign. But the hardest lesson for liberals to absorb was the unmistakable evidence from exit polls and precinct results showing that the same African-American voters who had flocked to the polls to support Obama had, while inside those voting booths, turned an overwhelming thumbs-down to gay marriage.
In some ways, the battle royal over gay marriage is a fight over who has title to that one dynamic word, "marriage." California has offered same-sex couples codified protection under domestic partnerships since 2000. Lawmakers in Washington, D.C., began taking those steps in 1992, and have increased the protection of domestic partners routinely since then. Yet, on Nov. 4, 2008 the future suddenly didn't seem written in stone. What appeared to be true, even to proponents of gay marriage, was that court fiats, Democratic Party platforms and big city council rulings in themselves won't be enough to win the day. Proponents of gay marriage must change minds if they are to prevail.
In Washington, that lesson has been taken to heart not so much by the 12 City Council members who cast predictable, politically correct votes, but by progressive pastors such as the Rev. Dennis Wiley of the Covenant Baptist Church in Washington. He's out to alter hearts and minds as well as laws, knowing that without a change of heart, the laws will sow discord and mistrust of government. And he's using faith and reason in an attempt to challenge venerable assumptions within his community.
"A lot of people will say God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Have you ever heard that?" Wiley said in a recent sermon. "If God didn't make Steve, who made Steve? Somebody had to make Steve. Why would God create someone of that orientation and then not allow them to have the same kind of opportunity for love, for relationships, for a healthy life as heterosexuals enjoy?"
And so the battle of ideas is joined. Rev. Wiley believes that ultimately his community will come around. He doesn't contest that the 70 percent opposition figure in the black community cited by Marion Barry – and confirmed in California – is wrong, exactly, but he believes it is soft opposition, and is therefore susceptible to reasoned argument as well as to appeals to faith from the liberal side of the divide.
Perhaps he's right. Or maybe, as Rev. Jackson and Bishop Gaston believe, the black church will prevail by doing what it has always done, championing the cherished and long-held values of African-American families. Gaston has raised the specter of Washington's children witnessing a parade of marriages between men or between women, and he expresses concern about the effects this would have on impressionable young people still forming their sexual identities. "Children go to such ceremonies," he said recently. "Children will be influenced into homosexual lifestyle."
To that argument, Dennis Wiley has a reply. "It is a much more healthy environment for children to be taught the truth: That everybody's not alike – that people are different."
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Back in the early 1960's, a twelve year old school friend and I had several same sex experiences. My friend made the first move and what he did to me felt so good I wanted him to do it to me again. But he refused, unless I returned the favor. I didn't like doing that and each time I did it I liked it even less. Then one weekend, my friend ejaculated for the first time. That was it for me, I could take no more. We halted our "special fun" but even then, I could see a fundimental difference between him and me. He found a boyfriend and I became interested in girls. We remained friends and I kept his secret. Back in those days, being "Queer" could get you hurt much more than it would today, both mentally and physically. It could even get you thrown in jail or a mental institution. Homosexuality was considered to be a mental illness. Then there were the Stonewall riots in the late 60s, which sparked the gay rights movement. The gays wern't going to take being pushed around any more. Raiding a gay bar could start a riot. Broken windows, fires, overturn police cars set ablaze. Things change....somewhat. Then, in the early 70s I read an article in the paper about homosexual seagulls. Apparently, homosexuality wasn't limited to human beings. The assumtions mental health experts had, when actually tested scientifically, didn't pane out. Homosexuality was dropped by the medical associations as a mental illness. As the 70s continued, I continued to read of homosexuality discovered in more and more animals: sheep,goats, wild deer, moose, chimpanzees, dolphins and not only mammals but in reptiles and, as it turned out, in many more speices of birds than those first leasbian seagulls. Through my childhood friend I made friends with other gay people. When my wife and I got married, I discovered she had a few gay friends as well. Her friends met my friends and a few hooked up together. Some seemed to change partners every couple of weeks but others have stayed together for as long as 30 years now. Together for more years than even my wife and I have been married. Some couples regard themselves as married too. Several have even had churcch ceremonies. One couple married in a Methodist Church, another couple in a Episcopalian Church and three couples in a Unitarian Church and one Wiccian couple by a Wiccan priestess, also at the same Unitarian Church. The first of these church weddings happened in the mid 70s, though, of course, they have no legal recognition, no legal benifits, but all of them say they feel married before their God. So, its not a religious thing with these homosexuals,they already have that and no law can stop a minister from performing such ceremonies if the choose do do so; but it is a legal thing, a medical rights thing, a property rights thing, all the rights that my wife and I enjoy that they do not. You can call it "Domestic Partnership, you can restrict a Government marriage license to these people, but they are getting married anyway, ministers have been performing these ceremonies for almost 40 years now, secretly in most cases, publically in others, but you can't stop these folks from getting married.....one way or another.
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Scotty
11:26AM Jun 15th 2009
benne841 First of all, not all churches will perform gay weddings. If a church believes and allows gay marriage then so be it ... cool. but as far as the legal side of marriage - gays are trying to manipulate this whole issue! Re: medical, property rights - these can all be settled with a simple addition to our current rules - ie: hospitals allow registered partners to visit their sick partner - ie: property rights - GET A WILL! should have one no matter what! Regarding medical insurance, tax breaks and other rights a married couple get i think gays should NEVER get them! Why? Let me first tell you why not? It's not because i dislike or hate gays. It's not because i don't think gays fall in love. It's not because i'm a Christian fundamentalist and the bible tells me gays are evil. .............. It's because i simply do not see gays meeting the criteria for why we gave rights to married couples - and that is because we as a country many years ago decided that the family has value in our society and our society decided that raising and keeping a family together involves giving them rights which makes it easier to stay together and be a positive component of society. First counter argument by gays to this is: not all heterosexual married couples have kids or could have kids even if they want to - my reaction - they are the exceptions ... it happens with most laws. It is illogical to say that b/c there are exceptions then we need to let gays marry. Another bothersome argument for gay marriage is the "we love each other" argument. Now i do believe in love and think it's wonderful if you find love for anything or anyone - however, remember the legal part of marriage? the state never asks you if you love your spouse during the ceremony! they ask if you want to join in a legal contract. That's it! the state doesn't officially and legally recognize love! it's a legal contract that the state provides. you already stated that gays have been married in churches for years. i assume that LOVE is a big part of the ceremony in churches ,,, with vows and ministers certainly talking about how these 2 people love each other ... and i think that's great. as far as insurance goes ... if a married couple has kids then they will have increased medical costs ... this is a no brainer. WE, the people, have decided to allow these couples a break in their taxes and they are allowed family insurance rates. i do recognize that there are those exception couples out there who do not have kids but still we, the people, have agreed that this is ok. (as a note: if gay couples do have kids i think they will become another exception group ...) ... but 2 guys living together who can never have children within their monogomous relationship ............... THEY DESERVE NO TAX BREAK, INSURANCE BREAK! if they are in love then wonderful - congrats - well done - applause! but b/c you are in love doesn't mean you pay less than a single person! why should you? you should both be at work and getting insurance through work. that's all for now ...
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the pulpit
7:48AM Jun 15th 2009
Lets call for a Jim Crow Law referendum. Let the public vote if Negros should have the same equal rights as other folk. Can you guess the outcome? I can!!! In essence, get to the back of the bus-boy!
How quickly WE Negros forget! My people should be much more concerned about lil Malik and Tamika who attend repeatedly failing(AYP) schools; read below basic and 2 grades below in math comprehension; to include lil Malik high probability of incarceration because he's more likely to commit or become a victim of homicide; and if that doesn't do it, he's more likely to contract HIV/AIDS, or succumb to the multiple baby daddy epidemic; and non skilled and undereducated. And the list continues on and on!
I don't see nor hear pastors marching nor radio broadcasting solutions to these major issues within Black communities. I hate to say it, but my people are headed for Self Destruction. And they're concerned about Gay Marriage?
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benne841
8:23AM Jun 15th 2009
Well, perhaps the old black civilized culture is heading for destruction. It's been heading in that direction for a number of decades. There is a black subculture growing to take its place but its anything but civilized, for it equates an education as "acting White." If a civilized viable black culture dosn't survive and grow rather than weither and die, "acting White" might be the only course to take to aquire a good middle class life, if such might be possible in this Brave New World. But such a culture is going to have to change with the continuing advances of a technological world, a more deverse world, a much less religiously homogenous world. We are going to increasingly have many, many very different communities with very different was of thinking and living....the only thing holding us together a single Constitution promoting freedom and those freedoms must expand or there is going to be serious trouble.
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ebertmadwoman
3:29AM Jun 16th 2009
the pulpit, hear, hear, I second that! I agree wholeheartedly, not only for the black community, but for all of us!
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workergy
8:53AM Jun 15th 2009
Hey I am not a bigot. I am gay. I do not want to get married but can't understand all the fuss about it. If someone wants to get married they should be allowed I have a lot of friends that want to but can't. They keep hearing the same arguements from the straight community...Well the next thing they will want is to marry their dog, they are perverts, they want to turn our children gay. It is getting old. So the Bible tell s us it is a sin, well so is adultry, so is not marrying a virgin, as a matter of fact they say stone her if she is not a virgin...yeah that would go over big. I pay the same in taxes as the next guy I support myself never been on welfare. In thins state ion the country of rights I can be fired froma job, kicked out of my apartment, not allowed to donate blood, and the list goes on. I use to support all the orginaztions that everyone supports but one by one they don't support me. So I have stopped fighting the battle it is frustrating when you try to do the right thing then when people find out you are gay you get slammed. I have been bashed , my car vandleized, been harrassed at work, I have stood by the black community when they were being denied the same rights. Well it is a fight I won't be fighting any more. If I am looked at like a person who is not human then I will live my life and not see the people around me. If you think for one minute I will ever contribute money, stand up for my fellow man think again I am tired of fighting a battle that so m any have faught and lost. For those of you that think we can't get married well I know alot that enter into sham marriages for the reasons you fight . The gay community has alot to offer but the ones that scream the loudest only see one issue, sex funny thing is I don't care how one has it as long as it is in the privacy of your own place. And for all the gays I know not one wants to marry their dog , brother,sister. So till I am given the same rights I will no support any organization that won't support me !
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boarderthom
9:13AM Jun 15th 2009
Compare and contrast; one of my high school english teachers drilled that into my head. Compare and contrast: Slave rights and gay rights; the contrasts are easy, the comparisons are profound. Slaves could not get legally married either. They could not create and sign contracts, and what is marriage mostly (legally speaking) but a huge contract with thousands of rights and responsibilities. Navanethem Pillay, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights spoke there last year saying, "That just like apartheid laws that criminalized sexual relations between different races, laws against homosexuality are increasingly becoming recognized as anachronistic and inconsistent both with international law and with traditional values of dignity, inclusion, and respect for all." Apartheid: A system of laws applied to one category of citizens in order to isolate them and keep them from having privileges and opportunities given to all others. Stop gay apartheid.
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ajp1943
10:29AM Jun 15th 2009
This should be interesting to watch. The blacks are the most reliable voting bloc of the Dems and the left. They even support a party that works against their own interests, like school vouchers, yet they keep on supporting Dems. Now that gay marriage is one of the corner stones of the left/lib/Dem alliance, it will be interesting to watch how this cabal will address the black's almost universal dislike of gay marriage. Will they attack them with the same viciousness that that attack others that disagree with them? Any white person that is against gay marriage is bashed and trashed in the worst way. But attacking blacks is going to pose a very different problem for the leftists, lib and Dems. Blacks are usually exempt from any form of criticism as it is not PC to disagree with any black. Quite a problems for the gay right crowd.
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benne841
6:52PM Jun 15th 2009
I have had conversations with several black and white Christians and it seems one of their major concerns is the belief that, if gay marriage is legalized, their churches will be forced to accept gays and marry gays in their own churches, much like religious institutions who rejected blacks from their congregations and universities for religious reason. Bob Jones comes to mind as an example of this, though there have been a number of others. If a church can be forced to accept blacks, if their Bibical interpretations reject such mingling, would they not be forced to accept and marry gays? This seems to be an even greater concern in black churches because their was, and in some cases still is, an alliance between homosexual and black civil rights causes which can be traced all the way back to the Black Renasance. In the early part of the 20th century, the only place white gays could achieve a measure of safety and acceptance was in the black community. If the matter of forced acceptance of gays in religious institutions were rectified, I think things would advance a little smoother. Just as resistance to black equality took time, so it is with the gay community. Over the decades, gays have become more accepted, the young more accepting than the old. As time goes by the old fade away and the young grow older, take charge and society advances. I know it can be very frustrating to gays, just as Jim Crow was frustrating with blacks, things seem to move a lot slower when YOU are the ones directly effected. And so it goes...
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HUNNER
10:32AM Jun 15th 2009
Marion Barry said recently in a radio interview. "We're a democracy, as imperfect as it is...if you believe in representative democracy you listen to your constituents." - - - - - - Therefore if the consitutents express views that are unconstitutional, is the representative supposed to eneact unconstitutional laws? If in a certain district, the voters believe in restricting the rights of blacks, it is right to exact laws restricting the rights of blacks?
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exnyorker
10:37AM Jun 15th 2009
I guess then if all of a sudden, the majority of people decided that black people should not be able to marry white people, interracial marriage could be outlawed like same sex marriage. Imagine a law that states that only people of the same race could marry.
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benne841
7:19PM Jun 15th 2009
Yeah, I had the same reaction. His reasoning is rather lame. Perhaps he's back to sucking on that crack pipe.
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teganmcdonough
10:33AM Jun 15th 2009
Workergy, notice I post under my Given name. No hiding here. The only problem I have with Gay Marriage, is that Non-Gay's will abuse it, and children. Gay Marriage will allow Pedophiles to claim they are Gay, get married, and then adopt. It's sad but true that it has probably already happened. I don't to make their crimes any easier. There has to be another way to give Gay couples equality. I'm straight, but have openly Gay people in my family.
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BRIAN
10:53AM Jun 15th 2009
I have never replied to a thread on aol before but yours is the most ridiculous I have seen. A pedophile would pretend to be gay so they can get married and adopt and abuse kids??? Most pedophiles are straight and can therefore get married, if they aren't already. Or they could pretend to be anything in order to abuse kids. And not all pedophiles abuse children of the same sex. That's your issue with gay marriage? Maybe your gay family members can educate you on what being gay is since you haven't been paying attention.
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Sabrina
11:01AM Jun 15th 2009
You are so right, but I dont think even gay people have thought about it. All I can say is BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR
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repukeslie7
10:34AM Jun 15th 2009
Former Black mayor, Barry said, in opposing gay marriage, "We're a democracy, as imperfect as it is...if you believe in representative democracy you listen to your constituents." ============ In 1882, the Supreme Court upheld the right of the state to jail a person for having sex with a partner of another race. They said, "The evil tendency of the crime of adultery or fornication is greater when committed between persons of the two races ... Its result may be the amalgamation of the two races, producing a mongrel population and a degraded civilization, the prevention of which is dictated by a sound policy affecting the highest interests of society and government." (Pace & Cox v. State, 69 Ala 231, 233 (1882) Sorry Mr. Barry, all that coke you snorted has caused serious brain damage. The bigoted views of a majority cannot supersede the rights of a minority. The courts will eventually bear this out.
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rebelesq
10:37AM Jun 15th 2009
The group might be different, but the cause is the same...equal rights under the law. The right to vote, sit on a bus, drink from a water fountain, own property, and marry...those are civil rights....not religious rights. Time to step back and get some perspective.
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dejeve
10:39AM Jun 15th 2009
I would be on board for Equal to marriage Civil unions (as almost any person is) BUT marriage is a church thing so i can't condone that. Sorry if my freedom of religion is bothersome to you...
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exnyorker
10:51AM Jun 15th 2009
Excuse me, but isn't it legal and recognized to get married by a justice of the peace or even a notary, without having a RELIGIOUS ceremony and RELIGIOUS marriage? Are you mis-stating that in America, marriage is only a religious institution? Do you know what you are talking about? I am sorry if my doubting of your intelligence offends you but I think you are dumber than a sack of rocks, Cupcake.
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Sabrina
11:21AM Jun 15th 2009
Well I think you need to re-evaluate your assessment sweetie-pie. But be my guest to have a notary marry you, o please I beg you too. And make sure he stamp your forehead with his seal. I think you just showed your ignorance honey. Please dont throw stones for your are living in a fiberglass house. Dont bash those who disagree with you we have a right to our opinions, also.