Wiesel below, you are proven laughably & deceivingly inaccurate at best, once again!

Dispute the World renowned PEER REVIEWED MET climate science links below, not your too well known bait & switch routines!

1) The Majority of Humans LIVE on today's coastline & can't live where we do now when melted ice raises Sea levels 300 FEET! LMAO What is your plan? To get a boat?, dog paddle? Non swimmers just drowned? & float LMAO!

2)!(You also know that the weather Conveyor that we discussed will take thousands of years to restart!)

3) Why did the KT Boundary occur exhibiting fossil's proving the 99% Extinction of all life from the RAPID decreases in O2 levels with corresponding methane increases!

4) Mutate or DIE that's your failed plan?

5) Domestic Renewable Energy isn't dependent on well proven Climate Change, but negates your idiotic $1 Trillion+ spent on just your faux Iraqi oil war, ultimately costing US $4.3 Trillion in survivors, medical for the dying & 400,000+ wounded, Widow/er death benefits, etc and not including the thousands of lives cut short & lost!

Support our troops Wiesel...

Any Global Warming doubters still remaining, dispute This!, obvious scientific proof of today's Global Warming from: The worlds foremost climatology experts & most accurate data used by ALL weather services, worldwide: MET excellently displayed Temperature over time data & link.

1780 Co2 was 280 PPM +1/4 PPM@year
1960 Co2 was 330 PPM +1 PPM@year
1990 Co2 was 360 PPM +1.5 PPM@year
2008 Co2 was 385 PPM +2 PPM@year
Q1 3/30/09 2009 Co2 is 386 PPM +2 PPM@year

Note the linear increasing trendline ^+2 PPM@year will very soon be +2.5 PPM@year if not already, then rise +3 PPM@year in the next decade & +4 PPM@year by the end of the next decade, if not sooner.

These were very FAR 'Too Conservative' estimates, which unfortunately proved a +9 degree Temp rise by 2100 as Glaciers were melting -1/2 meter per year in 2006, but now are melting at an astounding -1.5 meters per year! (See link above that we discussed)

NASA Chief Climatoligist, James Hanson's undisputed data set above proves that at current rates, by 2050 (or 2035 as has been increasing!) Co2 will be = 500+ PPM
Oceans were 300 feet higher last time this occurred on earth as ICE vanished back into the sea, raising all ocean sea levels...

Note the temperature increase since the 1780 Fossil fueled Industrial age began, also exactly corresponding to NOAA Chief James Hanson's above data set! http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/

IS the globe REALLY COOLING?!, Please see any PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/projections/ or the MET chart displayed above in the global Temp charts! or http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6320515.stm explaing the Peer Reviewed globally accepted Scientific Methodology illustrated with the diagrams above, including maps of differences between the current climate, conventionally defined as 1960–1990, and the climate of the end of the world's ice, leading to the inevitable 300 foot ocean sea level rise scenario before the 22nd century, taken to be 2070–2100.

Clean Renewable Energy ends these problems before they end us! No believers, do you have a boat yet?

Pundit:

I will try not to insult you or to embarrass you for your lack of depth. But, where does one begin with someone like you, who obviously lacks any scientific knowledge of the subject and who believes only what you can cut and paste from articles that support your position?

I will try to keep my response brief.

In possibly the world’s most politically partisan forum, the UN, more than five hundred of two thousand scientists have reversed themselves, and no longer accept “Man Made Global Warming.”

Peer reviewed or not, by roughly a ratio of ten-to-one, apolitical scientists around the world attribute climate change to “natural cycles” including Sun Spot activity.

Your theory does not explain why the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today -- 4400 PPM. According to the greenhouse theory to which you subscribe, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, when CO2 levels were at their highest, global temperatures were no warmer than today or often lower.

Over time, seas will likely rise (and fall), as they have done for millions of years before man burned fossil fuels.

In February, 2008, a report from Daily Tech stated “But now, anecdotal evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.”

In February, 2008 “New scientific studies suggest a trend that may have started in the late 1990s. The earth may be cooling. The Hadley Centre for Climate Change, part of the UK Met Office, tracks global temperature and shows a big drop in global temperature anomalies since January 2007. Based on the HadCRUT3 system of observed temperatures, global surface temperature anomalies have been trending down since 2001. January 2008 had the coldest anomaly since 1995.

One hundred twenty thousand years ago, sea levels were 20 feet higher than they are today. Was Neanderthal Man, or Anglia Man responsible for that, as well?

Your knowledge of science is weak, but your theories are entertaining. And, BTW, I don’t live on the coast and I don’t own a boat.

When this co2 level was last reached on Earth the oceans were 300 feet higher because polar ice was non-existant due to the "greenhouse effect" i.e. Global Climate change.
http://www.earthsky.org/teachers/article/ancient-ice-indicates-recent-and-rapid-co2-rise
(add h) ttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8369
(add h) ttp://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/climate-impact-of-quadrupling-co2 http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090402_seaice.html

Denial of the obvious won't change the runoff results from the current 99% glacier meltdown, combined with today's ancient melting permafrost now releasing Methane, which is 28 times more Greenhouse gas destructive than Co2...

LONDON, England (CNN) -- The first comprehensive report into the human cost of climate change warns the world is in the throes of a "silent crisis" that is killing 300,000 people each year.

More than 300 million people are already seriously affected by the gradual warming of the earth and that number is set to double by 2030, the report from the Global Humanitarian Forum warns.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/05/29/annan.climate.change.human/index.html?iref=werecommend

Average glacial shrinkage has risen from 30 centimetres per year between 1980 and 1999, to 1.5 metres in 2006. Some of the biggest losses have occurred in the Alps and Pyrenees mountain ranges in Europe.

Experts have called for "immediate action" to reverse the trend, which is seen as a key climate change indicator.
Estimates for 2006 indicate shrinkage of 1.4 metres of 'water equivalent' compared to half a metre in 2005. Achim Steiner, Under-Secretary General of the UN and executive director of its environment program (UNEP), said:

"Millions if not billions of people depend directly or indirectly on these natural water storage facilities for drinking water, agriculture, industry and power generation during key parts of the year.

"There are many canaries emerging in the climate change coal mine. The glaciers are perhaps among those making the most noise and it is absolutely essential that everyone sits up and takes notice.

Litmus test: He said that action was already being taken and pointed out that the elements of a green economy were emerging from the more the money invested in renewable energies.

Mr Steiner went on: "The litmus test will come in late 2009 at the climate convention meeting in Copenhagen. "Here governments must agree on a decisive new emissions reduction and adaptation-focused regime. Otherwise, and like the glaciers, our room for manoeuvre and the opportunity to act may simply melt away."

Dr Ian Willis, of the Scott Polar Research Institute, said: "It is not too late to stop the shrinkage of these ice sheets but we need to take action immediately." The findings were compiled by the World Glacier Monitoring Service which is supported by UNEP. Thickening and thinning is calculated in terms of 'water equivalent'. Glaciers across nine mountain ranges were analysed.

Triftgletscher glacier in Switzerland Glaciers have been monitored for more than a century, Dr. Wilfried Haeberli, director of the service, said: "The latest figures are part of what appears to be an accelerating trend with no apparent end in sight.

"This continues the trend in accelerated ice loss during the past two and a half decades and brings the total loss since 1980 to more than 10.5 metres of water equivalent." During 1980-1999, average loss rates had been 0.3 metres per year."

Since the turn of the millennium, this rate had increased to about half a metre per year.

Climate change — frequently asked questions of the preeminent Worlds Meteorological Association: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/faqs/#faq

The record annual loss during these two decades - 0.7 metres in 1998 - has now been exceeded by three out of the past six year (2003, 2004 and 2006). http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/glaciers_melting.htm

The Earth's climate is a complex, non-linear system. You know as well as I that NO LINEAR MODEL CAN ACCURATELY FORECAST A NON-LINEAR SYSTEM! I suggest you look up Edward Lorenz - he can explain why no computer (no matter how powerful) can model the Earth's climate. Geez - you eggheads can't reliably predict the local weather 5 days in advance, what makes you think (other than pursuit of government grant funding) you can predict the Earth's climate?

NASA:The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008.

NASA: 2008 was the ninth warmest year since 1880!
Global Temperature Trends: 2008 Annual Summation

"In our analysis, 2008 is the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880 (left panel of Fig. 1). The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008." http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/

"GISS Surface Temperature Analysis
Global Temperature Trends: 2008 Annual Summation

1) While the oceans actually trap & scrub Co2 from our atmosphere, decreasing Co2, which is why the acidity of the ocean has risen to the point where;

'Plankton our number one supplier of OXYGEN & 70% of our O2 SOURCE, whose skeletons are now too brittle to survive basic tidal actions! look up Ocean Acidity over time, and see for your self!

The ocean's acid test: Changes society is forcing on the ocean may be larger than any inferred from the geologic record of the past 300 million years. And it's already underway! http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/acid-test/the-oceans-acid-test

Marine life faces 'acid threat' Science Reporter, BBC News The shells are weakened by acidic water Mussels can become stressed by increases in acidity.

Man-made pollution is raising ocean acidity at least 10 times faster than previously thought, a study says. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7745714.stm
2) The US DARPA developed Internet was privatized by Clinton, through $1B championed by VP Gore, leading to many of the 22.7 M jobs created by '42's admin. I cite this as proof in response to hypocrites who say that ACES Cap & trade costs families just $110-$175 per year or 5 big macs per pwerson beginning in 2016!

3) Fantasy> "The last ten years have actually been cooler."

Then Why have the record 10 hottest years in 6000 years of history all been since 1990? Please provide unbiased linked proof as I have throughout this thread! Co2 has risen 50%+ since the industrial age began in 1780 i.e:

Today's Cap & Trade legislation grants polluters like coal FREE 'credits' for trading in a new $2B Free Market 'trade' economy costing at most $30 per person per year beginning in 2016!

6000 BC to 1780 AD co2 = 280 PPM unchanged for 8,000 years.

Untrue claims of no Co2 rise are also bogus in that when the industrial revolution began in 1780 & since 6000 B.C the stableized Co2 = 280 PPM.

1780 Co2 was 280 PPM +1/4 PPM@year
1960 Co2 was 330 PPM +1 PPM@year
1990 Co2 was 360 PPM +1.5 PPM@year
2008 Co2 was 385 PPM +2 PPM@year
Q1 3/30/09 2009 Co2 is 386 PPM +2 PPM@year

Climate change — frequently asked questions of the preeminent Worlds Meteorological Association: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/faqs/#faq

Global Warming is in reality accelerated by manmade activity, primarily derived from Fossil fuel's explosive use since 1780! http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/projections/

Specifically I cited i.e. METoffice.gov, NOAA.gov & James Hanson, NASA.gov et al, UNEP.org/CNN link!, Daily Climate, European Space Agency (ESA), European Union, Earth Sky, etc! http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/

Earth's Climatologists running the best super computer climate predictors http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6320515.stm all conclude that MET offers the best predictive algorithms as used world wide for the most accurate global accuracy in climate weather past present or future trend estimates!

IF you want 100% weather predictability, then you need to fund 3 meter accuracy world wide! Computationally we are ready and the models have been continually improved honing even greater predictability!

The Per Reviewed Data includes: 680,000+ years of ancient atmospheric Ice data combined with hundreds of thousands of years of other Atmospheric, Geologic & Oceanic Data from numerous sources easily laid out for your review with subset links

At A minimum I hope that you would at least explore these links illustrating methodology, forecasting & accuracy as I cited Per Reviewed Data from numerous world renowned sources, all are in unanimous agreement with over 90% of Earth's scientists i.e., Global Warming is in reality accelerated by manmade activity, primarily derived from Fossil fuel's explosive use since 1780! http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/projections/

Specifically I cited i.e. METoffice.gov, NOAA.gov & James Hanson, NASA.gov et al, UNEP.org/CNN link!, Daily Climate, European Space Agency (ESA), European Union, Earth Sky, etc! http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/

Earth's Climatologists running the best super computer climate predictors http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6320515.stm all conclude that MET offers the best predictive algorithms as used world wide for the most accurate global accuracy in climate weather past present or future trend estimates!

IF you want 100% weather predictability, then you need to fund 3 meter accuracy world wide! Computationally we are ready and the models have been continually improved honing even greater predictability!

The Per Reviewed Data includes: 680,000+ years of ancient atmospheric Ice data combined with hundreds of thousands of years of other Atmospheric, Geologic & Oceanic Data from numerous sources easily laid out for your review with subset links not posted here as well!

The report, titled "Human Impact Report: Climate Change -- The Anatomy of a Silent Crisis" comes just six months before the United Nations Climate Conference in Copenhagen to forge a post-Kyoto climate agreement for 2012 and beyond.

IS the globe REALLY COOLING?!, Please see any PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE or the MET chart displayed above in the global Temp charts disputes your claim as the models involve 30 year data sets eliminating errors potentially due to our suns 11.5 solar cycles! When you cite a single year, location or non- peer reviewed data, it only questions 'assuming' credibility!

If you prefer the word document VS the CNN unep.org link as Cited: www.unep.org/cpi/briefs/2009Jun04.doc. I as always look forward to your "Peer Reviewed" citations with links only, not errant abstracted data elements!

Sen. Franken is certain to complete his term, will not bailout early to ensure a $7M Book deal, before running with Tina Fey as POTUS or Vice-POTUS in 2016!

MN. (D)Sen. Franken is the very informative best selling (Actual) Author of Lies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right, Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot, The Truth (with jokes) & Oh, the Things I Know! And was the life long friend of the late great MN.(D)Sen Paul Wellstone!

Sen. Al helped the sole surviving, non- flying son recover following the mysterious plane crash killing Paul & the remaining Wellstone family, including Paul, his wife, Daughter, other son, lifelong family friends who were also campaign aids & pilots, just weeks before the Iraqi invasion vote to mandate & authorize UN approval for such unprecedented US Preemptive Iraqi "Bush Doctrine" action, long opposed by Sen. Wellstone, until his untimely death wiped that out!

Pauls Son, was obviously too shattered to run following his entire family's death, just weeks before the election catapulted Coleman into the spot as a lone contender.

The Tibetan Dalai Lama thought that the book; 'Lies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right' was uproariously funny & accurately informative as well!

Finally! Democrat w/ facts to back up what we know is true!

Kudos Mr. Franken for a great book that is both entertaining and informative.

The one thing that dems have lacked for the longest time is facts to back up what we know is true.

Mr. Franken shows that we can support our positions and also shows how the right usurps the media by default due to the media's laziness.

There were so many things that I had simply accepted that I heard was true because I had heard them on the news and had seen them in print.

This book shows us that we need to really check the big claims by the right, because as history shows, they tend to be big lies. On top of all the eye-opening facts, it is also smart-ass funny.

Sen Al is one of the most accurately well informed people you may ever hear speak, as was demonstrated daily via Al's Airamerica radio program that beat rush's butt into the ratings until Al resigned for the Senate race 2 years ago, that he apparently won via 3 recounts, 3 court challenges and an 8 month very well funded RNC/GOP REP obstructionist delay in our US democracy!

Despite Coleman's RW faux cadre of: RNC, rush, inHannity, Bill 'O', Ingrahm, Crowley, Levin, etc uninformed claims, Norm NEVER had an HONEST challenge following the legally mandated recount, that ALWAYS included bi-partisan verified ABSENTEE ballots confirmed to be uniquely & legally cast and that were not mailed AFTER the ELECTION deadline as Coleman long insisted that he wanted counted as "Legit?"! http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/minnesota

Welcome Aboard 60th (D)Sen. Al, following America's and your long nightmare "Recount" culminating in a super majority, although Dems & Indy's do not move in lockstep as RW ideologues always do!

Quid Pro Quo: Democracy & America WON again after lame REPUBLICAN obstructionists defeated for stalling the Sen Franken victory!

CLIMATE: 60 Senate Democrats on track for victory!

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. June 18-21, 2009. MoE ± 3.5 (for all adults)

"Do you think the federal government should or should not regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources like power plants, cars and factories in an effort to reduce global warming?"

*> 6/18-21/09 Should 75% Should Not 22% Unsure 3%
*> 4/21-24/09 Should 75% Should Not 21% Unsure 4%

Asked of those who answered "Should":
"What if it raised the price of things you buy? In that case do you think the federal government should or should not regulate the release of greenhouse gases?"

@> 6/18-21/09 should 80% Should Not 18% Unsure 2%

Have you also noticed that even the AOL HS online poll has dropped to 75% disapproval, exactly INVERSE of reality just like the old AOL Strew Polls that was on old AOL PM before the '08 Election!

I also noticed even more increased AOL approval for ACES here too! Democracy is over simply defined as; 'The Greatest good benefiting the greatest number' for the majority!

That is Exactly why we need $0 Fed cost ACES!

It's the same as the 1980/90 question displacing Typewriter jobs for the better faster cheaper well paying govt stimulated internet PC, Server, Mainframe Super Computer jobs?

As It's deficit neutral long term, like health care reform, built on the economy of scale & savings!

Big Pharma has already agreed to give 1/2 off medicine to seniors via '44's reform Vs. the Delay/w/Army no quantity discount scam, not supported by many, especially as true costs were suppressed but then emerged!

CBO, Germany, Scandinavia all show this as a 20% RE winner for them, insulating from oil's inevitable doubling & Tripling once again!

1.7M Green DOMESTIC renewable energy and Jobs as favored by 75% & 80% of those/us are willing to pay MORE in an effort to enable greater domestic energy supply...

Have you noticed the oil market's $70 plateaued trend reversal? -4% today at $64 Closed Friday - $2... I am sure you will note; rising unemployment...decreased future outlook.... but the Saudi's were targeting $70-$90 but couldn't get it up!

The Reality is we are committed to finally using less oil Vs 25% of the globes peaked supply via plug in hybrids, ethenol energy diversification that ACES provides... beyond the shrinking 3% domestic oil!

Bigoil Greed killed any hope of killing this Senate conference bill, even as Bozooil try's in vain to communicate "Oh OK, we'll all be good now.." sureeee suieeeeeee!

Good luck getting 103% of Rep's to filibusster R.E. jobs as fvored by 3/4!

34 in the senate are up for re-election & it is not good for the 29% approval reps vs over 1/2 Approval congressional & otherwise for the Dems! CBO proves at $110-$175 most don't care about the 5 big macs per person beginning in 2016,while 75%v do care enough win with all ACES!