Ria Misra

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The CIA Lied; Maybe Pelosi Was Right About Waterboarding

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I'll admit it. When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she wasn't informed of waterboarding, and in fact was lied to by the CIA about the practice, my journalistic instincts kicked in. It seemed too cloak and dagger, too spy vs. spy, and, above all, just too incredibly convenient to accept without a closer look.

I wasn't the only one who was a little suspicious. Indeed, some were more than suspicious and accused Pelosi of lying. House Republicans called for an investigation of Pelosi. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee even wrote a poem on the subject. But Pelosi didn't back down from the claim, and now the facts may be bearing her out. Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee say that CIA Chief Leon Panetta has admitted that since 2001, the CIA had deceived Congress.

What subjects the CIA had been lying about throughout the Bush administration are still unspecified, though Intelligence Committee member Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.) told The New York Times that "we wouldn't be doing this over a trivial matter." Given the timeline, however, it seems very likely to me that the lies could cover the use of torture on detainees, including waterboarding.

When Pelosi's allegations first came out, Panetta issued a strong statement to CIA employees denying that the CIA had been untruthful. He said, "It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values." That much, at least, Panetta got right -- lying to Congress was not only wrong, it was illegal.

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Rick

6:42PM Jul 9th 2009

Well lets all applaud that Miseria has come to the assumption that Nancy Pelosi is telling the truth, Now some other left wingnut get on here and tell Miseria what assuming does!!

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park457799

5:41AM Jul 10th 2009

Give me a break, Nancy (Botox) Pelosi is a liar and an idiot!

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moderate

6:51PM Jul 9th 2009

maybe they did. bush said they gave him faulty info. let's wait and see.

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higgdj7

7:06PM Jul 9th 2009

Ollie North lied, Dick Cheney lied, George Bush lied. CIA lie...Nah they wouldn't lie to US.

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Debby

7:20PM Jul 9th 2009

U need to pay more attention to actual news and not the left wing media orgasms,Ria.

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giles chauvin

7:31PM Jul 9th 2009

when nobody paid attention to left wing orgasms the only screw over that anybody got was a story about how saddam attacked on 9-11 because he had wmd's.

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robertmartin4

7:41PM Jul 9th 2009

I can deal with someone in the CIA telling a fib, and terrrorists getting waterboarded, so long as we don't have any US citizen injured or killed by a terroriest.

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rocksabound

10:44PM Jul 9th 2009

Problem is, dimbulb --- THAT sort of simplistic pseudo-"thinking" is actually COUNTERproductive to ITS OWN OSTENSIBLE OBJECTIVE!

The sort of thing engaged in by these sadists is actually calculated to produce MORE, rather than less, of the sort of thing you purport to "defend against".

Consider, for example:

Source: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - Integrated Regional Information Networks (IRIN)

Date: 08 Mar 2007
Iraq: Killings drive women to become suicide bombers

BAGHDAD, 8 March 2007 (IRIN) - Um Abdallah, 41, has a difficult task ahead of her - she has to learn how to use a gun and begin preparing for a day she believes is going to be one of God's forgiveness and revenge against foreign forces occupying her country.

"I'm going to be a suicide bomber in the name of God," Um Abdallah said. "I will be one of the Iraqis who will take revenge for all suffering that US and Iraqi militaries have caused in the past years and force them to leave the blessed land of Iraq.

"I know I will die but for a good reason. When I die I will be beside my loved ones who were killed without [good reason]," she added.

"I wasn't forced to be a suicide bomber. One day I woke up with this feeling, found the right person to help me to realise this dream and today I'm with five other women of different ages, preparing for the day of God's forgiveness," she said.

Um Abdallah is one of thousands of Iraqis who have lost their relatives in the past four years. Her two boys and one girl were killed during a US military attack in her neighbourhood.

"My husband was killed four months ago by Iraqi forces. Killed alongside him were my son-in-law and his two children. I cannot even remember how many bullets the children had in their bodies," she said.

She does not know exactly when she is going to detonate herself but she is sure she will be ready whenever she is asked.

More women are being encouraged to help the insurgency and sometimes even to become suicide bombers.

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rocksabound

10:51PM Jul 9th 2009

Then too, juxtapose THAT with the following:

Navy corpsman in Iraq killing case released from California brig

THOMAS WATKINS
Associated Press

SAN DIEGO - A Navy medic assigned to a Marine squad that was accused of kidnapping and murdering an Iraqi man less than a year ago was released from the brig Thursday, his lawyer said.

Seaman Recruit Melson J. Bacos, 21, pleaded guilty in October to kidnapping, and to conspiracy to kidnap and to make false official statements. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison, but a pretrial agreement capped that sentence at 12 months.

Bacos' attorney Jeremiah Sullivan III said the sentence was further reduced for good behavior.

Sullivan, who spoke via cell phone as he went to collect Bacos from a Navy processing station in San Diego, said his client was relieved to be free again. Bacos was released from the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar brig earlier in the day.

"He wants to hug his wife, he wants to hug his daughter," Sullivan said.

Bacos' Camp Pendleton-based squad was accused of kidnapping and murdering a 52-year-old Iraqi in the town of Hamdania in Al Anbar province on April 26. The men were arrested early in May and placed in confinement.

Five of the troops have made deals with prosecutors and pleaded guilty to reduced charges; three are still awaiting trial. One of the Marines originally pleaded guilty to murder, but later withdrew that plea and is now pleading not guilty.

Bacos, of Franklin, Wis., was the first of the eight men to strike a plea deal with prosecutors. During his guilty plea, Bacos spoke of his conflicting feelings as the killing took place, wrestling a desire to be accepted by Marine comrades against his training as a medic.

Prosecutors say the squad shot the Iraqi in a roadside hole and tried to cover up the killing to make it look like he was an insurgent.

"Why didn't I just walk away?" Bacos said in October. "The answer to that question was I wanted to be part of the team. I wanted to be a respected corpsman, but that is no excuse for immorality."

He went on to say, "I knew what we were doing was wrong. I tried to say something and then I decided to look away."

Bacos was a petty officer 3rd class at the time of the killing, but that rank was reduced as part of his punishment.

Sullivan said his client's pretrial deal ensured Bacos a good future. Provided the corpsman behaves well and testifies in upcoming trials, he may be allowed to stay in the Navy.

Sullivan said Bacos hopes ultimately to get a degree and go to medical school.

Bacos has emerged as a key player in the criminal case. According to testimony at several hearings, the sailor was the first to tell investigators that his squad had dragged a civilian from his home and shot him.

Three Marines from the squad - including the squad leader and two corporals -are headed to trial in the coming months.

Enough said?

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svfortuna

7:46PM Jul 9th 2009

Just a wild thought here-- perhaps we should wait til all the facts come out before deciding who lied to who-- if indeed anyone lied to anyone-- the Dems never saw an investigation of Repubs they didn't like-- and the reverse is true---- The United States Congress is the largest criminal enterprise in the US. The vast majority are bought and paid for-

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Willet

8:11PM Jul 9th 2009

Give us a break. Pelosi has been in the US Congress for over 20 years. If that's the best she can do, "the CIA lied", then it's time for her to pack it in and head off to the rest home.

This women is 71 years old. The only excuse she has for not knowing about torture is that she fell asleep during the briefing. She even tried to blame one of her staffers. I guess for either not waking her up or telling her about the briefing.

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Crandall

8:39PM Jul 9th 2009

By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith
January 23, 2008

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war.

It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.

In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.

President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).

The massive database at the heart of this project juxtaposes what President Bush and these seven top officials were saying for public consumption against what was known, or should have been known, on a day-to-day basis. This fully searchable database includes the public statements, drawn from both primary sources (such as official transcripts) and secondary sources (chiefly major news organizations) over the two years beginning on September 11, 2001. It also interlaces relevant information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches, and interviews.

Consider, for example, these false public statements made in the run-up to war:

•On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
•In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction — an analysis that hadn't been done in years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the White House hadn't requested it.
•In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
•On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
•On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase agreement "probably is a hoax."
•On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human sources to which Powell referred had provided false information. One was an Iraqi con artist, code-named "Curveball," whom American intelligence officials were dubious about and in fact had never even spoken to. The other was an Al Qaeda detainee, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, who had reportedly been sent to Eqypt by the CIA and tortured and who later recanted the information he had provided. Libi told the CIA in January 2004 that he had "decided he would fabricate any information interrogators wanted in order to gain better treatment and avoid being handed over to [a foreign government]."
The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the eve of the invasion.

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gene

7:24AM Jul 10th 2009

How do you explain the coments made by democrats? Please notice the dates.

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources—something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

“Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.

"Fateful decisions will be made in the days and weeks ahead. At issue is nothing less than the fundamental question of whether or not we can keep the most lethal weapons known to mankind out of the hands of an unreconstructed tyrant and aggressor who is in the same league as the most brutal dictators of this century."
Sen. Joe Biden (D, DE), Feb. 12, 1998

"It is essential that a dictator like Saddam not be allowed to evade international strictures and wield frightening weapons of mass destruction. As long as UNSCOM is prevented from carrying out its mission, the effort to monitor Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687 becomes a dangerous shell game. Neither the United States nor the global community can afford to allow Saddam Hussein to continue on this path."
Sen. Tom Daschle (D, SD), Feb. 12, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb. 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 18, 1998.

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

I ESPECIALLY LIKE THE COMMENTS BY PELOSI, KERRY, KENNEDY

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Crandall

8:47PM Jul 9th 2009

Oops!!! when Bush apologized on national television that they were misinformed and there was no stock pile of WMD's...

was that the best he could do?

Can anyone come up with a written or recorded report that the CIA definitely informed Pelosi about waterboarding....or is this a they said
she said scenario

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MackMorn

6:39AM Jul 10th 2009

The meetings are classified,Dumbo.Obama and Pelosi will only declassify material that show the terrorists being waterboarded.It's like the kangaroo courts of Saddam.Birds of a feather,flock together.

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alscotti57

9:35PM Jul 9th 2009

maybe pelosi should be waterboarded

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danielandrewdavi

9:56PM Jul 9th 2009

Ria Misra - nice jewish girl; why dont you do a story on the all israeli and american jews who supported Bush and the US torture policy? Oh that's right - Israel kills and torture palestians. You have zero credibility. who gave you this job? Let me guess a Jewish professor recomended you to a Jewish editor and viola! you are a writer. Oh when will Jewish media bias take a holiday?

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kikkikat3

9:59PM Jul 9th 2009

Hmmmmmm, Nancy Pelosie knows it all so she must not have been doing her homework. If she didn't know it was going on and others did. She knows, she doesn't know. She is a loves me, loves me not. A Speaker of the House a Flip Flopper. What they do best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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giles chauvin

10:14PM Jul 9th 2009

y'all all must have missed the news interview about the other senators that the cia said were at the same waterboarding meetings with pelosi.
one senator wasn't even a senator at the time,
one cia mediator claimed to be at the meeting doesn't have security clearance for that type of meeting...
the list goes on and on.

but what nobody should have missed was lt col. kviakovsky from pentagon military intel, doin' the talk show circuit during the run up to the war in Iraq
and saying that the bush cheney junta sent in new managers who purposely picked intel that the staff told them was erroneous and/or obsolete,
but they didnt care because it's the stuff that they needed to sell their scheme.

so now it turns out that in a new scheme to sabotage america, republican governors have diverted stimulus money from employment producing projects to instead pay off their state debts...then blame the slow job creation on obama.

somebody oughta check to see if stanford used some of the stim money to get his mistress an abortion.

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Truth

10:15PM Jul 9th 2009

Crandall,

The article you cited is meaningless if the CIA is lying isn't it. After all, Bush got his info from the CIA, just like Pelousi. In fact, the CIA must have lied to the Mossad, Russian, British, French, Italian, German and many other intelligence agencies because they were all convinced Saddam had WMDs too. Boy that CIA sure can lie. They're just a bunch of liars, like Valerie Plame (and her worthless husband).

You know, the CIA must really be dishonest if they can out lie a chronic liar like Pelosi. They must all be liberals!

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