There is no victory to be found there. That country has never had a strong national government and there really is nobody to surrender or defeat. At best we would have to stay there for many years trying to maintain the peace there. You can send you kids to die there for no reason and it's only your irrational hatred for Obama that stops you from seeing the truth. Well, its that and the defective genes that causes right wing extremism

Why should we try support a government that had close to a million illegal votes? There is obviously serious corruption there. In 8 years, Bush made no attempt to coerce the Afghan government to train their own military to fight this war. His focus was on the Iraqi oil fields. Afghanistan's government is in chaos now with the elections up in the air. Our government cannot make a further commitment there until it IS SURE that the new (or reelected) government supports RAISING AND TRAINING ITS OWN ARMY. This will be extremely difficult given the fact that these people have a tribal culture that does not recognize the central government as their leaders. You rePUKES can b1tch and moan all you like. Bush squandered the 8 years he had there and 94% of the Afghan people want us out of there because they just see us an occupying force. General McChrystal is talking about another TEN YEAR COMMITMENT, both financially and with our troops! We must carefully consider all of the options.

Vietnam was ultimately a political failure which was entirely caused by liberal politicians. The military was prevented from winning the war by the politicians.
Now Obama is doing the same thing.

North Vietnam nearly surrendered because of the devastating bombing that Nixon ordered. According to post war interviews with Ho Chi Minh, he was would have surrendered if the bombing kept up, but it was stopped due to the anti-war demonstrations in the U.S., and the rest is history. We lost because of the liberals. Now we are watching the liberals screw it up again!

have you not heard, according to Anita Dunn, the White house, has been controling the media, every aspect of the media, since during the campaign.

that is why they have a problem with FOX News, they refuse to be controled.

the media does not allow the Big ZERO to Blame Bush, but rather he instructs them to keep blaming Bush.

and in order to stand up to the plate, he would first need to understand what that means, as you said He "won", and he thinks that is all there really is to it.

as to his followers, they cannot see, with their heads so far up his ass, which is exactly what he wants.


Anita Dunn and Van Jones, both happen to have the same most favorite person, Mao Tse-tung amazing, just amazing.

and more to come.

As evidence that Afghanistan was under control, when did we ever hear, as we did daily before the surge in Iraq, that our forces were losing the battle in Afghanistan. We are hearing now of needing a similar surge in Afghanistan to regain control. You can't honestly tell me that things haven't gotten worse there since Obama's inauguration. Ross, it always amazes me how Libs constantly make reference to Bush and Cheney cronies becoming rich in Iraq and Afghanistan without any proof, and yet where is the outrage when your "annointed one" is making his cronies and union bosses rich by looting the American taxpayers, their children, and grandchildren.