U.S. Envoy Cautions Against More Troops in Afghanistan

Do what the Generals want/ Do what the Generals want/Do what the Generals want/Do what the Generals want/Do what the Generals want/ Do what the Generals want.

Seems this is the reframe from the ditto heads on the right. I might remind said ditto heads that the SURGE in Iraq was more political than any actual troop build-up, but they seem to think that the success of the surge was vindication for W's policy there.

Can anyone say Quagmire (part 2)

Karzai and company need to stop trying to destroy the Opium crops. Those crops are a big % of the CIA's black budget. If they lose that money, terrorism world wide will end.....George Sr. will be very disappointed!

Eikenberry is right. We don't need to prop up a corrupt government that is made up of tribal warlords whose agenda is to make their wallets fatter. Why aren't we spraying all the poppy farms? $$$$$$$$$$$$. There is nothing right about propping up a nation that gets it GNP out of selling heroin. The 1st goal was to get Osama. What happened to that?
Let us nor forget 9-11-01.
My heartfelt thanks to our service men, women and their families.

Its getting to be pretty obvious that Obama the campaigner is nothing remotely like Obama the CIC. He has fumbled so much with the Afghanistan War issue alone that who in his right mind could find his actions to date reassuring? I personally am of the opinion that Obama was elected by the left wing and he is now doing just what he did to pay off the unions with the faux jobs programs, he is abandoning Afghanistan by inaction. I believe this was his intention all along. Consider that he immediately tried to reframe our fight by no longer refering to it as the war on terror, he dimissed the generals in the field, brought in his own guy, asked for his opinions on how th win, then sat on his hands ever since while those recommendations go unaddressed. Now we are being swamped in the media with a slew of "classified" policy papers from every anti war correspondent, legislator, ambassador, and ex military advisor seeking to redefine our need to be in Afghanistan in the first place, and we're supposed to believe that Obama is seriously considering sticking with the fight? Not happening. Our troops will be removed, their sacrifices ignored anad some individual on the State department will solemnly declare a victory. Our enemies will rejoice, they willl have the recruitment boom on surrender provides, and we will likely have repeats of incidents enacted upon or troops like those we just saw in Ft Hood, Texas by other "alleged" muslim fanatics. We can't even say he did it yet, even though every piece of evidnece collected so far points towards his radicalization over the Internet and inside his mosque, the tried and true terrorist method of choice. Our President weighs in with a limited response when the obvious is staring him right in the face and only foolish PC media standards won't allow us to speak both clearly and bluntly on the subject. We are being led down the road to appeasement, and just as Neville Chamberlain found to his dismay, its a fools errand.

Headline news in today's paper is 'Obama No Longer Messiah - Reincarnated as Alexander the Great'. The column went on to say that Obama will no take any of the recommendations that his military appointees, generals, political appointees or ad visors give him on what to do in Afghanistan and that he will come up with his own military and political strategy to pacify the Taliban as lead by al Qaeda.

It goes on to say that a perfect fool proof plan devised, by the best military and political genius the world has ever produced, takes time and to be patient - the waiting will be worth it and 6 million jobs will created in Afghanistan as a result too, half as many as the Old Messiah's stimulus plan created in the USA.

Bush abandoned Afghanistan years ago

And you'd have to define "winning"

Bush spent one trillion in Iraq but dittoheads complain only now about the deficit. Make up your mind.

Can you tell me what was actually won in Iraq.

So lets do it all over again . Because the "war on terror" much like the "war on drugs has a certain appeal to it. Ineffective but catchy.

riddle me this, batman: two 'confidential' messages were sent and the WaPo knows about both of them. Hmmm. Coincidence? More like someone passed along copies of said messages in hopes of influencing the outcome. The curiosity is who.

Obama put a hand-picked general in place to oversee the 'necessary war', allegedly had a decision made on what to do in March, received a report from said general in late summer, and has hemmed and hawed ever since. Now this from the envoy, words that are a direct contradiction to what the general has asked for.

Time for two things: Obama to understand he won the job, he really is the president, including the role of CIC and it is time for him to make a decision, and second, time for the administration to figure out what it sees the end game and again - MAKE A DECISION - on how to get there. He'll be criticized regardless and from both sides, but them's the breaks. Time to be the decider.

Eikenberry sent two classified messages to Obama. One saying there was no more need for troops and the other begging to send him to be ambassador of the Bahamas for providing Obama cover for not sending troops.

I believe General Eikenberry with respect to his views and admonitions on Karsai. BUT, in order to win, total war as much as we can must be brought and apllied to the Talaban etc. We should pursue that war, American style of past years and constantly rain war upon them or else they will surely win, for if a stale-mate or no victory on our part, then the enemy wins. We need less corruption in Washington and more patriotism or attention to the USA's commitment OR get out of there!

Oh so we're nation building again is that it.

and I thought we were there to go after Al Quiada

Note on Iraq: self rule for a country that was used to oppression and happens to have lots of oil. Our founding fathers would be proud.Since after all Repubs could care less about American freedom much less Iraqi freedom.

Bodhi - These generals who asked for more troops were appointed as advisors by Barcak Obama. So, when he asks for the opinion of these appointed generals, he should actually listen to them. Making the Afghanistan people angry should not be of any importance. Making sure we have a large enough of a force to keep our soldiers safe is of great importance. Also, we are not nation building in that region. We are doing what we can to disrupt a large build up of personnel, resources and infrastructure in these areas that would be hostile towards us. We are there for YOUR safety.

it seems to me our real problems are in pakistan.