David Obey Slams Obama Administration for Errors in Reporting Stimulus Job Gains

I have been posting on thoughts.com for some time now and I seem to have been locked out because the democratic gangsters don't like my ideas. Isn't this a violation of freedom of speech. I am going to see what the A.C.L.U has to say about it.

Lefties only lie when their lips are moving. Never ever trust your life or money to a lefty. They will steal you blind, blame you for it, when you are finally dead broke they will will leave you for dead and to their death panels for a lovely end of life counselling session whether you like it or not.

Easy now David Obey! Sure, for you a top Dem. to realize that Obama has and is making huge mistakes and lies to the American people well, I know it's really hard for you to take. But for you to call for him to right his so many wrongs now that's going a bit to far. It was a huge step for you to understand how this man actually is and I'm sure it was a big blow to you and others like you. Just understand that you also learning how he will do nothing of the kind to make it right to the American people is just another step in learning what kind of "man" he is. Sorry it was sucha blow to you but maybe next time don't be so damn trusting and believe anything anyone has to say to you only becuase they happen to be on your side of the game huh?!

My comment seems to have been removed, although it was very relevant (I guess it was one of those "honest media" mistakes). It was in response to lucydina42, who was basically saying that Obama's not so bad, since Bush was "caught" lying, and my response was that he wasn't "caught", because he wasn't lying. I'm going to post it again because I think it's important, although I'm sure that the "honest media" who run this site will disagree and yank it again as soon as they see it:

Several years ago, I was watching a news report; I'm pretty sure it was CNN. This was during the LONG, drawn out period when U.N. inspectors were searching for WMD. (Not the U.S., the U.N., meaning: more than just us.) They were broadcasting news about conversations that our government had intercepted in Iraq by a terrorist group, and the translation went something like this: "Move the trucks, NOW, move all the trucks; take them to (someplace or other), NOW!"

There was more to the conversations, but in case this isn't clear, what was happening was that these people knew that the inspectors were coming, and they were emptying the bunkers just as fast as humanly possible, moving the contents of them from place to place to stay one step ahead of them. I remember thinking that this was absolutely HUGE, and that if this wasn't evidence that there really was something to the allegations, then people were just keeping their eyes shut tight on purpose so they WOULDN'T see.

But the really odd thing about it was that although I've heard people say that they saw it, too, neither I nor anyone I've heard or read about has ever heard one word about it again, and it simply is not to be found online. Most people were completely unaware of it (probably because it was yanked so fast it would make your head spin), and so they're only too happy to assume that it never happened, which I'm sure fits very conveniently with what they've been told to believe. It's almost as if it was.....gee, I don't know....covered up or something. But our media is so honorable, right? They would never do a thing like that....right? If you haven't heard that it happened, then Bush must have been lying all along, right? If it had really happened, then you would most certainly have heard about it, because we are always made aware of absolutely everything that goes on in our government......right? @@

Do any of you bother to research a subject before writing your CRAZY comments? Obama is not supplying these figures. The states and agencys who have received funds are reporting them. Let's take the Republican State, Arizona, in which an agency reported $761,420 in spending and 30 jobs created in Arizonas 15th congressional district. (The 15th congressional district doesn't exist!!) WHERE is the $761,420 Arizona?? I think, as taxpayers, we should require this money be returned!!!
These agencies filed 130,000 reports in 10 days. Reviewers had 20 days to review them. The reviewers did actually exclude some reports as "unbelivable" due to overstatement of jobs created.
The stimulus is an attempt to keep this country running after the Reign of King George. George Bush's policies brought this country to the brink of collapse!! Capitalists! Try to understand that when there is no money to be spent, no one can buy your products and make you rich!! The Bush Administration tried to generate growth by grossly under regulating the banking industry- Although Capitalism is a good thing, it needs to be regulated, or we will all be taken advantage of by greedy, dishonest people! You have seen the UNDENIABLE results of his administration! Try to get on board with TRYING TO SAVE YOUR COUNTRY!!!
There are those who believe President Obama's mistake is in trying to be transparent. I quote:
"But with every grenade from the media blowing a hole in the credibility of the jobs numbers, it may be worth asking whether the administration's problem comes less from the quality of the numbers being provided than from its decision to provide the numbers in the first place.

From the start, the administration framed the stimulus as a job-creating initiative, saying that it would create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next two years. Skeptics noted that this would be a very hard number to verify -- after all, how can one know for sure whether a job has been "saved"? But the administration and congressional Democrats not only stuck with that number, they also promised an unprecedented level of transparency and accountability in the stimulus, saying they would require recipients of the money to report how it had been spent and how many jobs they created or saved with it."
I personally believe the transparency is good. Look how many agencies are being caught in the probable act of misusing funds provided to help our economy!!! We need more of it!!!
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this is in response to IMSAM007
If you knew anything about the banking industry and our government, you would have known that it was Barney Frank who fought and won banking reform durning the Bush years. This allowed more people to achieve home ownership by relaxing the rules for credit/debt ratios. Where did it get us... in the mess we are in.

TO rthompson13129...just so you know, there are lots of liberals disappointed with this current administration. The people in my family who voted for Obama are so angry, especially the women. This Health plan reforms is going to destroy this president. I wonder what the women in your family is going to react when they hear on the news today that Obama is against women have mammogram every year!!!! This is a killar disease and he wants women to be checked only every other 3 year. THIS OBAMA IS A SCARY DUDE! by the way, only 30 jobs were created since he was elected...of cours lots of jobs were given to his friends! ALL THE CZARS. WHEN OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS 4%, but every move me has made so far has increased the rate to almost 11%! HE GAVE 90% OF THE GREEN JOBS TO CHINA E 10% TO AMERICA... I DO HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING THE CHANGE!

If you want to know what is going on in the world, listen to what Obama and his liberal cronies say, and then take that statement and turn it upside down and think of its opposite. Once you have determined the complete opposite of the original Obama statement, then that will the correct statement of true reality. It's kind of a neat trick, you can appear to be a psychic pulling hidden facts out of no where. It works every time, but it gets old fast. People will catch on to your trick.

True. I'm never suprised anymore, it's just expected these days.

ROY S. MALLMANN
4:46PM Oct 10th 2009
When I went to college I got a “D” in economics but after what I have seen in the last year or two, I am quite proud in that if what has happened was put in place by the “A” students, even I can do better. First of all everything that happened to create and further expand this financial crisis, should have been seen and regulated by THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, as they are the ONLY part of the government of THE UNITED STATES that has the authority to regulate financial dealings of this country. Not a single dime can be raised in taxes, fees, tariffs, etc. without their express authority nor can any monies be spent without their authority. They and they alone are responsible for not regulating the sub-prime loans and the markets that developed as a result of them. It amazes me that learned adults in the media and in this administration still blame the Bush Administration for the financial mess. It is a lie, plain and simple and the Congress wants you to believe it so they don’t have to take the blame.
One of the basic tenets of credit is that you do not loan money to an individual or business for all that matter unless you satisfy three things. 1. You must provide proof of stable income, giving you the ability to pay back the loan. This is you must have a stable job with proof that you will be employed in that job for at least the term of the loan or mortgage. You must prove your income by tax returns or payroll stubs. 2. You must demonstrate that you have a good credit history, showing that you have used credit in the past and have repaid loans on time as agreed. You demonstrate that you “keep your word”. 3. You have to make a down payment on the loan or mortgage so you have something to lose if the loan goes bad for any reason. You usually have to put 10% down so the lender has a cushion in case the loan goes bad and he has to repossess. This way it improves the lender’s ability to break even and it makes sure the borrower won’t arbitrarily default on the loan. This has been the way credit has been handled all over the world for the last hundred years at least.
Then along comes President Jimmy Carter in 1977 who signed the COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT REINVESTMENT ACT into law to help provide affordable housing to low income people who couldn’t meet the traditional loan requirements of the last 100 years. (ADMIRABLE IDEA…RIGHT?) Then in 1995, President Bill Clinton strengthened the COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ACT, with the approval of THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Clinton and his Democratic friends Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, and Barack Obama worked on the credit rules to do away with the income requirement that had to be proven, eliminated the down payment, and ended the credit requirements. All three then went to the banks and threatened them with lawsuits (Obama filed three lawsuits against Citibank.) and demonstrations, and boycotts, in poor neighborhoods if they didn’t make these loans. Barney Frank even admonished them “you have nothing to lose as they are government guaranteed”. Again, his exact words, not mine. The guarantee part was the loans were bought by FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC, government sponsored entities staffed by Democratic Party friends of Bill Clinton, such as Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson Jamie Gorelick and RAHM EMMANUAL, who is now Obama’s chief of staff and number one advisor. These executives paid THEMSELVES $200,000,000.00 in only six months time. FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC also paid Cristopher Dodd (D-CT), Barack Obama (D-IL) and John Kerry (D-MA) some $360,000.00. Did any of this come out in the media during the Presidential Campaign? The Democratic Party controlled THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES since January 2006. FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC spent $150 million dollars in lobbying in ten years to keep the Republicans and media away from them.
Now the stage was set for the feeding frenzy that drove THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to the brink of bankruptcy.
SO HOW IS THIS bUSH'S FAULT?
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There is a very simple explanation for Obey's criticism of Obama: HE WANTS TO GET RE-ELECTED!!!

He worried about his job, since he was one of the crooks who helped write the Scamulus bill.

We're going to see lots of Democrats suddenly get morally outraged over the very things they supported in an effort to, once again, bullsh!t the voters.

DEMOCRATS ON THE SUBJECT OF IRAQ AND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION




The democrats had no trouble telling the world that Iraq had WMD as follows:

There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources—something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002..............

“Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002............


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998..................

""Fateful decisions will be made in the days and weeks ahead. At issue is nothing less than Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.................

the fundamental question of whether or not we can keep the most lethal weapons known to mankind out of the hands of an unreconstructed tyrant and aggressor who is in the same league as the most brutal dictators of this century."
Sen. Joe Biden (D, DE), Feb. 12, 1998..................

"It is essential that a dictator like Saddam not be allowed to evade international strictures and wield frightening weapons of mass destruction. As long as UNSCOM is prevented from carrying out its mission, the effort to monitor Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687 becomes a dangerous shell game. Neither the United States nor the global community can afford to allow Saddam Hussein to continue on this path."
Sen. Tom Daschle (D, SD), Feb. 12, 1998...............

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb. 18, 1998......................

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 18, 1998................

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.............

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998................

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.............

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL) and others, Dec, 5, 2001. ..............

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.................

"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002................

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002..............

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002. ................

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002. ................

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002 ...................

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002................

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002..................

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.....................

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002.....................

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002................

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

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amercit
3:23PM Oct 24th 2009
This administration , no matter what the issue, they will never do whats best for the troops , or whats best for the country, or the peoples will. THEY WILL MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEIR PARTY.
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Still better than the other choice we had.

jodylrwebb, I agree with you that Obama is a liar, stone cold. I'm amazed how he can stand up and *read* such big lies from the teleprompter. But, he's not typical. America has never had a pres such as Obama. He's a Marxist - not a Democrat. America has never elected a "Democrat" quite like Obama.

You have no right to call anyone a liar!!! Did you forget Carl Rove and his boys outing a CIA operative??? Bush should've went to jail and all his cronies, instead Scooter Libby was their sacrificial lamb. They got away with treason!!!! Just another example of the new party in Washington The Republican'ts.

They did not "out" a CIA employee, because she was not a protected person under the statute. Nobody was ever convicted of that crime because it did not happen.

Libby was convicted of making a false statement to an investigator - and only an over zealous political hack would have proceeded on that charge alone. Any profession prosecutor with any sense of justice and professional responsibility would have dropped that charge once it was determined that the more serious crime did not happen.

Sam
11:32AM Nov 17th 2009
Oh yeah, 'cause when Bush lied, stole, killed and defrauded an entire nation, he was run out on rail, right?!
>>>> What Bush did to this country was, in every respect, SMALL potatoes compared to this chronic liar who is attmepting to turn our once-great nation into a Socialist Paradise where only the "elites" like himself
are protected. Obongo is a big league, not a bush-league traitor.