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And any Christian will tell you that Jesus himself grew up Jewish. So what's the big deal about Jews for Jesus and the larger phenomenon of "Messianic Jews"?"Moishe Rosen, who was born Jewish, ordained a Baptist minister and went on to found Jews for Jesus, the largest messianic Jewish organization in the world, died Wednesday at his home in San Francisco. He was 78. . . .
"Controversial from its inception, Jews for Jesus was officially founded by Mr. Rosen in San Francisco in 1973. In the decades since, its missionaries have been a familiar presence on street corners in cities around the United States and elsewhere. Mr. Rosen was the group's first executive director, a post he held until 1996.
"The organization's central tenet is that it is possible simultaneously to be Jewish and to accept Jesus as the Messiah."
"Judaism never saved anybody no matter how sincere. . . . Within Judaism today, there is no salvation because Christ has no place within Judaism."
"What if I decided to dress up like a Catholic priest and went to the mall? And what if I approached people wearing crucifixes and suggested they could become 'Completed Christians' if they sat down with me and studied Talmud? That would be very deceptive."
Sorry. I'm not buying it Jeffrey. What kind of stupid rule is it that you can't believe in Jesus in order to be a Jew? Do you know where that came from? Do any of the Jews?
I don't think so. Stone me if you must, but the history books are pretty clear on this one: The Jewish never considered the rejection of Jesus as Messiah intrisic to their Jewish identity until long after early Christianity persecuted them with that as the rationale. I.e., that is where this absurd illogical rule came from: from the gentiles.
The point is that since then those who didn't really understand what "Christlike" meant did horrible things in Christ's name for sometime afterwards, namely persecuting the Jews for 2000 years under the rationale that they crucified their God. For 2000 years they made that part of the Jewish identity, and the Jews, to their credit made their own resilience and self-determination in the face of such persecution by so-called Christians part of their identity. But as you can expect, evil rarely begets pure good, and even if the Jews were the best of people being told by not only their persecutors, but also by their Rabbi's for 2000 years that they rejected the Jesus as the Christ ... How could that NOT eventually become one's self-imposed identity.
Today that idea is central: Being Jew means rejecting Jesus as Christ. Now consider the efficacy and intrinsic value of the idea ... it is foolish to judge someone merely out of hand as a rule, out of pure bias, MIND YOU AGAIN: not by their fault but because non-Jews planted that seed long and deep that such defined exactly who they were. It's a foolish, illogical, and unjust rule no group should be proud to espouse - espousing such prejudice should bring shame and be expunged if it were not so institutionalized as it is.
Nowhere in the scriptures, Old or New Testament do I know it says that you should accept the word of any man who preaches evil of another. Even the Old Testament is replete with the efficacy of prayer as a means to gain understanding so this is not a concept unique to Christians. I know outside of this one case Jews are taught to judge fairly, and everyone with a brain knows God gave it to be used to judge between light and dark, not cast it aside for the kind of institutionalized spite that has made the middle-east the bloody mess that it is.
In short, why would anyone want institutionalized prejudice as part of their identity ... is there no wonder why it is therefore so easily applied toward the JFJ just as it is to be applied toward Jesus, a man no Jew knows nor would attempt to understand but it quick to judge unfit as a Messiah because of scriptural interpretation by Rabbi's who are not to be questioned?
Now don't get me wrong here ... They need not accept Jesus to be considered a fair and just people, but they only need to strike the elements of prejudice from their self-imposed definition of what it means to be a Jews. Reserve judgement of anyone until fair investigation is made, without bias, but with compassion.
But I'm afraid the Haredi have too tight a grip. JFJ aren't allowed citizenship despite one's lineage ... making prejudice against the JFJ a matter of State sanctioned religious discrimination. I'm ashamed my own country has looked the otherway as this has happened and become increasingly worse over the last 20 years. Mark my words ... Israel's future lies in it's ability to mete out justice and mercy to all it's inhabitants and neighbors in a way that is fair and equitable and if it cannot do it within there is no hope of it doing it without. I pray they live up to the expectations and responsibilities in this and similar matters with which they've been entrusted. This is a serious matter that will not go unnoticed forever.
Actually, according to the Jewish Bible, Rosen was not Jewish. By his own admission, in a speech I heard, he said, "My mother never converted to Judaism, but I retained the identify as a Jew in name only which I have used successfully for my own persuits." So true, he has taken the meaning of the words by Paul of the KJV to new heights, "I became a Jew to win over Jews ..."
If one is serious about allowing missionaries to target kids, the disabled, the poor and homeless--just how would a Christian missionary feel about a Muslim posing as a Christian to win over their son or daughter to Islam?
There are no missionaries in Judaism, but there are righteous gentiles or non-Jews (God-Fears) well before the common era, welcomed as such in synagogues for Yom Kippur, Purim and even Chanukah. The Jewish view has always been for deists, that all righteous have a share in the world to come regardless of race, creed, color or gender. And they taught the real "Golden Rule": "Don't do to others as you wouldn't want them to do to you." This line was not lost on America's Founding Fathers where the majority were deists or God-Fearers and did not want one church or mosque to end up running the show over the minorities. Perhaps this is why we have "Freedom of Religion" here as law. However, not all soldiers or politicians felt this way and there are many laws still on the books that prohibit Jews the freedom many Christians have. The true issue of missionaries hiding behind charitable works is surfacing around the country among cults and mosques. Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Islamics and new "Moonie" groups use religion to further their religious beliefs that in essence removes the very laws to have a just and righteous court system where all religions should be treated equally. Something to think about--we don't need missionaries, we need people that are religious to help their neighbors without asking to hear a sermon or their version of the Hebrew Bible they really never studied as a Jew.
"I guarantee there are few American Jews older than, say, 40, who were not called 'Christ-killer' at school at least once...(The unanswerable reality of that horror was responsible for dramatic changes in the rhetoric of many Christian institutions toward Jews and Judaism, most notably "Nostra Aetate," issued by the Vatican in 1965, which stated: 'Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures.'"
Please re-check your timeline here. It should probably say something like Jews over 50 or 60 were not called "Christ killer" at least once in their lives. Forty-year-olds were born in 1970, five years after the Vatican declaration. Other than in backwater locations in the US that are permanently stuck somewhere between the 19th and early 20th centuries, I can guarantee very few American 40-year-old Jews were subjected to this nonsense. I was born in 1965 and was never, not once in my life, subjected to this crap. Not a single Jewish friend of mine of the same age has experienced this either. The 1965 Vatican changes took hold very quickly, to the credit of Pope John XXIII. By the time those of us born around 1965 were old enough to be in school, this particular accusation was largely a thing of the past.
Thank you, Jeffrey, for interviewing Tovia Singer as part of this story. He's the best spokesman on this issue!!
BTW, even if a Jew "converts" to Christianity (or Hinduism, Buddhism, Wiccanism, or anything else), he is still a Jew, according to the Torah (Jewish Bible), assuming his mother is/was legally Jewish.
At the same time, any NON-Jew can become a Jew, if converted according to Halacha (Jewish Law/Torah/God's Law for all Jews for all time).
And all Jews are required to treat a "ger" (convert) as if he or she were a Jew from birth.
In addition, someone with a Jewish father and non-Jewish mother, or whose mother was converted by a non-Orthodox rabbi, meaning not according to Jewish Law (laws that God made for Jews), is not a Jew, regardless of how he/she was raised or may consider himself/herself, or what revisionist Jewish streams may try to assert as OK.
This may not be "p.c.," but that's the way it is!
"Pretty much from the point that the apostle Peter wins the argument about circumcision"... don't you mean Paul?
June 03 2010 at 11:25 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyAn observation - one cannot hold to orthodox Judaism and simultaneously be a Christian, since orthodox Judaism rejects Jesus as being the Christ (Messiah, or Moshiach). But one can certainly be ethnically Jewish and accept Christ - one's religious beliefs does not change his/her genetics, correct? If an American of German parentage converts to Islam, he's still a German-American, not suddenly an Arab!
June 02 2010 at 12:27 PM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down Replyyour entire premise is wrong just because you stated "ethnically Jewish", which is a non existent being. Judaism is a religion, period. Unless you can point out some ethnic Protestants, your comment is invalid.
June 02 2010 at 2:05 PM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down ReplyHistory informs us that the Jews were the first to embrace a religion recognizing one God. Jews discontented by the heirarchies of their faith broke away to accept Jesus as the Messiah, God's only son. Christians formed breakaway religions in later years, only to see persecution and mayhem exist between the factors. The Jews, now reduced in numbers and affected by the diaspora, often played the ultimate scapegoats to Christian manipulations. This bloody history is man made. It has nothing to do with God or Jesus. It has to do with homo sapiens, money, power and politics no matter in which century the blood letting was done. If you believe anything else, I have yet to reach your power of intellectual analysis before I can concur!
June 02 2010 at 12:17 PM Report abuse Permalink +7 rate up rate down ReplyRest in peace, Moishe Rosen. Thank you for helping Jesus spread the Good News to those he died to save. God bless you!
June 02 2010 at 12:04 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down Replylsw916 - Your belief in no Creator takes far more faith than any religion has ever required. Both Jews and Christians alike understand that the statistical probabilities of life evolving from nothing is non-existent.
June 02 2010 at 11:38 AM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down ReplyWhat is life but time. Why waste it on delusional, fictional, worship of someone or something that can,t be proven. Wearing the old coat of belief your parents and clergy hand you is absurd. The pusher man and the clergyman are both selling highs.
Humans have dicarded Zeus, Apollo, Venus and The Tooth Fairy. Let's do the same with religion.
This is Pascal's wager. My belief in God, if wrong, costs me nothing. But you who reject belief in God, if wrong, will have an eternity to regret it.
Having a lifetime of companionship with like believers is joy and bliss, not a waste of time. Try it.
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