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Being pro life is not party specific either. There is a growing interest in Democrats for life. Thank you
Why is it that feminism has to be attached to abortion? I'm a conservative, but I suppose I'm also a feminist. I believe women should have equal rights, equal pay, equal opportunity, etc. I think men should do the dishes, change diapers, and cook, too. I think I should be able to have the choice to pursue a career AND be a mother and wife all at the same time. I don't think anyone should ever confine me to "woman's work" and I would never confine a man to "man's work." However, when it comes to abortion, the liberal and conservative stances on when a fetus becomes a life differ greatly. Based on my Christian beliefs I can't accept that any child isn't meant to be unless it dies of natural causes in the womb. I know two things: (1) God never makes a mistake (2) God knew me before I was even conceived. According to liberals, the "right to choose" outweighs the importance of an unborn human life. I don't find killing babies liberating or part of my constitutional rights. Just as the government protects born children from abusive or neglectful parents, I think the government has a responsibility to protect unborn babies. I consider a "right" to be something that does not directly harm another person and violate their rights. So, I can't legally burn my neighbor's house down, I can't legally punch someone in the face who annoys me, and I shouldn't legally be able to murder an unborn child (in my womb or another woman's womb).
June 14 2010 at 2:50 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyNo, conservative feminist is not an oxymoron. Remember when the terms "conservative" and "liberal" could be used in a civil manner? You know; before "liberal" could be used without being prefixed with "Bleeding Heart"? Before it became commonplace for some to spit out "Dems and Libs" with a venomous snear? Before Republicans were either "CONservatives" or CONNEDservatives"? Before it became profitable for a partisan talk show host to wrap himself in an American Flag and denigrate the President of the United States as a Communist Hitler? Before another talk show host feigned righteous indignation with our former President? Before anyone could label themself a "conservative" then engage in the most vile hate-speach? Before religious intolerance? Before partisanship trumped patriotism? Before "Huggers" and "Baggers"? Before pigs wore lipstick? Before Senators voted 60/40 in lockstep partisanship? Remember...
June 13 2010 at 7:41 PM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down Replyexcellent post, ernestvalerius!
June 27 2010 at 10:55 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyBeing a conservative feminist is following in the foot steps of Rodney Dangerfield character. Get no respect, deserve none and supporting an organization that favors the glass ceiling for women. It is like being a woman aspiring to be the pope!
June 13 2010 at 5:44 PM Report abuse Permalink -4 rate up rate down Replyobama done enough damage
June 13 2010 at 5:26 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyWhen I came of age women had no independent economic power; sure women worked but good paying jobs were rarely only rarely open to us. We expected (and got sexual harrassment) in the work place; we didn't file complaints; we looked for another job hoping for the best. A rape conviction required an independent witness (lots of luck with that); "good girls" did not voluntarily have sex because the consequences were terrible- the "girls" I knew who found themselves "in trouble" were sent away as soon as they "showed" and their babies were taken away. I respect those who believe that abortion is a sin. Abortion is never a good choice but sometimes and for some women it may be the better choice. And I believe that the government has no legitimate right to impose religious views and call it law. Not now and not ever. I can only hope that more doctors will be willing to provide abortions, despite the intimidation and worse that abortion providers have faced. And I hope that there are women who remember the not so good old days.
June 13 2010 at 3:31 PM Report abuse Permalink -3 rate up rate down ReplyThese days even girls who get pregnant and choose to let someone else adopt their baby (IMHO that should be her choice only) don't have to hide if they don't want to! (like in "Juno")
June 14 2010 at 7:10 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyDefinitions are funny things but sure, a conservative can be a femminist, just like a liberal can be pro-life (for health care for all and against the death penatly for instance-and even anti abortion) but dont' expect the tradtional femmisnist to "fall" for them co-opting a word that has been revivled by the right for decacdes if not longer. Feminists have been demoninzed by conservatives for so long that don't expect us to assign the same value to a conservative feminist that is attached to the a woman who has been fighting for equal rights all thier lives. It seems to me conservative women are trying to fly on the coatails of the liberal feminists who have done all the work of the last half century because guess what, the conservatives lost that cultural "war"-women are in the work force despite all their warnings of doom- and all the sudden don't want to be left out. A bit ironic if I do say so.......
June 13 2010 at 10:38 AM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down ReplyRush Limbaugh, a self labeled "Conservative" demonizes feminists as "feminazis".
June 13 2010 at 10:18 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyThey have been fighting for their equal rights. Like Gloria Steinem-well all her adult life-and so many more who are not famous. I am 47 and when I was younger, in the 70's and 80's there was plenty of anti femminism out there. Equal pay for equal work has always been an issue along with being accepted in a "man's" world. Many used to say that women were not emtionaly equipped to handle political office-my mother being one of those. Where were the conservatves then to stand up for women and equal rights? The name "Gloria Steinem" was pertty much a dirty word in conservative cirlces. Now that women are on a much more equal footing as men the conservatives want to use the term to appeal to women voters I would guess. That is truly fine as long as they actually are advocates for women's issues. Being a female politcian does not automatically make that woman a femminist. They dont' have to support ALL issues (ie abortion) but they if they want the label, they have to EARN it-is that too much to ask?
As for the warnings of doom-well, that was often cited why women should stay in the home and raise their kids. Women had no real choice for a long time. I myself have CHOSEN to be a stay home mom while my kids are young but I have the choice now. ANd a choice of many more occupations should I decide to return to the work force-and for my own daughter. They have the choice-thanks to those pioneering femminists who were yes, demonized by the right-and some still do like the aforementioned Rush Limbaugh.
The loudest feminists are liberal abortion proponants. Not the most, just the loudest. But that is changing.
June 13 2010 at 9:38 AM Report abuse Permalink +7 rate up rate down Replyseems to me the feminist movement was hi-jacked by the left...
its issues became leftist issues. This, I think has done women a disservice.
If the "movement" is moving right I suspect its scope and impact and value
will be improved...seems to me anything is rarely effective if it is closed,
unbalanced and too narrow in focus...the wobbly, myopic, exclusivist (think as we do or get out) left-wing femenist
movement should go the way of the dinosaur.
Why is it necessary to put people into little ideological boxes?? People may be liberal on some issues, conservative on others. Life changes attitudes and politics. Show me a person with his/her heels in the cement of a political party and I'll show you one who has no life experience.
June 13 2010 at 9:28 AM Report abuse Permalink +12 rate up rate down ReplyGood post, Cutie. I consider myself mod/conservative, but I am pro-choice and for gun rights. Wonder where that puts me; Right? Left? Ideologically skewed? Don't know, don't care. As Popeye said, "I am what I am."
June 13 2010 at 2:38 PM Report abuse Permalink +4 rate up rate down ReplyAs Bush said, "I am that I am".
June 13 2010 at 10:24 PM Report abuse Permalink -3 rate up rate down ReplyFollow Politics Daily
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