Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life: Can They Be One and the Same?

Eleanor, pro-choice can not be pro-life. You cannot support and oppose the same thing. Pro-choice is pro-abortion and abortion is pro-death. Eleanor abortion is not life affirming, it destroys life! Semantics won't change the debate. Is the unborn child, that the mother wants to kill, an alive person or not? That is the issue! It is not about "reproductive rights" or “health “. All pro-life conservatives acknowledge a woman's "reproductive right" to get pregnant or not. The question is, does abortion kill another person. Science proves that it does. It is the abortion industry, liberal ideology, radical feminism and radical religious belief that claim it doesn't.

Eleanor, pro-choice can not be pro-life. You cannot support and oppose the same thing. Pro-choice is pro-abortion and abortion is pro-death. Eleanor abortion is not life affirming, it destroys life! Semantics won't change the debate. Is the unborn child that the mother wants to kill an alive person or not? That is the issue! It is not about "reproductive rights" or “health “. All pro-life conservatives acknowledge a woman's "reproductive right" to get pregnant or not. The question is, does abortion kill another person. Science proves that it does. It is the abortion industry, liberal ideology, radical feminism and radical religious belief that claim it doesn't.

ummm well i would just like to say i literally cried wheni read some of these comments just tissue??? apparently people aren't very educated on the aubject of abortion..... have you ever seen pictures? from the momennt of contraception a new individual is created.... now whether or not you believe in god is not the point here and is completely irrelevant so really if your so insistent and stubborn you on't even have to bring Him into the picture yet (although if you dont you may be a complete moron), the point is that this is a life like any other no matter how it came to be, rape, birth control failure, prpose, this doesnt matter and now ladies this isnt about you so dont bring in the whole deal about " its my body ill choose what to do with it" cuz its not about your body anymore.... theres a child inside of you now. are you gonna kill it for your own selfish reasons? deny life to that child cuz you dnt wanna have to deal with child birth? i mean come on WOOOOOOOOW. if you are considering killing your child please consider this: 18-20 days the foundation to the brain and spinal chord are laid 21 days the hearty begins to beat (but th child's not alive? hahah oooo goodness if you still arent completely convinced keep going) 28- 32 days 2 tiny arms and legs form and a mouth and nose start taking shape ok it goes on and on but i dnt think i need to go any further, i think ive made my point ABORTION IS TAING AWAY A LIFE!!!! is it ok to kill a new born because it cant walk yet or feed itself? ummm id definitely say most people in their right minds would say no is it ok to kill a new born baby with a heart defect that cant live on its own? the correct answer would be no so what makes an unborn different? id like to know honestly and hey if the issue is you dnt wanna keep the baby theres this really neat thing called adoption!!!! in fact id personally take the baby right off your hands for you if youd just carry he? she to term thank you

"[The NPR] editors came up with "abortion rights supporter or advocate" and "abortion rights opponent." Yet even this is calculated to support the pro-death position. (I know the label "pro death" will drive Jen Bluestein more crazy, but it is what it is. An abortion puts a fetus to death.) The position of the pro-life side is that no one has a right to kill a fetus; that there is no such thing as abortion rights. To speak of such is to support the other side of the issue.

When we ask the SCOTUS to dismantle Roe, we are not asking it to take away anyone's rights, but to recognize that those rights never existed in the first place. It was a (gross) mistake.

I consider myself to be a liberal. And I am not in favor of overturning Roe. It is the law and overturning it would just make the anger greater on both sides. But I have come to the conclusion that abortion is murder. As is capital punishment. Both are the positions of the Catholic Church. But only one seem to get any support. I am not Catholic or even Christian, but the highest value of Western Civilization, in my opinion, is human life. And this value, this morality, trumps the freedom of a woman to control her own body. I might make an exception for rape or the life of the mother. But let's face the honest true most abortions are birth control after the fact. And yes, I acknowledge the fact that its the women who will most likely pay and not the man. That is wrong and they both should be responsible, but in any case the child should not be the one to pay.

The movie "4 month, 3 days and 2 hours" is writer and director Cristian
Mungiu's story of a young Romanian student Gabita, and her attempt to
procure an abortion at a time when the procedure was illegal during the
Ceausescu regime in the 1980s.

With the heroic help of her roommate Otilia, who does everything but have
the abortion for her troubled friend, Gabita overcomes difficulties and
dangers and has the abortion. While watching the film, and understanding
the dangers and consequences for those seeking to procure an illegal
abortion under an oppressive totalitarian regime, the viewer must consider
whether abortion should ever be illegal. One reviewer wrote that the
strength of Mr. Mungiu's film is that he "never forgets the palpably real
women at the center of his film, and one of its great virtues is that
neither do you." After Gabita has the abortion, Otilia, who has left the
hotel room before the abortion was completed, returns. Informed that the
fetus passed in the bathroom Otilia, ever the servant friend, goes to clean
the room. As she views the remains of bloodied sheets, the surprised look
of shocked recognition on Otilia's face, and the camera showing what she
sees, helps the viewer to realize that abortion is not only a crime against the state where it is illegal, but a crime against humanity which should never be legal in any society. Contrary to the above mentioned reviewers
opinion, the greatest strength and virtue of Mungiu's film is that he
doesn't let the viewer forget the palpably real human being that is killed
because of the abortion. The problem with those who are pro choice is that they want everyone to think about the freedom to choose and ignore the choice that is being made. Perhaps this is a reasonable compromise for Ms. Clift: the "pro choice movement" should change its name to the "pro woman's right to choose to kill the developing human life within her womb movement".

We spend so much time talking past each other. The usual conversation does not address the actual point of disagreement. Either an abortion is a human rights violation, an act of child abuse, a form of domestic violence, or it isn't. Either a fetus/unborn child has rights, or not. If the fetus/unborn child has some rights, either his/her dependent connection with the mother gives the mother the right to kill/terminate him or her, or it doesn't. That seems to me the disagreement, and talking around these issues is just going to wear us out.

One thing is sure. No one has the information surrounding conception that the mom-to-be has, and no one has a greater incentive to make a wise choice to carry to term or not. Also, no one can stand between mom and the almighty powers who may judge an unwise choice. This is one tough decision, and I am grateful it is not one I face.
Unwanted pregnancy is like venereal disease in that it is best prevented rather than treated.

I am in my 60s now and remember still the way things were before abortion was legal.. For a couple of years before abortion became legal all over America with Roe vs Wade, it was legal in some states, but illegal in most of the states.

I was a young 20ish year old travel agent, just back from the military, and I sold airline tickets much of the time. I worked in Ohio where abortion was very much illegal at the time. New York had legalized abortion and word got around. I soon got requests for round trip tickets from Ohio to New York city from some of the more wealthy families in our city. Oh just a few days going up for shopping I was told more than a few times, and the tickets were picked up, and almost always paid for in cash - not the credit cards we were used to even back that long ago. I appreciated the business, it made me extra money. But I was slow on the uptake when a coworker older than me said these women are going up for abortions.

A few weeks later the military reserves called me back into the Service and I was not a travel agent anymore. Over the years, I have reflected back on that time in my life when the daughters of wealthy took advantage of that to get around the local law and get an abortion. Airfares were very expensive back then, so the poor, or middle class for that matter, were not flying to New York. No, I think that such laws while being written for everyone were obeyed by the poor, beause they had no resources to take this expensive short-cut in life.
- - -I would think if the laws revert back to the way they were and abortion were to become illegal again, then young women with money will be flying off to perhaps Europe where abortion remains legal, to resume those shopping trips of almost 40 years ago. Laws are laws, unless you can buy an exemption.

Mike

I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I would not seek an abortion for myself, because that is MY CHOICE! I will not judge another for making their own choice.
My last pregnancy ended, not by my choice, but by GOD's. My child would have been born with too many life ending problems due to weekly x-rays and many narcotic drugs given to me during my recovery time after major back surgery. I began spotting at 8 weeks, but my so-called doctor told me everything was fine. I had an ultra sound at 13 weeks and was told I did not have a viable pregnancy; the fetus had died in-utero at 8 weeks and the doctor let me carry a dead fetus for 5 more weeks!! I had asked GOD to show me the way, and HE took the decision from me, and made it HIS own. I was very gratefull for that, because the burden was too much for me to bear, at the time. GOD knew my heart, and made it easier on me to endure. GOD knows what is in our hearts, and I won't be the one to challenge HIS knowledge and love. To each her own, and to her GOD.