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Which leads to this question: Did the SBC get too much attention back in the day, or is it getting too little attention now? My answer to both: Probably so. (And for another good analysis of this question, check out Bobby Ross' post on the excellent GetReligion blog.)Excellent job, as always, Jeff. You might also have mentioned that the second or third week of June tends to be a very slow new time. which invites controversy. All I can remember, after all these SBCs, is how often I missed Father's Day. Mark Pinsky
July 05 2010 at 9:54 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI am SBC and a lot of what you write is accurate but some is off. For example, the abortion issue. Abortion stats have greatly changed - you managed to pick one that hasn't changed much. But recent polls show for the first time in polling, multiple polls in the last year or two have come out showing the majority of Americans are pro-life. Your article ignores that.
Also, your comment listing only a handful of secular press there as a sign of low coverage. I'm sure it is less than in the past, but not as bleak as you made seem. Today's journalism means a lot of media writes on things without being on the ground. Stories were done on the SBC annual meeting by: USA Today, Washington Post, The Examiner, The Republic, United Press International, Charlotte Observer and more.
Baptists are not Protestants. Protestant denominations are those that branched off of the Catholic church.
Protestants date from the sixteenth century. They are the Lutherans, the Reformed, and others who were once Roman Catholics and left the Roman Catholic faith to start denominations of their own. The Baptists never left the Roman Catholic church as did Luther, Calvin and Zwingli. They never left because they were never in. They did not begin their existence at the time of the Reformation, but hundreds of years prior to the Reformation.
I am a Baptist but from Cuba and after I has been living here in USA for several years knowing the people and the religious leaders from the Southern Baptist Church in Alpharetta, Georgia, most of them sucesfully bankers, my conclusion it is simple, they are another denomination that it is losing the compassion of Jesus. All the leaders from Southernd Baptist at some point, they has been participing in the destruction of the reference of one of their co workers in order to survive inside the billonaire denomination. This is trying to make a simple case of the level of ambition and apostasy in that denomination, when they are not different as religious leaders than the Religious leaders of the United Church of Christ with the peculiar definition of inclusivity of the gay people to overcome the level of extremism for several years before in that Church and survive as denomination getting some money of the government but not with real conviction about what it mean Grace and justices under God and love to all kind of people. After all, the Catholics they are in the same boat and the Baptist getting money sending missionaries CIA to all over the world it is not different. The secularism of the Church grow when they are trying to became bigger and control the financial situation. So, faith it is the illusion of the sucessfuly people in the Church. The same ambition of the Catholic Church and others religious group.
I have ambition for see a Church with only a local body with the key of the kingdom of God doing what Jesus did, not a denomination, not a President, not a Pope. After all, I can not see any different between a Pope and the President of any religious intitution today in America. I can not see any different between a bigger government in America with the Republicans and Democratics, and the structure of theses denominations today in the world. The world it is divide today in two section, Conservatives or Liberals and the translation of this two words for me tring to make it simple about this topic it is: "Grace and the Law" or "flexibility vs. inflexibility."
So, it is simple the chalenger for the Baptist today, became as a Church more independent doing what they are supposed to do as local church under the Grace of God, not as denominations. This it is going to help the Church in America be more pure, because the normal way that we see today it is secularism. So, we are afraid live by Grace and I can not see Grace in any action of the Church today, Catholic or Evangelic Christians, because Grace mean for many people socialism. Then, the marker of our salvation can not be free according with any denomination. None one it is free today in any religious group, because everybody it is far from Jesus even me, but I can chalenger any religious pastors in America or outside if in pragmatism they can show me what it mean be a christian without understand what it mean Grace in doctrine as the Bible said and the praxis in the real world. A few people today in the church they are living this experience with God, a few people.
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Much to the chagrin of non-Christians, Jesus Christ and His people just won't go away. The reason? Jesus rose from the dead! Now, seated on a throne next to the Father, He transforms human lives with his indwelling Spirit, and waits to rule over a new heaven and a new earth, to be inhabited solely by His followers. Yep, the Gospel is an amazing 2000 year old phenomenon that's attracted the devotion of billions of human beings, but unbelievers still fight to discredit Him and us. News flash: all the anti-Christ blogs in the world won't work. As for sharing Christ with Jews, if the author doesn't want to hear the gospel from a Baptist, there's a wonderful group called "Jews for Jesus" who would love to share their experiences with him. Either way, to deny Him is eternal suicide.
June 30 2010 at 2:25 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyWhy would it be the the "chagrin" of non-Christians? For the most part, especially for us non-theists, I do not spend a moment thinking about Christians. What seems to come out in your post though is a sense of prosecution which is indeed an odd emotion that Christians love to embrace. Christianity is one of the largest religions in the world...most of the people in the United States follow it...why is there the need to feel like everyone is out to get the Christians? I'm certainly not...
June 30 2010 at 3:01 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyI found this article fair and very interesting. Thank you! I have followed Christ for nearly 50 years. I happen to attend a Southern Baptist Church. Our country was founded with a desire for religious freedom. It based that desire on the Holy Bible. There are differences in our denominations, but only one issue that matters eternally. We live, we die, and according to the Bible, then comes Gods judgement. That judgement is based on whether one accepts Jesus Christ as God's only begotten Son, and the only way to heaven. Everything in life is based on that decision. Denominations will and should grow and change in the ways they present the messages that the Bible teaches. This world is broken and sinful. The Bible shows us how to overcome sin. It is only by the God's grace, Jesus' sacrifice and the leading of the Holy Spirit that we can experience joy on this earth and a hope for eternal life.
June 30 2010 at 2:04 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyAmen. Nice post!!!
June 30 2010 at 2:26 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyOne other reason why coverage of the SBC is down is the Roman Catholic Church. With coverage of its sex scandals around the globe, and the Church facing a backlash from the faithful, that becomes the story that news organizations want to cover.
A point about membership. In the United Methodist Church, each local church has a list of members. If a member hasn't attended or contributed for several years, then the process starts to remove that person from the list. That process takes several years. If at any point, the member says he wishes to remain a member, the process stops.
While there are many people in all denominations who are completely inactive, they are loathe to be without a membership, in case of the need for a funeral, a wedding, a confirmation, or a baptism.
And, of course, the antics of a Westboro Baptist Church have not helped. When it appears you're moving up to cult status, beware.
June 30 2010 at 10:23 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplySurely you jest, if you believe that the "Westboro Baptist Church" is anything more than an a Cabal of political Activists with a "membership" mostly made up of one extended family with several or more law degrees, and a "religious" Tax Exempt Status. Not to mention a glaring example of "By their fruits ye shall know them." ,
June 30 2010 at 4:22 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyFundamentalist Baptists like Jerry Falwell long regarded The Southern Baptist Convention with distrust and vice versa. Fundamentalism usually falls outside the boundaries of socially acceptable religions and, at the time, Southern Baptists were very socially acceptable in most communities. To Falwell and others in groups in the Baptist Bible Fellowship, this was a sign of incipient apostasy.
Social exclusion was a hallmark of true Christianity according to Fundamentalist preaching in the 1960s and 70s. But Fundamentalists also wanted a seat at the table of power and the Southern Baptist theology was the closest thing to Fundamentalist Baptist theology. By embracing the conservatives in the SBC, Falwell helped to nudge the denomination towards Fundamentalism and increase the ranks of those helping turn the tide of American culture towards a favorable view of Fundamentalists.
Now the SBC has replaced the denominational beliefs of traditional Baptist theology with Fundamentalist beliefs and thus has lost the interest of mainstream Americans. If it continues to pursue conservatism of the Fundamentalist ilk, the SBC will ultimately be regarded as socially irrelevant because the real power will lie with the hard core Fundamentalists outside the denomination and the moderate and liberal former Baptists will have swelled the ranks of other denominations.
Your timing is off on your assessment. Falwell did not direct his church toward the SBC until a few years before his death. The conservative battle was long over in the denomination by the time he joined. He played no roll in any direction of the SBC. And there is very little in common between a fundamentalist indep. baptist church and an sbc church other than believing the gospel and the Bible. The SBC has no statements, for example, against dancing, other translations of the Bible outside of the KJV, certain attire, and no official doctrine on alcohol.
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