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"This is an Army at war.''
"There are probably some commanders who ... probably transferred some guys that maybe should have had disciplinary actions taken'' against them.What I heard from many americans is that:
- wars are good
- wars are necessary
- wars are usefull
A people that think like that deserves the results of that insanity.
What do you waite for when you have more then 700 military bases all over the world some with more than 50,000 soldiers, plus families and mercenaries?
What do you would expect on a country that has in active, 980 Generals and Admirals. What for?
Why does the US, that produces 70% of all guns and explosives of the entire world, forcing the US kind of democracy down everyone throat, if they wanted or not?
What to expect from a country that wants to rule the entire world for theis own benefit?
Shame on you America!
I want to agree with the women that said criminals should be given a choice of serving in the military or being locked up.I can remember my 18th birthdate like it was yesturday.6 months before that I was talking to a Navy recruiter and ready to join the military. Which I still love the thought of still today at the age of 42.Two weeks before my 18th birhdate and the military, I done something stupid and gotten myself in droble with the law and went to prison for three years.And instead of going to the military I went to prison which did not teach me anything infact it made me a bad person for a while.It is very easy to mess up in life.It takes only a split second and then your dreams and your life is worth not much of anything to you and to every body else.I wish I was given a second chance to serve my country.I think it would of help me alot more than prison and it would of gave me the chance to serve my country like I wanted to any ways.
July 31 2010 at 3:53 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI am saddened to hear that thousands of our soldiers are unfit for duty. I am wondering if these men were asked if they come from abusive households. (verbally, emotionally, sexually or financially).
July 20 2010 at 8:27 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplySounds like what happened to Alexander the Great's army after nearly a decade of world conquest (at least the world they knew about, that is).... Eventually he was forced to turn back to Babylon, where he soon died in 322 BC, soon after the pullout from modern day India /Afghanistan/ Pakistan, etc. was completed-- for he drove himself to the same state of exhaustion as his troops (among other things)....
July 12 2010 at 9:19 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyI think our soldiers today have had a burdon on them placed like no other. Some have served more than two or three deployments. I applaud them and wish them well and know that I think you are the best of the best.
July 12 2010 at 8:14 PM Report abuse Permalink +4 rate up rate down ReplyBoy, so much to say. I just retired after 32 years in uniform as an active duty Soldier and reservist. I have seen good and bad WTUs in operation over the past 7 years and I can answer some of these questions. First, the article is correct in that the combat wounded in general want to get back to their units. Second, it is also correct that the WTU has become an easy place to dump a Soldier who a commander doesn't want to take to combat, rather than going through chapter proceedings to remove that Soldier from the Army. Between those two extremes, there are Traumatic Brain Injury and/or Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder cases, who do not have a visible manifestation of their wounds, but suffer nonetheless. They are the cases that it takes the most care and skill to identify the truly injured from the malingerers. The Army tends to err on the side of assuming that they are injured and need treatment, which allows some malingerers to get away with it. On the whole, that's an inefficiency that we have to live with, because I would rather let some slackers get away with milking the system than I would turn down genuine TBI or PTSD cases.
As for the 8,000 stay-behinds in units, in my experience most of them on active duty are pregnant or have child care issues. Again, this is an inefficiency we probably have to live with. In the Reserve Components, you have those issues, but you also have some Soldiers who mean well, but they're just not able to handle combat deployments due to personal issues, legal problems, physical fitness, etc. They probably should not be in the Reserve or Guard in the first place, but it is what it is, and the issues often don't surface until a deployment is pending, because Reserve and Guard commanders don't have the degree of control of their people's lives that active duty commanders have.
God bless all our volunteers.
the army wife wants to respectfully address comments by AFBNITZ. When I speak of the "nation's poor," I am speaking in a broader sense, more related to individual privilege and power. You are correct to reference military pay, but review your analysis and focus more on the notable income difference before the military pay. You mentioned seeing a broader cross section of our society during the Vietnam war. I believe there was a draft in place during the Vietnam War, and despite this, there were many who had the "means" to circumvent that draft. Family wealth and money has enabled others to avoid drafts in previous wars, thus my comment about the nations poor fighting its wars. It is important to note that a "soldier" is a cut above the average man, despite any imperfections. You will find many who have riches and come from wealthy families, but still choose to leave the comforts of home. Let us be careful not to condemn our wealthy soldiers! Like every "soldier" they posess courage and convictions and they have a love of country and believe in honor and duty to their country. They know that freedom is only free for those who choose to do nothing while their brothers and sisters suffer and die, and pay the costs for it. They want to be bigger than that. They are in every sense, real "men!"
July 10 2010 at 8:09 AM Report abuse Permalink +5 rate up rate down ReplySad to say, but many of these young “troubled” service personnel, especially those with a history of serious disciplinary problems, are NOT aware of the very serious effect this will have on them for the rest of their lives. Here are two (2) well established facts: (1). When they’re finally “washed-out,” every branch of the armed-services will indicate their troubled, sub-performance behavior, in code, on their DD-214. That information usually appears in that area of the document entitled “Transfer or Discharge Data - Reason and Authority,” and (2). Many federal, state, and city government jobs - and many private firms with government contracts, require background checks before the hiring potential employee. Case in point, one fella I know, a veteran of the war in Iraq, was released from the army due to “serious disciplinary issues.” After his release, he applied for a job with a city in Florida. On his Application for Employment he stupidly omitted any mention of military service. Unfortunately for him, the position he applied for required a fingerprint check. End result - FBI records indicated he was fingerprinted by the U.S. Army/DoD when his enlisted. What’s he doing today? Well, you may run into him if you take your car to a Sears Auto Center - he’s really great at balancing auto tires.
July 08 2010 at 1:26 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyArmy wife forgot one big important thing! The women who serve as well! Women who are most deserving of being pampered and adored because of the fine women they are but are forced to choose to sacrifice whatever it takes because of the need to substitute for those "men" who refuse to take to the battlefronts to protect the homefront. Women who are built with less physical strength and stamina but choose to use what they do have to the best of their abilities to achieve what many say can't be achieved. Yes, instead of the lipstick and the hairspray they take on the grit and the gravel and the sand and the mud and anything else that stands in their way of accomplishing their goals. They demonstrate everyday that it is not always about what you have, rather its about how to use what you've got. These women are role models for both men and women alike. Small and weak in stature? Women are masters at whatever they choose to do. They nature and raise presidents and they take 'em down if they so choose.
They make and sustain both fine homes and families, but they also serve as a force to be reckoned with on the front lines. In their weakest hour, they are better "fit" to serve than those "men" with brute physical strength who choose to do nothing but peer from the edge of the battlefields to just critize!
I don’t know of anyone who is being held and treated by the army for ailments not linked to deployment. Whatever the problem is, you have to get it on the deployment. There is a distinction between combat wounded and injured. I am injured because my problem was caused by the deployment, but is not linked to a specific incident and had nothing to do with hostile interaction.
Being ill is a totally different scenario. If you become ill while on active duty, your medical coverage is the Army’s responsibility because they act as your primary insurance. It is not always deployment related. It is benefits related. I don’t know of anyone with illnesses that are held under the auspice of “Warriors in Transition”. Maybe they are using the WTUs as a catch all phrase for anyone being held by the Army for medical reasons.
I don’t know who the 8,000 injured and ill people in the rear detachments are. If you are sent back to your unit, you are either cleared medically or have been sent to community based WTUs like me. Those people don’t fall through the cracks. I have to call in every day and all my appointments are monitored by someone at a desk in Virginia. I have to contact them after every appointment and every time I schedule or reschedule anything. They know exactly what we are doing and when and where.
I agree there are people who are clinging to the system to get a pay check (mostly as a form of workman's comp), some might even say I am one of them because I’m not in agonizing pain anymore. But for the most part, people, like me, are not willing to give up the medical care until they feel like they are back to normal, whether out of principle or out of fear that they will return to their MOS before they are physically capable to do their job well.
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