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After a whirlwind week for the Israeli prime minister in America, using news headlines as your only guideline you would be forgiven for assuming direct talks between the Israelis and Palestinians were not only imminent, but planned; not only possible, but a forgone conclusion; not only productive, but also creative.

Which begs the questions: Are the parties willing to make the concessions necessary to advance talks, once they take place? Are direct talks the right route now? And, which parties exactly are taking part in the talks?

Observers are skeptical of all the optimism, to say the least.

"Israelis and Palestinians cannot bilaterally negotiate peace," said Daniel Levy, senior research fellow and co-director of the Middle East Task Force at the New America Foundation. "They tried for many years, often under more propitious circumstances and failed. The jury is in -- there is no Israeli-Palestinian directly negotiated peace deal to be had -- only an externally driven set of parameters, (U.S.-led) guidelines, or the United Nations Security Council. In fact, peace is partly the wrong framing -- the '67 occupation needs to be brought to an end -- whether it's an end-of-conflict peace deal or not. Better to focus discussions with Israel on what needs to happen for them to end the '67 occupation, than create a bizarre false symmetry between an occupying power and a stateless, occupied people whose national movement is split and the branch you are talking to faces major challenges to its credibility."

Aaron David Miller, now public policy fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, served as an adviser to both Republicans and Democrats in the region, most recently as senior adviser for Arab-Israeli negotiations. "There is a mythology about direct negotiations," he said. "They are critically important, but they are not determinative," he explained, noting that the Egypt-Israeli peace treaty was brokered by Jimmy Carter, disengagement by Henry Kissinger and the Madrid agreement by Jim Baker.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu"So the notion that somehow direct negotiation will get where we need to go is wrong. In fact they may, paradoxically, accelerate a crisis -- because (Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu and (Mahmoud) Abbas will be at same table, and the gaps that exist on core issues will appear sooner. It will either force a crisis in the negotiations or force the Obama administration to come to the rescue with its own plan, and, where they are right now, it is not possible."

Those core issues are the same ones that have stumped Israeli prime ministers and Palestinian leaders for the last 20 years: settlements and territory, refugees and Jerusalem, security and borders, water rights.

"Direct talks, as currently imagined, would be with the PLO [Palestinian Liberation Organization] -- which is Fatah," New America's Levy said. Fatah is led by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. "But [talks] exclude Hamas. That split should be a key concern for all parties, but has thus far been left out of the public conversation."

Hamas, of course, doesn't recognize Israel. As Netanyahu bluntly, if fairly, told Larry King this week: "I'll sit down with anyone who will recognize my existence. Somebody who calls for our destruction, my destruction, is unfortunately not a partner for peace."

And the United States still considers Hamas a terrorist organization, which leaves the government of Gaza officially away from the table, and out of the conversation, with American interlocutors as well. "The Israeli policy, and ours as well, is to engage Fatah," said William Zartman, a conflict resolution expert and professor emeritus at Johns Hopkins School for Advanced International Studies. "The theory is that we will do deals with them which will make them look good -- which will close out Hamas and bring in or reward Fatah."

But that essentially means dividing the problem of Israeli-Palestinian peace into its piecemeal parts, addressing the West Bank but not Gaza, and considering a Palestinian State that is not acknowledging the other Palestinian government.

Aaron David Miller calls it the Palestinian "Humpty-Dumpty problem. You have, essentially, two polities . . . I do not see any way of putting the Palestinian Humpty-Dumpty back together again." And as for the vision of talks without Gaza involved: he dubbed that Obama's "Field of Dreams" vision." The analogy here is that if Abbas and Netanyahu build a structure of peacemaking, it will feel so compelling that Palestinians will say to Hamas, 'It's this way or the highway' and will make Hamas oppose it by force, or sign up. That's the logic."

Miller doesn't fault Netanyahu for the line he used across Washington and New York this week, a militaristic note that Israel wanted a demilitarized Palestinian State. "I met with Netanyahu six weeks ago and he laid it out for me as he laid it out for Larry King. '[then Prime Minister, now Defense Minister Ehud] Barak withdrew from Lebanon and we got rockets, Sharon [withdrew] from Gaza and we got Hamas rockets. I'm not going to be number three.'"

And yet Benjamin Netanyahu talks like a man who has extended a hand and met only air at a party. As though the situation is simply that the Palestinians have left the Israelis, forlornly, at the negotiating table, rather than the reality: neither side, until now, has being particularly keen on meeting at all.

"What is there to prevent a meeting between the prime minister of Israel, in Jerusalem, and the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, who's 10 minutes away in Ramallah? That's when you have traffic. Without traffic, it's seven minutes," Netanyahu blithely told Larry King at the end of his week in the United States "I find it perplexing and unnecessary that .... Senator (George) Mitchell has to travel halfway across the world to relay messages between President Abbas and myself. There's no need for that. We should sit down. We have very serious issues to discuss. Our security, the question of where the borders will end up, the question of settlements, the question of Palestinian refugees, the question of water. All these things are crucially important. The only way that they're going to be resolved is if we actually sit down and negotiate a peace."

And President Obama sounds like a man ready to have his version of a famous photograph, a new Begin-Sadat handshake. A Rabin and Arafat moment in the Rose Garden. Abbas and Netanyhau, hands extended.

"We probably won't have a better opportunity than we have right now," he told Israel's Channel 2 news, promising that a peace agreement was possible before the 2012 U.S. elections.

Both men have lauded the idea of immediate direct talks. President Obama reached out this week to President Abbas, to mollify him for being kept mostly out of the loop. But not every Palestinian was jumping for joy at the idea of restarted direct negotiations. "The (Palestinian) position is not just an emotional reaction -- it's a well-thought-out position saying we've talked forever and they've built settlements forever," Dr. Hanan Asharwi, a PLO executive committee member, told James Zogby on his television show. "We negotiated in good faith and what they did was negate negotiations and destroy the two-state solution on the ground. So the question is one of urgency, and one of intervention to curb Israeli behavior. It's not a question of just talks."

Says Zartman of the Johns Hopkins School for Advanced International Studies: "The problem is neither side trusts each other. ... That was the Palestinian lesson after [the] Oslo [Peace Accords] -- the Israelis didn't go home and sell the document. Neither did Palestinians. Then [both] governments changed and Oslo was put in dustbin."

Netanyahu and Obama talked about confidence-building measures that will pave the way. Those, Aaron David Miller said, might include easing up on Palestinians' ability to move freely throughout the West Bank, a dismantling of checkpoints, and an extension of Palestinian security forces into areas previously patrolled only by the Israeli Defense Force. But as for Gaza, as long as Gilad Shalit, the Israel soldier kidnapped by Hamas four years ago, is in captivity, there's not much more we can expect to see regarding the blockade or current policy.

"We are just at the beginning of a very long and complicated road," said Miller, who wrote a long treatise on his own pessimism on the "religion of Middle East peace" in June's issue of Foreign Policy Magazine.

Pressed by both the looming September deadline signaling the end of the moratorium on settlement building, and the Arab League's promise to go to the United Nations by September, the Israelis and Palestinians may well find themselves sitting across from each other at a table by the end of the summer. But will those talks be productive or detrimental? Will they succeed where all else has failed? With the way things look now, no one should book the Rose Garden for a celebratory photo-op.

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punnster

It doesn't matter how many concessions Israel makes. Hezbola in Palestine will continue to attack Israel.

July 12 2010 at 2:07 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
rsticks18

it's the question i have asked for years--since no one group speaks for "palestinians"--who is israel supposed to make a peace deal with?

July 12 2010 at 12:09 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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avbysandy

Well, they could start by living up to what the rest of the world has been requesting for YEARS ... STOP stealing rightfully owned Land (settlements)

July 12 2010 at 9:03 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
atjbronst

Yes,you all beter beieve it..For over 66 years Israel is defendng their right to exist as the only democracy & the only US ally in the ME. And for all those decades, since the UN 's proclamatin of the establishment of the Jewish state in their ancient Homeland, Israel has been defending its right to exist from all the arab countries around ,including islamic refugees, who were fludding to gaza over decades, creating refugee camps and calling themselves palestinians...Israel endured six wars, countless intifadas and neverending terror acts aganst their sovereign land and their children...Remember the history of camp David ? While Israel was ready and signed the peace agreement, giving in to 95% of pali demends, Arafat stil didn't sign and left the negotiation table...So who is to blame for not having peace or recognition from the palis? Israel and the Jewish people are at home and they will not go anywhere anymore, thank you very much. We have IDF now. So please don't insult us with your resettlement ideas...We have been there, done that...Served as scape goats to every country we made home in...Just look what happenned in Europe...They innihilated 6 million Jews,only to replace them with the double number of radical muslims.....

July 11 2010 at 8:35 PM Report abuse +4 rate up rate down Reply
no1topsobama

The people of Israel wants peace with palestinians trouble is,for so long as they have the Netenyahus and the Sharrons - people that think palestinians should be treated as sub-humans -at the helm of their government, there will never be peace.
Helen, former White House correspondent, was forced into retirement cuz this woman, of Lebanese heritage, spoke the truth.

July 11 2010 at 6:11 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Hoser

If Israel was smart, they would buy up big tracts of land in the US and eventually move their country here. Buy Idaho for instance. They could probably fund it especially with US taxpayers $$ It would be cheaper and safer in the long run. Leave the Palestinians fratricide as they don't get along with any of their neighbors anyway. Once Jordan dumps its million or so Palestinians back on the land as well as every other arab nation, then you'll see the pot boil.

July 11 2010 at 4:04 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
odyl182

Israel should keep Israel and not take any more of the Palestinean land and then there can be peace. Why does Israel wnat to take over others property.

July 11 2010 at 1:22 PM Report abuse -8 rate up rate down Reply
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glers

When the Palestinians finally realize that Israel is not going away maybe they will finally move forward as a people

July 11 2010 at 9:01 AM Report abuse +7 rate up rate down Reply
rsticks18

there are NO SETTLEMENTS IN GAZA--why do so many of you think there are? isreal pulled out of gaza a couple of YEARS AGO------------and hamas thanked them with thousands of missles into israel-------------------

July 11 2010 at 8:38 AM Report abuse +11 rate up rate down Reply
Hoser

Why not abandon Israel and give them Montana. It would be cheaper for us and them in the short and long run then that endless pit of aid we taxpayers are funding up. We could cut peace money to Egypt, Jordan, and Israel as it would no longer be needed, saving us billions. Israel would be surrounded by friends (USA and Canada) instead of enemies and would save a lot of money on security. The Palestinians would take over what was left of Israel and make friends with their neighbors. Now whether they really get peace or not, they would have their own country and Jordan could unload its unwanted Palestinians too. If they needed funds, they could work with their Arab League.

July 10 2010 at 9:31 PM Report abuse -7 rate up rate down Reply
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Ed

Because the residents of Montana wouldn't be any happier giving their land to their land to a bunch of refugees from another continent than the residents of Palestine are and the the rest of America would realize how asinine it is to expect them to pick up the slack for those displaced Montanans(?) just like the rest of the Arab world realizes how asinine it is to expect them to take in the displaced residents of Palestine. I wonder how many of the folks who agree with the U.N.'s decision to take land of the Palestinians to make room for European refugees would feel if the U.N. decided that the Chechens need their land next year. No I don't, because I know that not a G. damned one of them would be willing to move to another state to make room for refugees from another continent.

July 11 2010 at 6:02 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
truthforfreedom

Netanyahu will do what is right and just for his country. The United States has always supported their efforts and should stay out of it directly. Netanyahu has said that he is willing sit down with the Palestinians, why not? Who would sit down with people who want his and Israels destruction? All this interferring by Obama who, incidently, could care less about the realities of what has happended between Isael and Palestine, means nothing. Do you really think Netanyahu is afraid of the UN? Please.

All this was, was an attempt at this administration to get a hand shake or a photo op in the rose garden? Really, this is serious stuff, not juvenile game playing.

July 10 2010 at 8:52 PM Report abuse +7 rate up rate down Reply
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THE VIKING

The comment by this indidvual shows the lack of understanding and knowledge of the true MIddle East situation.
It is just passed on propaganda that is getting our great country deeper and deeper into trouble with the rest of the world.
I suggest this individual read the two books by NOBEL PEACE WINNER Jimmy Carter.
After this person reads these books....maybe he will put aside his prejudical views and do what one of Israel's prime minster did.
Sign a peace agreement.
BY THIS WAY...THIS ISREALI PRIME MINNISTE, WHO WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, WAS KILLED BY SOME RELIGIOUS NUT IN THE ISRALI RIGHT WING PARTY.





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July 11 2010 at 6:45 PM Report abuse -3 rate up rate down Reply

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