Hot on HuffPost:

See More Stories

Gallup, Barna: A Tale of Two Polling Operations and Their Curious Midterm Numbers

1 year ago
  0 Comments Say Something  »
Text Size
Two polls were recently released. One indicates the Democrats are in deep trouble come November. The other not so much. Polls taken today are about as meaningful as preseason football games, but it's still a puzzlement.

Let's do a tale of the tape:

In this corner, weighing in with 1,540 registered voters queried Aug. 23-29 with a claimed 95 percent confidence level (plus or minus four percentage points): The venerable Gallup Poll.

In that corner, weighing in with 1,000 adults queried Aug. 16-22, with a claimed 95 percent confidence level (plus or minus 3.5 percent): The Barna Group.

Up close and personal:

George Gallup, George BarnaGallup is doubtless among the best known names in polling, with more than seven decades of experience. It was founded by George Gallup Jr. in 1935, who "resolved that he would undertake no polling that was paid for or sponsored in any way by special interest groups such as the Republican and Democratic parties," according to a company history.

Barna is exceptionally well known within a smaller circle, founded by George and Nancy Barna in 1984. The Barnas make no bones about their support of a particular definition of evangelical Christianity. Their agency seeks "to be a catalyst in moral, social, and spiritual transformation."

But the Barna methodology seems to be as bulletproof (or not) as Gallup. It offers the same kinds of claims about random, representative sampling. Same level of transparency about the questions they ask. When Barna goes all faith-talk and does a religious breakdown of its responders, it's totally specific about how it defines, say, "born-again" and "evangelical," which is not always true in such discussions. And Barna seems as happy to report interesting results that run counter to its theological mandate as it is to report findings its founders surely applaud. I take their data as seriously as I do that of any other pollster.

So riddle me this, as the old Batman villain used to say.

Gallup reports that:

"Republicans lead by 51% to 41% among registered voters in Gallup weekly tracking of 2010 congressional voting preferences. The 10-percentage-point lead is the GOP's largest so far this year and is its largest in Gallup's history of tracking the midterm generic ballot for Congress."

Barna, on the other hand, says that:
"If the election were held today, only a slim majority of voters would return the Democrats to a majority position in both the House and Senate. . . . Among registered voters, 45% wanted Democrats to rule the House while 40% desired a Republican takeover. Regarding the future of the Senate, the numbers were almost identical: 45% preferred a Democratic majority versus 41% opting for a Republican majority."

Let's grant that the two polls slice different bits out of the body politic for their biopsy. And they ask different questions.

Barna says it asked "which party the respondent wanted to dominate the House and the Senate." For the House, 15 percent did not choose either major party. For the Senate it was also 15 percent.

Gallup presented what it calls (but does not define) a "generic ballot" for Congress, presumably with an unnamed Republican facing an unnamed Democrat, and found that 9 percent of respondents did not choose either of the major parties.

Given the margins of error, both polls are pretty close on the Democrats. But Gallup sees a much larger bump for the GOP.

Digging below the overall results for Congress, we can find a few interesting details.

For Gallup: Many more GOP voters say they are enthusiastic (50 percent) than do their Democrat (25 percent) or independent (28 percent) counterparts.

For Barna: When asked if they were likely to vote for President Obama for reelection, respondents split evenly -- "45% said they would vote for him and 45% said they would not. Another 5% said it depended who was running against him and the remaining 5% did not know."

Can't get more even that that. And given the events of the summer, and the length of time until the next presidential election, I can't imagine there's a Democratic strategist in America who wouldn't be happy to take those numbers as gospel truth.

Barna being Barna, the poll sliced 'n' diced along religious lines:

"For instance, evangelicals are overwhelmingly conservative in their political views and fervently desire a Republican return to power in both chambers by about a 5-to-1 margin. Non-evangelical born again Christians, who are generally moderate with slight conservative tendencies, generally favor the Republicans taking over both houses. However, they are offset by notional Christians, a group that is moderate to slightly liberal, who prefer a Democratic majority in each chamber. Further compensation comes from the Democratic preference held by both the Skeptics (3-to-1 in favor of the Democrats) and Americans of non-Christian faiths (a 5-to-2 Democratic preference). Both the Skeptics and the adherents of non-Christian faiths are typically moderate or liberal in their perspectives."

And here's a not-particularly-meaningful but fun head-scratcher about support for Obama:
"If the election were held today, his support among evangelicals would actually have risen slightly, from 11% in 2008 to 16% now. Surprisingly, that makes evangelicals the only religious subgroup from which he has experienced increased support. (Of the various faith segments that Barna tracks, however, evangelicals remain the group that awards the president the lowest level of support, despite the minor uptick.)"

My bottom line: It's still the preseason. Campaigns really get into gear after Labor Day. Let's see what the numbers look like -- for any poll -- in a month or so.

Our New Approach to Comments

In an effort to encourage the same level of civil dialogue among Politics Daily’s readers that we expect of our writers – a “civilogue,” to use the term coined by PD’s Jeffrey Weiss – we are requiring commenters to use their AOL or AIM screen names to submit a comment, and we are reading all comments before publishing them. Personal attacks (on writers, other readers, Nancy Pelosi, George W. Bush, or anyone at all) and comments that are not productive additions to the conversation will not be published, period, to make room for a discussion among those with ideas to kick around. Please read our Help and Feedback section for more info.

Add a Comment

*0 / 3000 Character Maximum Comment Moderation Enabled. Your comment will appear after it is cleared by an editor.

5 Comments

Filter by:
ialbel

I have a new poll ...I call it ME. It says 100% of my vote is going to some people with the common sense to stop big government spending and meddling. I also polled as being in favor of ridding the country of career politicians who believe they are smarter than the voters. My candidates will not stomach left wing idealogues who want to make this country into some perverted similarity of Europe. If you have never heard of my poll before you will come the November 2010 and certainly November 2012.

September 01 2010 at 4:54 PM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply
Dorrall

I prefer the polls taken right here on AOL. There are usually thousands of voters(sometime100,000+), made up of people who are interested enough in whats going on to read the article and then vote. I want my polls to be taken by informed people at random. Sofar, the AOL polls look very accurate to me. Lets have more polls like this. Not polls that can target certain groups of people, but anyone smart enough to seek out knowledge.

September 01 2010 at 4:49 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply
carleronn

Rasmussen, the most acurate pollster over the last 10 years, agrees with Gallup (GOP UP BY 8) BTW, who ever heard of BARNA???

September 01 2010 at 2:34 PM Report abuse +7 rate up rate down Reply
balkind

the questions are different; Gallup presents a generic single candidate for each party, Barma asks about party dominance in each house. It seems to me that the Dems labelling of the GOP as a group as the 'party of no' may be having some impact there. With a generic single candidate the issue of which party should dominate is not included. Both polls are dealing with the party brand and not much more so they are limited.

September 01 2010 at 12:36 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to balkind's comment
catalogsplus

Dem's labeling the GOP as the "Party of NO" is having affect all right, in favor of the GOP. America wants NO more spending, NO more name calling of Americans by Congress when they disagree with them, NO more forced policies against public will, NO more presidential photo opping while America is 10% unemployed. America has clearly had it with the Dem Party of YES to everything.

September 01 2010 at 2:35 PM Report abuse +7 rate up rate down Reply
chardonnayone

Jeez, these leftist story tellers have to dig deeper and harder to find some out of the loop backers for their beliefs. Wow- Barna has his own small polling group--oooo so do I, "Libs have had a totally unobstructed chance to save us from the perils of george Bush, and just made things exponentially worse. Talk about the party of no, Dems are the party of "No can do", Time for a real change.

September 01 2010 at 9:55 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
len9677

Doesn't Barna know that President Obama ib not running in this election so why base your poll on this election on if you would vote for Obama again.

August 31 2010 at 11:25 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
momsagainstmom

Barna? Who has ever heard of this company? Please... We hear this from the left all the time. They bash Rasmussen all day long without any concrete facts, and cite Gallup's Obama Approval Ratings as evidence that there "Must" be something wrong with Rasmussen's polling. Now, all of a sudden, we are left to think that Gallup's numbers are not reliable? Well, which is it? I think the real facts are that the Democrats are in serious trouble, and those that support the Democratic party will never acknowledge that it is their policies that are hurting us.

August 31 2010 at 8:57 PM Report abuse +51 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to momsagainstmom's comment
ppasdp

Didn't read the story, did you? You certainly don't understand it. It explained who the Barma group is and their history and ideals.

September 01 2010 at 9:54 AM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply

Follow Politics Daily

  • Comics
robert-and-donna-trussell
CHAOS THEORY
Featuring political comics by Robert and Donna TrussellMore>>
  • Woman UP Video
politics daily videos
Weekly Videos
Woman Up, Politics Daily's Online Sunday ShowMore»
politics daily videos
TV Appearances
Showcasing appearances by Politics Daily staff and contributors.More>>