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As does American manufacturing, where we underperform from steel to cars to "green energy," which may be our best hope to battle global climate change that this year may have fueled the crises of 20 million flooded-out Pakistanis, Russia's near-apocalyptic fires and our Red Cross needing to respond to more than 30 U.S. weather-related catastrophes, like tornadoes.Compared with the majority of working Americans, Those in unions are in the upper middle class. Our government is catering to them for votes at our expense.
September 06 2010 at 5:53 PM Report abuse Permalink +7 rate up rate down Replythats because only those with union jobs are left in the middle class all those who think unions are bad have had their income slowly but surely deminished.and like a frog in a pot of water being heated they never figure it out
September 06 2010 at 8:40 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyThat narrative is attractive but it misses in some critical details. For example, Sputnik wasn't a "184 pound steel ball of science," but was made of an aluminum-magnesium-titanium alloy. That sounds like nitpicking, but it isn't--a steel satellite doesn't work. Ditto for the idea that high-paid union workers fund the middle class with their paychecks. Economically, that's not true, it isn't a universal gain for everyone--the higher union wages are paid by the rest of us, and come at our expense. Now it's fine and great when people contribute to a cause and reap a share in the bounty; the problem is when monopolies (unions) take more than they should. That drives the price of goods up for other people. And, it drives companies out of state, out of the country, and out of business. So, unions can do good things, but let's not forget the costs when they get greedy.
September 06 2010 at 5:29 PM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down ReplySimply put the Auto industry in the 50s 60s and 70s had no competition when unions bargained for higher wages and more benefits the Auto companies gave it to them and just raised the price to the consumer to cover the expense. Then in the late 70s gas prices skyrocked, foriegn cars were being imported that got great gas milege and had much higher quality. The auto industry did not make the concessions needed and lost a huge share of the market to foriegn cars. The Big Three have been struggling ever sense. Higher labor cost and contracts priced the Union worker out of the market in the auto industry. Because the industry could not escape union labor and its high cost eventually the industry is being eliminated. The foreign car companies that now manufacturer here are located in right to work state to escape the union. They pay really good wages and benefits.
September 07 2010 at 8:43 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyWhat no pro-union person ever really gets is that companies cannot give raises just because the union demands them. Companies can only give raises if they have more money. And they can only get more money if productivity is increased. In other words workers can only get raises if they increase their productivity. They can't get raises from strikes, or walking picket lines, or boycotts, or minimum wage legislation, or any other legislation by politician, or from presidential decrees, or even by storming headquarters and forcing management to agree to a pay raise. None of these put more mone in a company's till. If workers demand and get more money than the company has to give, then the company goes out of business, like GM. Or else it moves to another country, like so many companies we've seen. This all seems fairly elimentary. But I have never seen any evidence that any union leader or union supporter gets it.
September 06 2010 at 4:42 PM Report abuse Permalink +16 rate up rate down ReplyNo union has ever caused the demise of a company Poor management is the demise of any company. Union workers create the product [designed by management] [can only get a contract management agrees to]. The piss poor quality of the product[manasgements failure to control product quality][failure to control product liability is managements fault] [failure to control product cost again managements faault] Just what the heck was management doing all those years playing golf Gm amd Chrysler was going down the tubes
September 06 2010 at 8:49 PM Report abuse Permalink -4 rate up rate down ReplyThe American Unions for the most part can take credit for their part in lifting American Labors from the Sweat Shops of the past. The wages, working conditions, safety,and other basic human needs were not considered by the Owners of Large businesses and Corperations.They should be given credit for raising the working standards America Labor This is 2010 and the Unions are not what they were, they are part and parcel of the problems facing America, Big Government, Big Business, Big Unions. Yes, there is greed every where. This nations needs to get back to where it was when, Business, Unions worked together to make us stong and proud with less Government interefence and reglations. America, business and labor working together can make "Made in America" the standard that all the world again. Stop Big Government. If Management and Labor work together ther is nothing they can't do.
September 06 2010 at 1:44 PM Report abuse Permalink +12 rate up rate down ReplyI can tell you this no unions to set the wage and benefit standard companys would cut your wages and your benefits at their whim
September 06 2010 at 8:51 PM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down ReplyI was once in a union many years ago and dropped out after a few years. The union heads decided that some of the benefits our group of workers had could be traded for other 'things' they wanted from management. Eventually the work place became droll and unfriendly and I left shortly thereafter. I believe that unions were necessary in the early industrial days because of worker abuse, but I don't see their relevance today. If they are now so self sufficient, why is it that many of the large unions have retirement plans that may have to be bailed out by the american tax payer?
September 06 2010 at 12:55 PM Report abuse Permalink +14 rate up rate down ReplyAll the teachers union seeks is higher and higher wages for incompetent teachers and to heck with educating our children. Seldom do unions work for the good of our nation. They are ONLY concerned about their power and political influence. Their motto, ME FIRST AND ONLY ME or US FIRST AND ONLY US
September 06 2010 at 12:52 PM Report abuse Permalink +15 rate up rate down ReplySorry, you could not be more wrong...I'm a teacher and the salary is not sustainable, most teachers have to have two jobs to make ends meet...you are so wrong.
September 06 2010 at 10:56 PM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down ReplyI hate unions and I know why. I saw them ruin a once vibrant manufacturing economy in New England. Marching hand in hand with Democrat legislatures they drove out the very jobs that made New England a manufacturing powerhouse. Now they wnat to blame those that they savaged for the results of their own greed and shortsightedness. No more. We know who you are and we know what you did. Your days are numbered as surely as those of your bought and paid for flunky Obama. We saw what you did to California and we aren't having any of it. We are going to sit back and watch you fight it out with your retirees. You made the promises now you keep them without sticking your dirty hands in our pockets.
September 06 2010 at 12:26 PM Report abuse Permalink +18 rate up rate down Replycjjanis------ So you're saying you didn't pay ANY attention to the trouble that General Motors went through? Their fatcat unions got soo greedy over the last 30 years that it made the entire company unstable. That's what happens when corporations trust unions.
September 06 2010 at 3:33 PM Report abuse Permalink +13 rate up rate down ReplyI truly can believe that ms75c is labeling unions as communist. Without unions there would be no public schools. Maybe you should learn more about American history then Communism. Union maybe their own worst enemy, but without them the workforce and work place would be a total dictatorship. why shouldn't a employee have a voice in the workplace ? Americans have to wake up to reality. we have to start to regain our unity as a country. Unions are not bad for our country. Greed is. we have been taught at an early age, that as an American we have rights. Its we unite and help all our citizens learn how to use them.
September 06 2010 at 12:07 PM Report abuse Permalink -19 rate up rate down ReplyThe problem is that the Unions are as greedy as the corporation is! It's me, me, me for the Unions. It's shareholder value (short term) for the corporation. In a time of economic down-turn, the Unions want to hold on to salary and hours. How about sharing the hours, reduced hours and reduced pay so that lay-offs could be averted. What a novel concept.
September 06 2010 at 1:44 PM Report abuse Permalink +15 rate up rate down ReplyIsnt the chamber of commerce a union for bussiness ? They advocate for bussiness try and get everything possable to favor bussiness and fight hard to help bussiness become sucessfull Isnt that excatly what a union does
September 06 2010 at 7:45 PM Report abuse Permalink -6 rate up rate down ReplyThank you for the article. So true! I just read an article bemoaning the fact that more Americans of my age (baby boomers) are "forced" to work longer than they should because they lack the retirement funds to actually retire. Not me, I'm a member of a union that looked out for my needs way before I came along and when I joined, I started on a road to "future" prosperity. I have, thru union negotiated pensions, way more than the $10K that 36% of those that ought to have been able to retire but can't. And I mean, way more! Why? Because I belong to a union that "looked" into the future and saw a need! On this Labor Day, I'm relaxing, tinkering on my vehicles (because I want to) and working (in this bad economy) because I belong to a good, ah! great union....IBEW Local 357.
September 06 2010 at 11:22 AM Report abuse Permalink -25 rate up rate down ReplyProductivity in 2010 and the future is not about unions. Of course we are talking about the number of employed as well. Despite and communistic origins of the the unions, or the concept of unions, there was a time, prior to our employment laws that they protected employees (workers is a communist term) from explotation. That is not the case today, in fact it has been "not the case" for quite some time. Unions errode the employee work ethic, as most of us remember as the quality of our cars went down leading to the big surge of imports in the early 80's. The cost of goods goes up because the unions have insuinuated big "benefits" that drive up the cost of labor, thus artifically increase the cost of goods. When this happenes American made looses value and costs more than cheap imports. As unions and governemnt regulation drive the cost of labor up, companies also made of individuals, must seek more friendly ground, even if its overseas. In response to the unions shutting down employment opportunities by their own greed, instead of backing off, they, like our President, double down. Unions have contributed to the overall poor performance of our government run public school system. And, when that system is placed into competition or what some of us would call "market discipline", the unions and the politicians that are in their back pockets scream that the conservatives are stealing money from your kid's schools. Well, maybe they want money to go to the school instead of the NEA. Maybe the American people need to discover their own excellence again, an excellence that was in all areas of American life, unique, and diverse, without having to have "diversity" and with equal opportunity and individual liberty. Remember this labor day, we are not workers for the state, we are Americans, and we must take back our jobs from those who under the guise of "representation" are really practicing "confiscation".
September 06 2010 at 10:55 AM Report abuse Permalink +27 rate up rate down ReplyYou are so right!!! In the 40's thru the 60's unions did help make the workplace better for us but then they began outpricing themselves till they ruined the car companies, steel industries and factories etc. We need something to be made and sold brought back here, until we do this there will not be any job growth or recovery, only union jobs as Obama is all about that. Well guess what Obama? that is only a small percentage of people out of work. What about the 95% of smaller business mainstream American workers, we are the real taxpaying work force. I am 62 and female, I don't qualify for your infrastucture jobs. Yes, Obama I see your transparency you tout, it is all about UNIONs not the everyday taxpayer who needs a job.
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