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But Terry Jones is preaching a much different message than the pastor in "The Apostle," and at a different moment in time. And that is why Jones' mission to burn copies of the Koran to mark the 9/11 anniversary this Saturday has managed to dominate the news -- and global politics -- even in a wildfire media cycle already ablaze with suspicions (false) that President Obama is a Muslim and that jihadis are building a victory mosque at ground zero (also a myth).Other former church members in Florida and Germany also described Jones' style as abusive and cult-like.
"He wasn't a pastor who takes care of everyone," Diana Breuel, a church member in Cologne, told a German news agency. "He didn't project biblical values and Christianity, but put himself as a person in the center of things." (A Cologne court once fined Jones 3,000 euros ($3,800) in 2002 for falsely claiming the title of doctor.)
The Cologne congregation, which now has just 60 to 80 members, says it has no ties to Terry Jones and has denounced his plan to burn Korans, calling him "violent and fanatical."
"We are distancing ourselves from these actions and don't want to be connected to them," Stephan Baar, a church official, told dpa, the German Press Agency.
Jones' call to public action against Islam -- while not shared by most of his fellow Pentecostals and evangelicals -- is another aspect of his ministry that underscores the broader changes within conservative Christianity. A few decades ago, evangelicals and fundamentalist Christians in particular were cultural isolationists who wanted nothing to do with the wider society, which they felt was lost and would only taint them spiritually if they engaged it.
Now these conservative Christians are front and center in politics and in some of the sharper clashes of the culture wars. A few congregations, like the Dove Center and its allies in the Westboro Baptist cult of the Fred Phelps' clan, are considered fringe elements. But they follow in some of the same patterns as their mainstream brethren, only more so.
Lurid and excessive coverage of this story is as irresponsible as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I wish editors had the judgement and backbone to say "no" once in a while.
September 12 2010 at 5:34 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyWOW! I DID NOT know JED CLAMPETT was an ORDAINED MINISTER.
September 11 2010 at 2:16 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down Reply" jihadis are building a victory mosque at ground zero (also a myth).".........Just wondering how you know this to be a certainty. As for "Pastor" Jones, those few followers of his might condone his actions, but the rest of the Christian population does not, no more than we condone the burning of our American flag. This man is as whacko as those on the Far Left who believe flag burning is okay, and airing vile pictures of our President on the internet is acceptable. They are out there, on the Right and the Left, and they must be ignored when possible, and condemned when necessary.
September 10 2010 at 1:57 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyThe fact that one man, who is in charge of an almost non-existent church in the backwoods of Georgia can make front page news for burning a book just shows that we need to focus more on real news, instead of having the media stir up a bunch of nonsense for the sake of making a few bucks off of it. I do not agree with burning the book, simply because it will just add to the already high tension between two fueding religions. I also do not believe that putting this structure on the same structure that radicals of the same religion destroyed is a good idea. While I believe these people may have there heart in the right place, that is all that's there. When that structure goes up, it will become the biggest target in the US for all of these religious, and racist hate groups. In the end, I think all parties in this are very simple minded, and never took a chance to look at the big picture and see that what they are doing is just going to hurt people in the end.
September 10 2010 at 11:08 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyIf I speak in tongues of men and of angels but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal." 1 Corinthians 13:1 Matthew 7:12 (New King James Version) 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. If we "know" the Truth are we not supposed to become like Jesus who laid down His very life to show HIS LOVE? GOD IS LOVE 1Johnn4:8b Ephesians 2:8,9 we're reminded, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Pray about it. Who is Jesus? Jesus is Lord. What WOULD HE DO? Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. JESUS IS LORD!
September 10 2010 at 9:04 AM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyAre we sure we want Rev. Jones representing the American ideal? I mean he isn't exactly the epitome of sophistication and class. The rest of the world is watching. Is he the image of Americans we want people to use as the standard? I remember being told by my parents when I was growing up that my actions were a reflection on our family. I think the same applies in this instance.
September 10 2010 at 5:25 AM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyOh "Ye of Little Faith". I am sure that Pastor Jones is not a nut case. And that he was doing the right thing by obeying God when he was ordered from God to burn the Quoran. I mean it is funny to me and the rest of the world that suddenly he would (out-of-fear) allow himself to be mislead and act according to the will of satan. Satan has won this battle, it seems. And unless Pastor Jones has misread the scriptures as presented in the Bible, Satan has won! God lead Christ in an impossible life filled with sorrow and grief in order to be Holy and in the presence of God. Satan tempted Him and he resisted. And Christ was killed .. I think that Pastor Jones is afraid and is listening to the urgings of satan now. This is the most powerful demonstrations of lack of faith I have seen in my 63 years here on this earth . Stay on track Pastor Jones! No matter the consequences ! Because God does truly work in mysterious ways and that Gods ministry must be carried out in order to fulfill prophecy. What would have happened to Moses if he had not accepted the will of God as being the last word in his life. Think about it... If Moses had of believed satan he would not have ever been able to part the waters or receive the law from God. Many battles were won by army's that physically were small in numbers, simply because the blindly obeyed the will of God. Did God truly speak to Pastor Jones ?
September 10 2010 at 1:46 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyThis whole thing with the muslim mosque at Ground Zero, and the koran burning are going to split the country in half and start another civil war. Obama and Petraeus need to stop kissing up to the muslims, take a stand against this muslim cancer that is invading the U.S. and do what the American people want! After all, they work for US, the people, not the other way around!
September 10 2010 at 1:06 AM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyLets bow in praise of Allah. Killing Christians will not be condemened in the secular United States. We are free to behead infidels at will because the citizens of America has been conditioned to accept Islam but can mock and disparage Jesus and Christianity. America is ripe for the killing. America's desire to not offend anyone will be used against them. Praise Allah..Sharia law is coming
September 10 2010 at 12:22 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThis article states that the mosque at ground zero is not a victory mosque. The author obviously didn't learn history. Muslims have always built a mosque over conquered temples and churches. America is a secular country and the Twin Towers represents our financial might. This is why it MUST BE BUILT THERE. I said it therefore it must be true. Is that not what the author does in his opening statement. Cordoba was the 1st conquered city in Spain. The name had meaning for Muslims but since the name is changed to Park51 we are led to beleive the agenda has changed. Think a little about why the CORDOBA group is so adament about the location. WE are being forced into submissiom by the media .Where is the outcry as Christians are slaughtered all over the planet by Muslims? None coming is there.
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