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But above all, I think, is a perilous shrinking of common ground, the shared values and knowledge and beliefs that have shaped the way Americans think about war. Without it, how will soldiers and civilians ever see this war and its outcome in the same way? Are those faded "Support the Troops'' magnets enough to guide us through what is likely to be the murky and unsatisfactory conclusions and aftermaths of this era's conflicts?I thought David Wood did an excellent job of relating life in the Army and particularly as it pertains to the character and thoughts of those serving. Because my oldest son is presently serving in Afghanistan with the Army, I can attest to many of the positive comments of those interviewed and also of the families who give so much because their spouse is deployed for a year at a time. It is a sacrifice most will never know. My hope and prayer is that those who serve will recognize the millions who truly appreciate their service and that the words "thank you for your service" are not hollow or patronizing, but truly come from the heart.
November 04 2010 at 2:00 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyI believe much of what he has to say in this piece, but a side that he missed is the National Guard. The units I have deployed with all have deployed 3 times and many 4. They still have the same problems coming home and fitting back in to a “normal life” Isolating themselves from the life they left and each time they return home Family and Friends become more distant and soon many can only relate to others who have severed. In and out of turmoil soon, it becomes easier to see yourself with your team and rifle facing the enemy than facing a day to day job or Family issues. I would like to see the author to look in at the Guard units that have deployed that often as well. We are facing the same issues, but do not have the bases and posts full of other Soldiers who have been there and understand or deal with the same thing.
September 27 2010 at 6:14 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyI am currently in Afghanistan. The article describes a real seperation between the lives of civilians and Soldiers but it ignores the experiences of the thousands of Citizen-Soldiers in the National Guard and Reserves. These servicemembers do have experiences in both worlds and their service is the reason we do not have a draft. these Soldiers do not become farmers, businessmen and teachers because they already work these jobs. Often, they sacrifice advancement and a higher salary when they are called to serve away from families and career for a year or longer. How is it possible for these soldiers to leave civilian America behind.
September 24 2010 at 7:42 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyTypical civilian partisan, sitting at home waving the flag and feeling smug while doing nothing to further the war that you cheer at your rallies. Don't purport to speak for the troops. Americans with the character and courage to volunteer come from all political philosophies and all perspectives on faith, including atheists.
October 22 2010 at 11:37 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyThis article is so insightful and describes a phenomenon that I have been trying to describe to my Psychiatrists and Therapists as central to my PTSD for years. I feel that I am in this bubble that keeps me apart from civilians and that I only come out of that bubble when I come across people who have deployed to OEF or OIF. I have some sort of rapport with the other vets like Vietnam etc, but it's still not the same. They had their war and it was then, but I feel so apart from the world here now. And that's just after 2 deployments. I'm getting out of the Army after 9 active years, 16 years of total service on a medical retirement. I tried to make it to 20, and will miss it a lot. I expect to get a civilian job around the Army because I can't imagine operating normally around a civilian environment. This Article speaks the truth about our alienation. No amount of yellow ribbon bumper stickers and "thank you for your service" (I never know what to say to that because if they knew every single thing I've done, would they really thank me?) comments can make me feel like I belong anymore. Anyway, great article. Murph
September 22 2010 at 12:32 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyWell said. Thank you for this article. All at the same time, this article manages to explain many of the reasons I chose to get out of the army (after 5 years and 1 combat tour) and why, if I had stayed for a few more tours, I would not have been able to leave...
September 21 2010 at 11:53 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replythank you. you tell it as it is for me. im on deployement getting ready to come back from deployement 2. going back is hard. i know that ill be back here in a year and i cant wait
September 20 2010 at 4:18 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyFabulous article. With a son on the way to Afghanistan and two grandsons currently in basic, I think this article is a must read for every elected official in the country, especially those in D.C. who are wanting to pass a "dream bill" which would give citizenship to illegals who spend two years in the service. I cannot imagine how disfunctional a military unit would become with uncommitted non-English speaking, 'don't want to be there' illegals hanging around. I served in the Army in Germany 1955 when the justice system used the military instead of jails; "Two years in the Army or two years in jail." Fabulous motivation on how to serve. Some of those guys were outstanding. Most had other 'occupations' they were more interested in, and they would not/could not follow an order at all. Fortunately they were thrown out relatively quickly.
September 20 2010 at 10:05 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThank you for this dialogue and thank you for encouraging a civilogue. This country needs it badly. Thanks to all who serve this country Let us reason together and disagree without being disagreeable.
September 19 2010 at 11:44 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThere is a saying, "There are no atheist in foxholes." That is why The vast majority of our troops do not vote Democrat. That is also why Democrats have tried to block troops votes.
September 12 2010 at 5:05 AM Report abuse Permalink -3 rate up rate down ReplyAs an Army reservist who did 8 years in peace time(I was training for a secondary MOS when Desert Shield broke out) with lots of active duty and AIT time, I've got to agree. If you've never served, never felt that loyalty, you'll never understand. Inside it's a different world where it's accepted that there are things bigger than yourself and that's why you're all there. There's a lot more respect for each other; the civilian world is one of every man for himself. The idea of a draft is somewhat frightening, though; for my life to depend on the devotion, diligence and skills of someone who doesn't want to be there in the first place...I don't know. But when you come out only a vet can really understand that it's a different world in the service. There are many days I wished I'd stayed in.
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