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A meeting of the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board on Monday went somewhat off track when President Obama entered into public debate with two members over whether the Bush-era tax cuts should be extended to middle-class Americans and top earners alike.

The meeting was intended to unveil a new program,"Skills for America's Future," an industry-led initiative to improve partnerships with community colleges, and build a national network to improve job-training programs and job placement. In attendance were business executives, economists, labor leaders and Cabinet officials including Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, Austan Goolsbee.
While the initial comments centered around PERAB recommendations and initiatives, discussion eventually led to the broader economic forecast for the American workforce. Professor Martin Feldstein of Harvard University was the first to broach the topic of the Bush tax cuts. He outlined three recommendations to the federal government: expand assistance to those homeowners whose mortgages are "under water" (meaning the debt on their property is greater than its actual value), increase assistance to banks that loan to small business (part of the recently passed small business bill) and extend the Bush-era tax cuts for both the nation's middle class and top earners over the next two years, "to keep demand alive at a time when the economy is weak."

In recent weeks, the president has made clear his position on the tax cuts, set to expire at the end of this year: namely, the White House believes they should be extended for middle-class Americans, but allowed to expire for those individuals earning more than $200,000 per year (or families making more than $250,000 per year). The White House recently found itself at odds with one of its former economic gurus when former budget director Peter Orzag called for a two-year extension of the cuts in a New York Times op-ed.

William Donaldson, former chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission under President George W. Bush, weighed in at Monday's meeting, agreeing with Feldstein and saying that "uncertainty is depressing aggregate demand" and that the White House needed to provide a "spark to get us off this dead center."

But Obama rebuffed the idea, asserting that the country could not afford the estimated $700-billion cost of the cuts for upper-income Americans: "I don't know any economist who would argue that we are more likely to get a bump in aggregate demand from $700 billion of borrowed money going to people like those of us around this table," he said. He also warned that extending the cuts across the board might ultimately mean "extending them into perpetuity."

In response, Feldstein argued that the impact of extending the cuts for the wealthiest Americans was "one of attitude [and] confidence."

"There's this concern about the business community's attitude about the administration," said Feldstein. "And it's not just the business community -- it's high-income individuals, entrepreneurs and others. The increase in the tax on those individuals is a signal that they're going to have to pay higher taxes, and it may be even more going forward."

The president, for his part, rejected the notion of extending the cuts to instill confidence among the nation's wealthiest. That argument, Obama said, amounted to "the psychology of those of us who are wealthy and make a lot of decisions that determine whether investments are made or not -- that our psychology is sufficiently important; that even if we don't need a tax cut, [we should] give us a tax cut in order to induce us to play ball."

He noted that the top two percent of earners have benefited "disproportionately" in recent decades and had a larger share of income and wealth than "at any time since the 1920s." The president was careful not to dismiss Feldstein and Donaldson's position entirely, saying, it was "entirely respectable" and "intellectually consistent," but that it was "not really the position that is being promoted up on Capitol Hill."

Though the exchange was cordial, it is clear that the subject of the Bush tax cuts remains a contentious one. A handful Democrats in Congress, including Evan Bayh of Indiana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Kent Conrad of North Dakota -- recently broke with the White House over the subject and said they would oppose the president's plan to let the cuts expire for top earners. As a result, last week the congressional vote on the subject was postponed until after the November elections.

Perhaps understanding that the debate remains far from over, at the conclusion of the meeting, the president remained upbeat. "This was a fun conversation," he offered. "A little off-script. I enjoyed it."

In recent weeks, president has underscored his belief that reforming the nation's education system is key to long-term economic growth. This week's PERAB meeting is part of an extended push to highlight education initiatives, including the White House Summit on Community Colleges, which begins Tuesday.

Early in Monday's meeting meeting, Obama announced a goal of producing 5 million more community college graduates by 2020.

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Ali Grimes

Since they didn't vote on extending the Bush Tax Cuts, that means that MOST of us will have a hefty new tax increase in Jan., 2011. Wake up folks, and vote on Nov. 2.

October 09 2010 at 4:54 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
sfamilyent

We need to discuss the distinction be tax rates on ordinary income, and tax rates on qualified dividends and long term capital gains - along with the discussion on what tax cuts should be eliminated. I do not agree with President Obama wanting to eliminate the tax cuts on those "earning" above a certain income level; but, I do agree with eliminating the capital gains tax cut. In fact, I think dividends and non-real property long term capital gains should be taxed at the same amount as ordinary income. The introduction of income levels into the discussion does not address the disparity in taxation between those who work for a living and those who invest for a living - and the investors are getting tax relief when compared to workers. It is that tax disparity that benefits the wealthy. I think President Obama is correct in his position that investors are not holding back on their activities because of the uncertainty of taxes, though they may be holding back on the uncertainties of the markets.

October 05 2010 at 10:52 AM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply
lv8925

Plain and simple, he wants to redistribute the wealth, period. I'd like to know what they plan to do with the 700 billion dollars they expect to suck from the wealthy. You can bet it won't be to pay down the debt. Could it be that they already have a plan to spend it on some other foolish socialist program that we have not heard about yet? Yeah, that's the ticket.

October 05 2010 at 10:31 AM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply
higgdj7

Let Bush's tax cuts expire for everyone! Next year come up with a middle class tax cut and leave the rich out of it. See if the "Party of NO" fights that. Anyone wanna bet?

October 05 2010 at 9:53 AM Report abuse -5 rate up rate down Reply
kt3059

Reference article by John Merline "Monster Deficits". Even if the tax increase is put back on the wealthy the CBO shows the defecits we are looking at in 2018. Makes comparison if we had kept Bush spending policies in place the deficit would be 60% less than the course this administration taking. 2018 defecits Bush/188 billion...Obama/996 billion.

October 05 2010 at 9:06 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
mrscaptndavid

President Obama will not listen to his financial advisors should be the headline. He will not listen to economic advisors and stubbornly clings to what is truly his passion which is the redistribution of wealth. He seems to only care about his social programs. He made all kinds of campaign promises only to go into business for himself and stop listening to the very people who elected him. I just don't understand his policies as they only make it harder for us. His agencies are running amock with power they should not have making mandates that are job killers and raise the cost of living. In Florida, come November, the new rules on water will cost Florida families an additionsl $700. a year. The national marine fisheries have made fishing closures in federal waters that are forcing local fishermen right out of business and now our restaurants have to buy much of their fish from foreign markets. The moritorium on deep oil drilling combined with forcing oil companies to pump concrete into capped oil wells so they can not be reopened and used is ludicris. I've heard they may be shutting down an oil pipeline in Alaska. All this is going on while our country borrows four million so it can loan 2 million to Brazil and 2 million to Mexico to drill deep water oil wells! Mexico is drilling theirs in the Gulf of Mexico! Our money is pouring out of the US just as jobs are with these idiotic policies under this president, his agencies and congress. We need to send a message to Washington that they work for us and need to use policies that have worked in the past to bring economic growth. We need to limit the power of these government agencies so they do not make more harmful mandates against this country that hurt our economic recovery! Vote to send a message to Washington and bring a balance of power that will get them working for us again!

October 05 2010 at 9:01 AM Report abuse +4 rate up rate down Reply
Brian

The Bush Tax cuts failed! and led US into another hole! and put so many people out of work! just like the Reagan tax cuts failed and led to a nasty hole back in the 80's. Unlike Bush, Reagan admited his policies failed, and led to the highest unemployment rate since the depression. What everyone is failing to say about the rich getting tax breaks is, They already have many loopholes to keep more money for themselves if the own a business. So even the playing feild with a flat tax for all, and eliminate the IRS, and the refunds to everyone who qualifies, and the tax loopholes for the rich, and incorporated. While we're at it, make a law that bars all lawyers from public office, and only people who have served their country, and deserve to run the country, Can run it.

October 05 2010 at 8:49 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
monza866

Eventually tax payers will pull back investments to avoid taxes and the govt will see reduced tax revenues. The arrogance of this man to think that he deserves our money more than our families is a disgrace.

October 05 2010 at 8:48 AM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply
monza866

There is never a time this man worries about the cost of taxes on the people. Does he ever think that cutting govt programs could be the answer?

October 05 2010 at 8:44 AM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply
joper201

It's easy for Obama to say people like us don't need a tax cut. He has never risked his own money or worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week to build a company to make him rich. His wealth does not create any jobs for others as do small business owners. Obama has no concept of the sacrifice required to earn wealth through risking one's own hard earned money or hard labor.

October 05 2010 at 3:16 AM Report abuse +12 rate up rate down Reply

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