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"Are we complicit?" was the title of a provocative blog post on Tuesday at Mirror of Justice, a Catholic legal affairs site. Obviously the loss of any life is tragic. Is it any more so because it is youthful? I must confess I haven't followed the story close enough but is there any evidence that the encounter was videotaped simply to embarass the young man BECAUSE he was gay? I remember my days of college and it seems that people trying to take embarrassing photos was a wide-spread "sport." Thankfully, the disemination available over the internet was not a factor back then. Absent clear evidence that the youth was targeted BECAUSE he was gay and not simple that he was targeted AND he was gay, I would not focus on bullying or hate crime issues. Instead, I would focus on the lack of resources (or perceived lack of resources) that could have prevented the tragedy. Finally, to throw a little extra in the pot, (which was alluded to by one of the individuals quoted in the article) is the depression and other mental illness suffered by a gay person a result of the fact that homosexuality is disordered or by the fact that there is social opposition to being gay (at a time when acceptance of the gay lifestyle is probably higher than it has been in the entire western history.)
October 14 2010 at 2:02 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyMost Christians are the problem: Do as I say, NOT as I do... and little or no sympathy, and the desire to wipe out culture the second it might go against Christian belief. Any religion that touts it is the end all be all of religion and no one should believe anything else is a blight... encouraging its members to stir up trouble in the middle east and other places proselytizing, spewing hate about gays, and teaching hate about gays, when 'no homosexuality' isn't even in the top ten rules! There is limited mention of homosexual behavior in the bible and oodles of 'translations' that change the meaning. I thought Jesus mentioned something about 'sin' and 'casting stones' but most hate-mongering Christians seems to forget this little section of the bible... but its written by man, and edited by man, and run by man... if that doesn't prove just how corrupt it is (since man is corrupt and even the Christian faith believes this) why would you believe a set of values that seems to change denomination to denomination. You can't all be right... it's just a joke. I'd rather believe in multiple Gods with some Gods of Power and Might and Gods capable of sympathy, and a Mother Goddess than the tainted stuff coming out of the mouth of man: after all, if God is the great Judge, then let him do his job, and the rest of you just deal with your own families. If you don't have gays in it and you don't want it... then don't have it, but stop trying to claim your way of life is the only way there is... civilizations were formed all over the world with the desire to explain the world around them... and disease, and back then condoms didn't really exist, so it goes to figure that sex was dangerous and people noticed this. Now we have condems and stuff and love and sex doesn't have to be evil. So there. :P
October 14 2010 at 12:58 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI'm not sure what is meant by believers? There are all kinds of things that people have believed in for ages. So the question is are believers the problem? I say it depends on what their beliefs are. The massacre in Texas believed in something and they gave their life for what they believe. A soldier also believes in something to give a life for. Everyone believes in something but is it the right thing to believe in? I believe we are all accountable for our beliefs and I believe that God watches over us for each of our beliefs, and one day we will all be accountable.
October 14 2010 at 6:23 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyMy brother was gay and considered himself a Christian. His biggest problem dealing with his lifestyle was not the Christian community but his parents', family members' and close friends' opinions (and they certainly were not all Christians). I don't think he chose to be gay. He acted differently since he was very young, much earlier than anyone would be thinking about sex. I am a Christian. I loved my brother as much as anyone can love a brother. That wasn't my first choice for him. Seeing him with his partner made me a little uneasy at first. However, when I saw the love and devotion they had for one another, I grew to accept their relationship. In fact, my homophobic dad even came to accept it and to respect it. I think we spend too much time bashing each other in general. I think the people who Christian-bash are hating and stereotyping just like the the ones bashing the homosexuals.
October 13 2010 at 4:05 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyThank you, David Gibson, for an excellent article. I admire your writing tremendously, especially your biography of Pope Benedict, and your book, The Coming Catholic Church. I thought this article was compassionate. Myself, I hope and pray that the US Bishops stop targeting gays for special attention. I do not think Same Sex Marriage presents any demonstrable threat whatsoever to Heterosexual marriage. Persecuting gays who want to get married is persecuting people who value the idea of marriage, and this does not make good social sense. Also denying gays the right to marry penalizes gay families and gay families with children. I wish all Christians would stop persecuting these people. Thank you, Anne Rice, anneobrienrice@gmail.com.
October 08 2010 at 8:48 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyWhy does it have to be about Christians? Why can't the bullies be atheist homophobes who just think people with the same parts shouldn't be together? Plus, real Christians should not make anyone feel bullied. My Baptist church is a good example of this. We have missionaries who go to other countries to HELP them learn about God and his greatness- not FORCE. They try and if they can't get through to them, they move on and try to save the next one. God would not like his people to put someone down for what they do/are, He just wants them to know. We have a forgiving God and He accepts anyone if they give him a chance.
October 08 2010 at 7:02 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyIt would be so very wrong to hang all the blame on gay-hating Christians. We live in a upscale liberal community where very few adults or kids attend church. Yet jokes and jibes about gays (or kids deemed gay) abound in the schools. It's subtle and quiet but hurtful, maybe more hurtful, because somehow it's easier to discredit the stupid, stereotypical homophobe. The truth is, any belief outside the majority leaves you open for ridicule as far as kids are concerned.
October 08 2010 at 3:41 PM Report abuse Permalink +5 rate up rate down ReplyThank you Angela. I'm a Christian, I follow the bible, and I know in it that nowhere does it give permission to bully others. It does say God doesn't want people to be gay, but in no way does it continue to say "Therefore go out and make their lives miserable". I know plenty of people who are Anti-God and Anti-Gay, simply because they are so full of hatred for some reason they can never explain. Hate isn't the message of the Christian bible, Hate is a human thing that everyone independent of belief or background are prone to. There are plenty of Christians out there who would fight tooth and nail if we say anyone getting bullied regardless of their sexuality. The media loves Stereotypes though...
October 20 2010 at 11:52 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyLeviticus can be thanked for labeling homosexuality a sin and an abomination. He also instructed the faithful to stone to death any person that was not of his faith. The man, if he ever existed, was certifiably insane.
October 08 2010 at 3:20 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyBelievers "love the sinner" but "hate the sin"... We are not the problem...
October 08 2010 at 2:59 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyBelievers preach that innocent children are immoral degenerates who are rightfully condemned to eternal damnation for their heinous sins. If that kind of one-sided hatred isn't the problem, what is? This is no different from the Catholic Church's (acknowledged) culpability in the Holocaust after two centuries of anti-Semitism cloaked as theology. Words have consequences, ESPECIALLY when they are portrayed as "eternal truths" and are systematically drilled into the heads of the faithful.
October 08 2010 at 6:59 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply@lilly - No, true believers are just that: they believe, and they accept (to some degree) that sinners are in need of guidance. I'm not Christian, but even I understand that the loudest, most prejudiced members of the church are the ones who get all the attention.
October 14 2010 at 1:43 AM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyMost Christians I have met are fear mongering, haters who are anti-EVERYTHING that doesn't line up with their evergrowing and changing list of things people shouldn't do. Sadly, one need only listen to or meet them and you'll see the truth in that statement.
October 08 2010 at 2:32 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyYou just made a fear-mongering, hateful, anti-everything (Christian) statement, doing to Christians what you condemned in the same sentence. Also, you need to know that the Bible's oldest books have remain unchanged for approximately 5,000 years, so there is no "growing" or "changing list". The world changes, and people change, but God never changes. Furthermore, its God's (unchanged) list, not ours.
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