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The Catholic Church in Belgium has been battered by scandals and missteps over the past year, and now its new leader, the conservative Archbishop André-Joseph Léonard of Brussels, has sparked a fresh controversy with comments declaring that people afflicted with AIDS are receiving "a sort of immanent justice" for their sexual practices.

Léonard, who Pope Benedict XVI appointed this year to replace a much-loved liberal, Cardinal Godfried Danneels, compared the suffering of AIDS victims to human-caused degradation of the environment, for which people themselves then pay the price.

"Maybe human love also responds when she is treated badly, without the need of a transcendent source," Léonard said in a just-published book of interviews he gave to two Belgian journalists over the past few years. "Badly handling physical nature causes it to treat us badly in turn, and badly dealing with the deeper nature of human love will ultimately always lead to catastrophes on all levels."

The reaction against Léonard's comments has been swift and sharp.

Belgian parliamentarians have called the archbishop's statements "disgusting" and "stupid," and some are calling for the government to re-examine the favorable tax status of the Catholic Church, which receives hefty government subsidies.

Even conservative Christian Democratic party leaders expressed outrage. Léonard's words "strike me speechless. For Jesus there were no justified illnesses," said parliamentarian Mia De Schamphelaere, according to a National Catholic Reporter story.

Such official condemnation comes at a difficult time for the Belgian church, which is engaged in a tug-of-war with government investigators who have seized documents in a probe of clergy abuse of children going back decades.

Léonard's comments are also not winning him or the institutional church many points with Catholics themselves, who are increasingly indifferent to their religion, as is the case in many European countries.

The clergy scandals have shocked Belgians, with revelations of at least 475 victims over the decades, 13 of whom committed suicide. The reports brought down the country's longest-serving bishop, Roger Vangheluwe, and even tarnished the legacy of Cardinal Danneels, whose negotiations with an abuse victim were surreptitiously recorded and released, portraying him in a harsh light.

Danneel's successor, Archbishop Léonard, came under fire in September when he released a report detailing the abuse and condemning it, but at the same time he refused to apologize.

Léonard had already drawn fire for earlier comments on homosexuality, which he described in 2007 as "abnormal" behavior resulting from "an imperfectly developed stage of human sexuality which contradicts its inner logic. Homosexuals have encountered a blockage in their normal psychological development, rendering them abnormal."

Earlier this year, when asked again about the topic, Léonard said that "homosexuality is not the same as normal sex in the same way that anorexia is not a normal appetite."

Now his latest remarks, which he first made in 2006 and are now being translated for wider distribution, have again dismayed Catholics and some of his own clergy.

Father Johnny De Mot, pastor Our Lady of Good Help parish in Brussels, noted that his own brother had died of AIDS in 1996. "It hits me very personally when AIDS is presented as a punishment. I find this (Léonard's words) just terrible -- actually outrageous."

Since the furor erupted this week, church officials have tried to clarify the archbishop's remarks, noting that he explicitly rejected the idea of AIDS as punishment from God, but rather a self-inflicted punishment, or "immanent justice."

"AIDS flows logically from the facts: from a loose lifestyle. It is a bit like the person who smokes. That person has a greater chance of getting lung cancer," Léonard's spokesman, Jürgen Mettepenningen, told the Belgian newspaper De Stadaard.

"Let's be very clear," Mettepenningen continued, according to the NCR translation. "Léonard is here speaking about victims who got AIDS as the result of a promiscuous lifestyle. He is not speaking, for example, about babies who are born with the virus."

On the other hand, Mettepenningen noted that when he first read the proofs of the book he cautioned Léonard that the passage on homosexuality could cause problems, but the archbishop decided to let it stand. The same thing happened when his spokesman tried to warn him off his earlier statements.

"When the Archbishop spoke of homosexuality as a misunderstood form of sexuality I also sounded the alarm. I thought that this could be formulated in a better way," Mettepenningen said, according to Belgium's national news service. "But I don't have the job of thinking for him. I am only his spokesman."

Here is the passage that is causing the controversy, as translated by a Dutch Catholic blogger:
Q: What do you think about AIDS? Do you consider the disease as a 'punishment from God for the sexual revolution?

A: "Someone once asked John Paul II if AIDS was a punishment from God," Léonard says. "He then wisely answered that it is very difficult to know God's intentions. I myself don't reason in those terms at all. So I do not see this epidemic as a punishment, but at the most as a sort of immanent justice, sort of like how, in ecology, we are faced with the consequences of what we are doing to the environment. Maybe human love also responds when she is treated badly, without the need of a transcendent source. Maybe it is a sort of immanent justice, but as far as the concrete causes are concerned, doctors should some day be able to say how this disease came to be, how it was initially transmitted and then spread further...But considered more generally, I stick to something in the order of a sort of immanent justice. Badly handling physical nature causes it to treat us badly in turn and badly dealing with the deeper nature of human love will ultimately always lead to catastrophes on all levels."

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jsim6974

Since when has the Catholic Church been a beacon of Morality? I was brought up a Catholic, but had enough sense to stop taking the Church seriously when I was around 12.

October 24 2010 at 8:07 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
apercu001

If HIV/Aids is "justice for promiscuous sex" then why are so many innocent people suffering--ie Hemophiliacs, blood transfusion recipients, etc... How is that just?

October 23 2010 at 8:36 AM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
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newsrev9

You have misunderstood the Archbishop's message.

October 23 2010 at 9:33 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
KELLI2L

~ We've all heard that AIDs has been spread by gay men - - so, is this persons statement really that far off ? ~ I know that guy men could find this story offensive but the TRUTH is what we should be after here (the truth is sometimes very painful) - rather than the total consideration and political correctness of a gay groups hurt feelings. . .

October 22 2010 at 9:23 AM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
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str8crds

AIDS is spread predominantly through promiscuous, unsafe sex and IV drug use. It is not spread by "gay men" any more than syphyllis is spread by "straight men." You should check the integrity of your words if you want to claim to speak for "the truth." Sadly typical of the judgmental type who believe they speak for God.

November 28 2010 at 1:28 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
jfportis

I think there is nothing wrong his comments, in the context of a question dealing with Divine Punishment. He clearly states that science will eventually find the original cause of the disease. That it is spread often times as a natural consequence of unhealthy behavior is undeniable (that is why AIDS prevention models focus on "Safe Sex"). That it is also spread to people not engaged in unhealthy behavior does not change that fact. There are always innocent victims harmed by the unhealthy behavior of others, whether it be an innocent killed by a drunk driver; innocent children killed in a drive by shooting; or drug addicted babies born of drug addicted mothers.

October 21 2010 at 11:27 AM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
Wendy

Nothing in what I read appeared hateful at all. He said human love responds when she is treated badly. What a perfect example of how one person's actions can affect so many's lives, whether it be an innocent partner, an infant or whatever. Or how with our lack of love/compassion for others and their well-being, so many new cases are reported each day. I saw nothing about him blaming homosexuals in his answer. I think it's all about perception!

October 21 2010 at 10:36 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
JACKIE

So, one partner cheats on the other who remains faithful. The cheater gets HIV and infects his faithful partner. I believe the bishop needs to rethink his comments a bit. Incidentaly, the HIV virus doesn't care whether you're gay or straight.

October 20 2010 at 2:38 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Theresa

Unfortunately, when one commits a sin, even when they think it is a private, won't hurt anyone else sin, it does have an effect on the entire body of Christ. All members of humanity. It is heart breaking when the faithful spouse is infected. I've worked with AIDS victims, it really is unspeakable. No HIV does not care, gay or straight. However, the Bishop speaks correctly. He actually illustrates your point. Of course there are innocent victims, faithful spouses, babies, transfusion patients, medical personnel.

October 20 2010 at 10:34 PM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply
RUBEN

i AGREE WITH HIS COMMENTS 100%

October 20 2010 at 12:09 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
Ruth

This guy is a perfect example of why Christians are considered hateful. I'm ashamed he considers his beliefs the same as mine. Jesus called again and again for us to love one another. It is true that God's justice will come to us all but I'm thinking his pet peave is hateful behavior. Even in the old testament God's prophets railed against those who cheat widows and orphans and ground the faces of the poor in the dirt. He despises our hateful behavior and if the Bishop would put down his prayer bood and read the Bible he would know it.

October 20 2010 at 11:38 AM Report abuse -3 rate up rate down Reply
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Theresa

Ruth, I'm sure the Bishop knows Scripture better than you think he does! He reads it daily, both in saying Mass, and in saying his Office, which is all Scripture. He said nothing that was hateful. Our Lord always spoke of our need to follow Him, to keep the commandments. When He forgave, He always said, "go and sin no more." I'm sorry you are ashamed, however he said nothing that was un-Christian. Loving one another means loving enough to say something is a sin, not letting people do what they want.

October 20 2010 at 10:28 PM Report abuse +6 rate up rate down Reply
jonas

The Priest is absolutely right. Not that God is punishing promiscus sex, but the laws of nature are at play here, and God's word says "Be not decieved, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap," when we plant corn, we expect to reap much more then we plant, the same with sin....we tend to reap much more then we sow, sad but a true fact of life.

October 20 2010 at 11:29 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
FRANTZDAYE

If it were a punishment, wouldn't those pedaphilic Roman priests have come down with some horrific ailment much worse than'aids'. btw do those priests do each other or just little boys? Either way isn't that breaking their vow of chastity? and shouldn't that get them an immediate disqualification? and not a transfer.

October 20 2010 at 10:37 AM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply

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