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Rand Paul and Jack Conway's Very Ugly Night in Louisville

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Kentucky Senate candidates Rand Paul and Jack Conway may have taken debating to a whole new level in Louisville last night, and it was not a step up.
Conway, who is the state's Democratic attorney general, is running a new ad in which he questions the Tea Party favorite's alleged involvement, as a student at Baylor University, in a prank in which a woman anonymously quoted in GQ magazine says Paul tied her up and tried to get her to worship the "Aqua Buddha."
Right out of the gate last night, Paul pretended that this was an attack on him as a Christian: "Those who stoop to the level of attacking a man's religious beliefs to gain higher office, I believe that they should remember that it does not profit a man to gain the world if he loses his soul in the process," Paul lectured his opponent, quoting from Scripture.
Jack Conway, Rand Paul"Jack, you should be ashamed of yourself," said the self-described "pro-life Christian," who may or may not have turned the other cheek, but who did refuse to shake Conway's hand after the debate. "Have you no decency? Have you no shame?"
Apparently not. Not to be outdone, Conway also behaved as though the relevant question really did involve the Bowling Green eye doctor's spiritual life; instead of noting that men raised other than by wolves don't for any reason tie up women who aren't in on the plan, the Moses of Frankfort tried to cast the incident as evidence that Paul worships false gods: "Why did he freely join a group known for mocking, for making fun of people with faith?" Conway asked during the debate. "When is it ever a good idea to tie up a woman and ask her to kneel before a false idol, your god, which you call Aqua Buddha?"
As he has done before, Paul also got in on the trend Matt Lewis wrote about the other day, of (mostly all-female) Republican candidates questioning their opponents' manhood. He also called Conway a schooled liar and asked him, "How ridiculous are you?"
"You know how we tell you're lying?" Paul asked rhetorically. "It's when your lips are moving. You're accusing me of crimes. . . . You are going to stand over there and accuse me of a crime from 30 years ago from some anonymous source. How ridiculous are you? You embarrass this race. . . . Run a race like a man . . . instead of calling me names."
"Rand, here is the thing,'' Conway said later in the debate. "You don't have the guts to stand by your positions. You told me to be a man. . . . Have the guts to stay by your positions."
Positions, did somebody say?
There was some talk of that, and health care reform did come up; as in earlier matchups, Paul said the current law is unconstitutional and he asked why Conway wasn't suing the federal government over what he called "Obamacare."
"I'm not going to waste the resources of the Commonwealth of Kentucky on Tea Party politics," Conway answered.
The "Aqua Buddha" incident was first reported in August in a CQ profile of Paul that said he belonged to a secret group called the "NoZe Brotherhood," which reportedly considered the Bible "a hoax." The story said he and another member "paid a visit to a female student who was one of Paul's teammates on the Baylor swim team. According to this woman, who requested anonymity because of her current job as a clinical psychologist, "he and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot." After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek. "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalled. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha, I worship you.' At Baylor, there were people actively going around trying to save you and we had to go to chapel, so worshiping idols was a big no-no."
Paul has denied that any such thing ever occurred, and called the story "ridiculous." He is currently running just ahead of Conway in the polls.

Update: Paul said Monday that he hasn't yet decided whether to debate Conway once more, as scheduled. And he, too, has a new ad out, which asserts that Paul "keeps Christ in his heart." It asks, "What kind of man would bear false witness just to win an election?" before cutting to a black-and-white photo of Conway. "This one would,'' the ad says.

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most christians deserve to have their heads removed and placed on a stick...which is unfortunate...

November 02 2010 at 9:00 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Rand Paul acted like a 2-year-old with his temper-tantrum, and then it got ugly. Hope his face doesn't freeze that way.

October 20 2010 at 10:33 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply

I do live in Kentucky. At present, I'm not wanting to vote for either man. Dr. Paul is pro-life, which I'm always puzzled by, because so many pro-life Republicans trumpet about the sanctity of life when it is a fetus, but don't seem to give a fig about the children already born, so many of which in this country are on food stamps. They also don't have a problem with going over to other countries and blowing innocent brown children away by the hundreds of thousands. As for Mr. Conway, I contacted his campaign for a clarification of where he stood upon a certain issue which was not covered on his website, the 800-lb. elephant that no one seems to want to talk about-the fact that the folks calling for austerity in the national budget always target the entitlement programs and never discuss the huge amounts of money going to the MIC for two wars we simply can't afford any more, particularly when billions of the money we've given the Pentagon has simply vanished with no oversight, wasted on contractors and corruption. He hasn't gotten back to me yet. I also have no use for the Aqua Buddha ad-he could have used that money much more constructively and on something more to the point than a college prank. At this point, I'm going to see if there's a third party candidate on the ballot.

October 18 2010 at 7:55 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
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Let me see if I understand this correctly. Mr. Rand's whole platform is based on keeping government out of our lives EXCEPT for a woman's right to choose what to do with their own bodies. How can he possibly justify that position. Apparently, he only wants to keep the government out of the lives of big business and screw the rest of us. What a jerk!!

October 18 2010 at 11:27 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

If I was a Kentucky voter the choice would be easy for me. Do I vote for the guy that supports Obamacare of for the guy that was involved in a prank in college 30 years ago? Not a very difficult decision to make. Seems to me that if you have to go back to a candidate's college days to dig up dirt on him you lost the election already.

October 18 2010 at 7:13 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

Well, I'm not from Kentucky, but if I were I'd be looking for someone other than Paul or Conway to vote for. Rand Paul is far too extreme right for me; and Jack Conway obviously doesn't think he can win based on his position on the issues that matter to the people of Kentucky.

October 18 2010 at 7:08 PM Report abuse -3 rate up rate down Reply

According the the local talk shows today....Conway stepped all over himself...and what did he "mouth" as Paul was walking away...someone will be able to tell and I bet it isn't good....give it a day or 2.....there are expert lip readers on it......

October 18 2010 at 6:24 PM Report abuse +4 rate up rate down Reply

Rand Paul is self-righteous and cannot hold his own with Jack Conway who is the better man.

October 18 2010 at 6:08 PM Report abuse -6 rate up rate down Reply

@cclawnj What does that mean? That, "Bush was conservative about some things, quite liberal on others. He encouraged Congress to spend money like there was no tomorrow and ran up massive deficits" Being liberal about spending means that he spent money on liberal programs. What social programs did he create? What civil liberty policies did he extend? Oh you must mean Medicare part D where he increased the drugs that folks could get on medicare. Or were you talking about... Well there wasn't anything. Oh yeah there was the banking deregulation that he did but other than that there wasn't much in domestic polices that he did. I also find it interesting that no one said anything about Bush's spending til the new sheriff was being elected. Funny...

October 18 2010 at 4:20 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

Paul very successfully highlighted the slicksters who will do and say just about anything get elected. Amerrica is so very over the negative campaigning, and yet politicians just are not getting it. Maybe the results in November will help them to get it. I doubt it, but just maybe.

October 18 2010 at 3:45 PM Report abuse +6 rate up rate down Reply

Truwriter1:43 PM Oct 18, 2010(1) vote this comment up (2) vote this comment down On the other hand, shouldn't we remember that it still is OK to be a Christian. Is it really open season on Catholics and Christians in America?--------------Christiand NOT Catholics have been singled out .. The Pope over looking and hiding molesters has been of Focus.. The Christianls are well reperesented and praised on here ofter.. Christianity has NEVER been under attack from what I have read and i have read a huge amount on here

October 18 2010 at 1:54 PM Report abuse -5 rate up rate down Reply


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