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It all started, or rather bubbled to the surface, this summer when a prominent official on the board of the German central bank, Thilo Sarrazin, was forced to resign after he published a provocative new book about Muslim immigrants in Germany titled "Germany Is Digging Its Own Grave." (The country now has more than 4 million Muslims -- a little over 5 percent of the population.)Actually there are and were close ties between the Nazi Party and many Muslim groups. In fact there was an Muslim SS division The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was one of the thirty-eight divisions fielded as part of the Waffen-SS during World War II. Also the Ba'ath party had ties with the Nazi party including with one Karl Adolf Eichmann of the final solution to the Jewish question. Oh well I have been a soldier or a police officer all most all my life and nothing surprise. Some people swear the Holocaust never happened yet one of my friends was in a place call Dachau.
November 07 2010 at 7:24 AM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyThis article is most disturbing as I see the continuing power of fear in the world. As to the Holocaust, it was envisioned, implemented and supported not by demoniacs but by human beings who are capable of demonic actions. And that is still true today! We humans all have a shadow side; we humans all are capable of demonic actions. My point is simple: we must always be vigilant and be prepared to oppose demonic actions by others and especially demonic actions by our own selves.
November 07 2010 at 7:22 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWe acknowledge that countries around the world are entitled to perseve and protect their native culture. But when a western country, with western values tries to do exactly the same thing, then some yell racism, and bigotry. The fact is Islam like Nazism in many ways; it creates different categories of people based on their beliefs and sex, with varying rights. Male muslims of course get the best deal, with aethiest and gays to be killed. I see nothing wrong with Germany requiring immigrants to adopt German values, and culture.
November 06 2010 at 9:41 PM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down ReplyI am the son of Holocaust survivor and also someone who always tried to analyze the moral nuances of any discussion. Where is the middle ground in this conversation? How do we maintain the is tolerance for other cultures on one side and the appreciation for the most essential aspects of a society's best (and essential) attributes such as the western view of individual rights, freedoms etc? My friends that claim to have a healthy fear of (or disdain for) Islam/Sharia tell me that Sharia's objective is to establish a replacement system of laws in any land that that Islam gets a foothold in. There is obviously no corralary for that in Judaiism and even though Christianity does still proselitize, it operates outside the realms of government. ...and how does democracy work in societies where in fanatic reverie, immigrant populations multiply their numbers become a political vehicle that overthrows the very tents of freedom?
November 06 2010 at 5:51 PM Report abuse Permalink +5 rate up rate down ReplyI think by this point in time, just about everyone is fed up with Muslims. The real difference between now and the Holocaust is that Muslims are going to be hard pressed to find anyone who would be sympathetic to them. The Jews didn't go around trying to blow up "infidels". They were assimilated to local culture for the most part. Can't really say that about the influx of Muslims. They seem more like a passive-aggressive invasion than anything else.
November 06 2010 at 2:12 PM Report abuse Permalink +14 rate up rate down ReplyI always thought it was rather brave of Jews to move to Germany after the Holocaust. The company I worked for was owned by a German. We had two offices - one here in Atlanta and the "home" office in Cologne, Germany. Every time some of the Germans came over here, they specifically stated they did not want to talk about the Holocaust. I think that most of them are still sensitive to the issue. It will get better in years to come, when some of the people that were actually in Germany at the time die out. The sad thing is that even though we know the history of certain times, we are apt to repeat some of the same things that caused the problems. Human nature and all. But at least Saddam Hussein is gone. Just a few more to go.
November 06 2010 at 1:11 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyIt is not a question of whether Germany has forgotten the holocaust so much as it is a question of whether ALL Germans should continue to be held culpable for the sins of their fathers.
November 06 2010 at 8:51 AM Report abuse Permalink +14 rate up rate down Reply@lerwilhelm I think you are missing the point of the article. I don't believe that it says anywhere in the article that this type of anti-Islamic rhetoric is occurring more in Germany than anywhere else. It was simply intended to point out the current situation in Germany. @fh1939 First, no matter how badly you think Germany got screwed after World War I there is no justification for the Holocaust. I find the fact that you think what "is so sad" is the plight of Germany over the loss of 9 million lives in the Holocaust (Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Jehova Witnesses, Disabled People, and Political Killings among others) and the actions of people such as Dr. Josef Mengele. Second, your claim that Pearl Harbor was a setup to enter a war with Germany is egregious at best. After we were attacked by the Japanese we were forced into WWII. Given that Germany and Japan were strong allies and were both trying to conquer their respective parts of the world it only made sense to go to war with both of them. In a world war whose sides are dictated by allies and axis the only way to win the war was to defeat the enemy, the entire enemy. Had the US not fought against Germany then Great Britain may have been taken over by Germany and then the US would likely have been their next target. You need to consider the entire world-wide geopolitical situation between the Treaty of Versailles and Hitler's rise to power in order to understand the motivations for entering various parts of the war. On another note, I agree with the author that this type of speech has become more and more common place, and it is unfortunate. Being a Jew and having family members who are Holocaust survivors I feel obligated to strongly condemn this type of blatant racism and the recurrence of the pre-Holocaust/pre-World War II German mentality NO MATTER WHO IT TARGETS.
November 06 2010 at 6:36 AM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyGermany got SCREWED by the ALLIES (mainly France and England, USA had not been in favor) in the Versailles Treaty that ended WWI. They were forced to accept an unfair economically punative treaty by among other things, the British Navy blockading Germany's ports that restricted food coming into the nation, that led to malnutrition to their children, this is years after the 1918 Armistice that stopped WWI. The Versaille Treaty's economically punative measures, led to big Budget Deficits and then Inflation, that turned into Hyper-Inflation which WIPED OUT THE MIDDLE CLASS's SAVINGS AND RETIREMENTS. In this background, support for an extremist militant Socialst Party, the National Socialist Party (NAZI Party) grew. I bring this all up, because USA is going down the Same Path (but volunatarily) by our Irresponsible Government with its Huge Budget Deficits and Debasing Our Currency, which is also STEALING from savers and investors and the honest tax-paying citizens of USA. What Pres. Bush Jnr. started (big Deficits, and policies damaging USA's industrial base, and increasing the take of the Govt. Employees from society, while shrinking the Middle Class), Obama has accelerated and made much worse.
November 06 2010 at 5:54 AM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down ReplyI have to ask, if Germany was hungry and suffering economic deprivation, why not focus on asking the population to stop breeding, start cultivating the land, start looking at all the resources the people and their minds could work with to create a better society? Instead of breeding millions to fight and die in wars, taking over countries and killing off the population, why not clean up their own country first? America, are you listening?
November 22 2010 at 10:50 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyHave we forgotten? Yes, just as many have forgotten Pearl Harbor and 911 already. As for the Jews,check your history that since your beginning some one has tried to or attempted to wipe your race out. I fail to understand why its always the Hebrews that has this history and I would like some historical science to explain,,not a biblical reason....
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