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He said the welfare and effectiveness of those doing the fighting and dying since 9/11 have "guided every decision I have made in the Pentagon over the past four years. It will be no different on this issue,'' he said, vowing to "minimize any negative impact on the moral cohesion and effectiveness of combat units.''My own interviews of WWII combat personnel a three decades ago said they were/would have been uncomfortable serving with an openly gay person. As long as they didn't know they could have cared less with whom they served. Guys in combat form a bond with each other. They work together. They come out after enemy fire has ceased because of that cohesiveness. In most cases blacks will see whites as whites and whites will see blacks as blacks - BUT they also see matters of commonality. Apparently sexual preference issues are more difficult to accept. Go figure
December 02 2010 at 8:16 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyIt appears that the study does not include understanding of human sexuality in general nor and force this irresolute agenda down our throats. Presently a gay not admitting he is gay is lying and an invasion of personal privacy of the person he or she shares a barracks with. Just as a man fakes being a woman then shares a barrack with a female. On the other hand gays cannot have it both ways to interject identifying themselves as gay then to follow disregard to the category of selected sexuality and then have them cohabitate in the military and also honor exclusive marriage in the future. Eliminating adultery and the normal standards we govern. Disallow male/ female cohabitation in the barracks and in theater and then to permit gay with gay or bisexual to cohabitate. It's a predjudice and favortism and permissive demonstration of poor behavior and ethics. America does accept the notion of homosexuality however, it seems gays want special rules to conduct themselves and engage into sexuality outside the limits of standard rules of human sexuality and respect for gender sexuality, meanwhile they want us to forget about it when living in quarters and become just one of the guys. This plan is worse than the wrap up plan for Iraq, inclusion without a rational plan and funding which will be huge. They expect members preparing for an active deployment to also take the time to be tolerance brainwashed with non mission oriented agenda for force readiness. They want to be the exclusive exception to the rule of cohabitation, however taken serious at the same time as a valid lifestyle and potential exclusive marriage. They can't have both. The issue many Christians have is force cohabitaion and the Bilical story of Lot. The Southern Baptist Convention is not very happy this idea of forced cohabitation outside of marriage and there is an estimate that 28% will not re-enlist over the forced cohabitation issues among christian service members who may not even participate in cohabitation outside of marriage even in a male female cohabitation. Sexuality is sexuality and as a standard it's not mixed in the baracks. So if it is a sexual identity then treat it as such and respect the privacy of everyone including gays as such and remove again the irresolute agenda that is being implied. Including gays would be accompanied by a great expense in ensuring that the privacy and personal safety will be practiced according to sexuality preference. They cannot mix and want marriage and all the identification and customs of a sexual identity and acceptable human interaction.
December 02 2010 at 2:49 PM Report abuse Permalink +7 rate up rate down ReplyOMG! 1. What is the agenda? Serve the country in the military! If that's bad, we should disband the armed services. 2. Sentence four makes no sense whatsoever. 3. Sentence five isn't even a sentence. 4. "Gays want special rules"! A typical conservative/Republican tactic: "special rules", "special rights". Like what special rule? I think it's a rule permitting them to serve our country in the military as openly gay. As it stands now, heterosexuals have a special rule to serve as openly heterosexual, while gays are not accorded the same privilege of serving with their sexuality openly known. 5. Forced cohabitation! Get real! Cohabitation as it is usually known involves sleeping in the same bed with someone else. No one in the military, excluding soldiers cohabiting with their wives or husbands, may cohabit anyway. 6. "Great expense"? As far as I can see it costs nothing. This thought was obviously plucked out of thin air. I would say that the entirety of the comment was fermented in an environment of thin air.
December 02 2010 at 7:49 PM Report abuse Permalink -6 rate up rate down ReplyJoe Lieberman is pushing for the repeal of DADT. This is Joes' military record: "A spokesperson told The Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960 to 1967. Upon graduating from law school at age 25, Lieberman qualified for a family deferment because he was already married and had one child, Matt." Guess Joe should know what the effect will be on our military men and women. Do what is fair, and right, right Joe?
December 02 2010 at 1:17 PM Report abuse Permalink +7 rate up rate down ReplyIt is assinine to place additional stress on our military men and women, whether it is 100, or 100,000, who oppose repeal. Gates is protecting his own backside.
December 02 2010 at 1:06 PM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down ReplyThis is not an accurate story and is not an accurate in the details of the report: "Even among combat units with the greatest doubt about changing the law, 84 percent of the Marines and 89 percent of Army soldiers who said they had served with gays or lesbians said they did not oppose repeal" Incorrect. A majority of combat unit member were unhappy, that would be the trigger pullers folks, as well as almost half of this group pledged to leave the military/naval forces if DADT were repealed+other issues in the report make this a very misleading article. This is the usual cherry picking facts to reach an already determined idea.
December 02 2010 at 11:33 AM Report abuse Permalink +8 rate up rate down ReplyOf course are commander in chief,secretary of state are for having gays in are military. They never have served... And 70% of our countryman are not in favor of this your facts are wrong. Why dont these people allow those who have served and now are serving do the voting!!!! Us veterans are the ones who have to live with there decisions. ARE MILITARY IS WORKING FINE THE WAY IT IS. LEAVE IT ALONE!
December 01 2010 at 1:31 PM Report abuse Permalink +5 rate up rate down ReplyMembers of the US Armed Services, not veterans, are the ones who have to live with the decisions, though the lack of talented people will affect us all. The US military is not working fine. Many people with valuable skills are not allowed to serve their nation.
December 01 2010 at 1:59 PM Report abuse Permalink -4 rate up rate down Replyfirst off id like to say this is deff not true and id bet my life on it. and second, im surprised a man of gates reputation is supporting this
December 01 2010 at 1:30 PM Report abuse Permalink +6 rate up rate down ReplyI have 22 years in the army now. And as far as the report stating that military personal dont mind, they never asked me or anyone that I serve with... If being gay and serving in the military is ok,with no restrictions. Then it must be ok with my female comrades to ok coed showers and latrines. Your asking straight men and woman to share these facilities with gay individuals it is the same thing, so to give the rights to a very small minority,your willing to impede on the majority who really are not comfortable with. Why dont these panels how us soilders really feel. Instead of speaking for us. In fact lets have a vote with all military personal how they feel. I bet that they would not vote for gays serving in the military. Let us vote and leave these so called experts voting for me...
December 01 2010 at 1:23 PM Report abuse Permalink +7 rate up rate down ReplyIf you're really a soilder, maybe you need to stand up to the people running the panels instead of speaking for yourself on this discussion area, hiding who you really are. I bet there are more gays and lesbians serving right beside "all military personal" (personnel btw) than you or anyone else realizes. Maybe next time you or one of your military buds is in Iraq, with a bomb about ready to fall on you, that gay serving next to the intolerant "Majority" should leave you there instead of saving you! Wake up and realize you fight for EVERYONE in this country NOT just who YOU CHOOSE!!
December 01 2010 at 3:55 PM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down ReplyFirst of all, you don't get to vote on military policy. Policies are made by civilians. Second, I highly doubt the polls referenced in the article are made up and tend to think they reflect changing attitudes that are prevalent among the younger generation. Third, if you've served for 22 years, you've been showering with gays for a long time and you should know that. After all, the law does not ban gays from serving, it just requires them to lie about it so homophobes like you aren't made to feel uncomfortable.
December 01 2010 at 3:58 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyWith this final report and 'weighing' in, there are still those in the Senate who are threatening fillibuster, aking for new studies, flip flopping on positions they never dreamed they would HAVE to flip flop on...these stalwarts of status quo are now simply nothing more than power mongers who care NOTHING about public opinion or national security or even the theory of a democratic vote! They simply want to STOP ANYTHING this administration puts its stamp to and will oppose whatever it is regardless of the good...They should leave Congress if they are so disruptive and can no longer effectively lead with the corruption and false bravado with which they have learned to operate...
December 01 2010 at 12:53 PM Report abuse Permalink -4 rate up rate down Replyso true, thanks for this comment!!! They should leave Congress if they are so disruptive and can no longer effectively lead with the corruption and false bravado with which they have learned to operate...
December 01 2010 at 1:02 PM Report abuse Permalink -6 rate up rate down ReplyNot all journalists agree with you, Mr. Wood. Check out this link for more balanced jounalism. Open 'gays' in the service: All risks, no benefits Is fulfilling campaign promise worth compromising military effectiveness? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=234945
December 01 2010 at 12:50 PM Report abuse Permalink +8 rate up rate down ReplyYou just won't be satisfied until the pendulum swings in your favor...and right now it ISN'T...welcome to democracy! It serves us ALL!
December 01 2010 at 12:54 PM Report abuse Permalink -7 rate up rate down ReplyYou realy call that balanced? I bet you call what they have on fox "news" dont you?
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