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After months of fits and starts, the Senate will vote Saturday on two controversial measures for the last time in the 111th Congress -- the DREAM Act and a bill repealing "Don't ask, Don't tell," the ban against gays serving openly in the military.

The DREAM Act would give young illegal immigrants a path to citizenship if they complete two years of college or two years in the military. To qualify, they also must have come to the country before the age of 16 and have been in the United States longer than five years. It is a top priority for the Latino community this year since it became clear that comprehensive immigration reform would not be politically viable, even in a Congress controlled by Democrats.

The "Don't ask, Don't tell" bill is a new measure passed last week by the House after congressional leaders stripped repeal language out of a larger defense bill to smooth passage of both. The new, stand-alone bill stipulates that the policy will only be repealed after the president, the secretary of defense, and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff certify that changing the law will not hurt the armed services' readiness, morale or cohesion.

At a congressional hearing earlier this month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen testified they believed that lifting the ban would have a limited impact on the services and that they would far prefer congressional action, which would give the military years to implement the change, to a judicial decision, which would change the policy immediately.

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the lead Senate sponsor of the bill, believes he has the 60 votes needed to move the measure to final Senate action.

"We have refused to accept defeat. No matter what happened, we just kept going," Lieberman said Friday. "And if I may borrow from our experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan, we've had you might say our own legislative surge over the last week."

But Lieberman will need help from Republicans to get over the hurdle. So far Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has said he will vote against the bill, while Republican Sens. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska have all said they will vote with Lieberman to end a possible filibuster of the bill.

"I continue to believe that we are going to end up with more support on the Republican side than the four that we've talked about and that is very encouraging," he said.

Democratic leaders are less optimistic about the fate of the DREAM Act, which will also need 60 votes Saturday to move to final consideration by the Senate. Reid had planned a cloture vote for the measure last week, but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell accused Reid of wasting the Senate's time on "show votes."

Reid tabled the measure and will bring it up again Saturday, but nearly a dozen Democrats have not said how they'll vote on it.

In the debate last week, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), the bill's sponsor, described it as a compassionate solution for children of illegal immigrants who never made the choice on their own to come to the United States.

"These children have been raised in America, they grew up in this country," Durbin said. "They are the valedictorians in their classes, the presidents, the stars of their sports teams and the people who win the college bowls. And they are undocumented, and they have no country, and they have no place to go."

But Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee that oversees immigration policy, opposed the bill and called it unrestricted amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.

"Ending the lawlessness at our borders is the first thing that must be done and at some point after that we can wrestle with what to do about people who are here illegally," Sessions said. "Otherwise, we are surrendering to lawlessness."

Sessions also painted a different picture of the immigrant community than Durbin, warning that the DREAM Act would allow repeat criminal offenders and gang members to apply for the program and pointing out that the law would not be restricted to children, but only to people who were brought to the United States as children. He also warned that applicants could easily obtain fake college diplomas to qualify for citizenship.

But Durbin dismissed Sessions' predictions about phony diplomas and said the bill he drafted would disqualify felons and people convicted of voter fraud, marriage fraud or visa fraud.

Durbin first introduced the DREAM Act 10 years ago. As Reid campaigned for re-election in Nevada, he promised immigration activists that he would bring it to the floor for a vote this year.

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rckinglets

Te Dream Act is a dream for illegal immigrants and a nightmare for citizens looking for a job and applying for a scholarshil.

December 18 2010 at 1:17 PM Report abuse +10 rate up rate down Reply
Leo

If someone is given special treatment, as in the "Dearm Act" does, is that not discrimation to regular citizens who come in legally. That would seem unconstitutional to me. The DADT Act also discrimates, it is for a special group. That also is unconstitutional. Both should be voted down/repeal, done deal. Less government, more freedoms, vote Libertarian !

December 18 2010 at 11:52 AM Report abuse +18 rate up rate down Reply
carol lowery

We had amnesty under Reagon for 3 mil illegals, it didn't solve the problem, prob made it worse. I feel bad for some of them coming here for a better way of life but for Gods sake, do you know how many of our jobs have gone to Mexico, Sara Lee just sold their bread division to a huge Mexican baker, I will no longer buy Sara Lee. If they had done more to stop the illegals, I would be all for it but I have reservations. These are kids brought here before 16, if they graduated high school, kept out of trouble, went thru 4 yrs of college or served 4 yrs in our armed forces, ok BUT there should be an amendment to the Dream Act that will do a lot more to stop the insanity. The illegals put their flags above ours, are arrogant and think we are intolent?? I don't think so. We need to do more to stop the illegals, send those back that are in brown gangs and open up jobs for Americans. We need them on our farms and here in Fla, the lawn mowing companies but make them go thru customs and obtain work visa's and told, do not have any illegal children while here, we have enough of our own.

December 18 2010 at 11:50 AM Report abuse +12 rate up rate down Reply
rangedoc

I served with gays in the military 30 years ago and there was never a problem. I think the "Don't ask, don't tell" rule works just fine and should not be changed. I think ANY conduct which dishonors an American military uniform should be dealt with the same. If a homosexual or heterosexual behaves in a respectable manner and not "over the top" then they are entitled to thier personal beliefs and preferences.

December 18 2010 at 11:42 AM Report abuse +7 rate up rate down Reply
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mypathoflight

Did you serve with anybody who died on the battlefield? Who was notified? Did you think about the fact that a gay soldier cannot even list his or her partner as next of kin? How about talking about what you did over the weekend. How's the family? I'll bet at some point you mention your wife. You just told what your sexual orientation is. See? It has nothing to do with conduct or activity, it's all about being able to be honest about who you are. Don't Ask Don't Tell has destroyed THOUSANDS of lives and it must end.

December 18 2010 at 11:53 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
Leo

Both "Acts" are not needed. The US government only needs to follow the US Constitution. There are laws in the book on immigration. Just need to secure the borders by putting more man on the job and building the fense. These are funded acts and should be done. The DADT Act should be passed, we have the Discrimation Acts to uphold our rights. Then, when some one brokes the rules of the milltary, discharge them and when someone comes in illegal deport them. That settles it. Now lets go to what the government's role in our lives is, it is to protect our rights and freedoms, defend us from agression from within and outside our boeders and from fraud. You should provide education, food, housing, insurance (home, auto, healthcare, life and retiremnt) and the items you wish to buy from manufactors/providers. It is your responsibilty not the government's. Grow up, be a man (or woman) and vote Libertarin for less government and freedom.

December 18 2010 at 11:39 AM Report abuse +10 rate up rate down Reply
MAE

This is not a Dream act, its a nightmare. There are legal process to get a citizenship in this country, why are these politicians insisting on giving them an amnesty. If they believe that they deserve to be citizen, go and apply for it in a regular process, no one is preventing them from doing so. Only one party will benefit from the perpetual vote of these illegals if they become citizen.

December 18 2010 at 11:33 AM Report abuse +32 rate up rate down Reply
WolfMurman

By only stating that Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen are in favor of the repeal of DADT, it makes it sound like all the military Service Chiefs are in favor. That is NOT the case!!! The Commandant of the Marine Corps, Chief of Staff of the Army, and the Chief of Staff of the Air Force have testified before Congress to their serious concerns of disruptions if DADT is repealed at this time of combat operations in Afghanistan.

December 18 2010 at 11:32 AM Report abuse +15 rate up rate down Reply
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mypathoflight

There were "serious" concerns when blacks and whites were first allowed to serve side by side. That seemed to work out.. well with the exception of a few people that we call racists or bigots. Gays and lesbians are already serving. Everybody knows this. What they cannot do that their straight counterpart can do is be honest. A gay soldier cannot even list their partner as next of kin. If that equally brave gay soldier falls on the battlefield, their partner.. their SPOUSE cannot be notified by the military because of Don't Ask Don't Tell. The Marines will survive just fine when DADT is repealed.

December 18 2010 at 11:39 AM Report abuse -3 rate up rate down Reply
pemphantom

The so called dream act will become a nightmare if it is voted into law. First of all, it is projected conservatively that there are 2.5M illegals who would qualify for this christmas gift. once enacted each person would be entitled to bring virtually all of their family into USA, estimated to be another 6m. the cost of this incredibly stupid act would cost the usa taxpayer approximately $100K p.a. per person to educate, clothe, feed, provide healthcare, social security, unemployment, foodstamps and incarceration. We currently have about 12M illegals in this country, now we want to increase that to 20M? are you kidding me?

December 18 2010 at 11:30 AM Report abuse +29 rate up rate down Reply
dc walker

I worked the southern border from 1976 to 1986. The construction of twin plants brought a lot of Mexicans to northern Mexico, many had no education and kept going north. The congress took the easy way out and gave them amnesty opening the floodgates. This problem will not go away with the Dream Act. They don't educate past the age of 12 unless they pay for private education in MX or the US. That is the problem. It will continue. These children need to go back to their countries, get a Legitimate passport, go to a consulate and apply for residency, legally, get a legal social security number and pay taxes, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

December 18 2010 at 11:24 AM Report abuse +28 rate up rate down Reply
dugrach1

If an illegal immigrant is willing to fight and risk their life or limb to serve in the US military, they should not only be considered a citizen but a patriotic honorable american. Even if they are Gay!!! They are fighting to protect this nation so all you rich republican tea baggers can sit back and enjoy your tax breaks and watch Fox on your big screen TVs.

December 18 2010 at 11:23 AM Report abuse -27 rate up rate down Reply

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