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A young woman, Elizabeth "Lizzy" Seeberg, went to Saint Joseph's Regional Medical Center on Sept. 1, alleging that she'd been molested the night before by a Notre Dame football player. Notre Dame police were called, and Seeberg's statement was taken. The following day, she received a threatening text from a friend of the player. And eight days after that, on Sept. 10, she committed suicide. In that time, the young man she'd accused had played twice on national television without ever being questioned by police or university officials. He played the following day, too, against Michigan -- and will suit up in Friday's Sun Bowl.Why don't you print his name? If you guys had any stones whatsoever, you'd print his name and take on the lawsuits with full journalistic vigor. God knows your editor in chief all but did that in her first article.
I wonder if the Seebergs are alright with writers like yourselves opening up their daughter's life to be dragged through the mud, because that's what you are doing. It's only a matter of time before some pro-ND writer starts to dig into her mental history and find out why she left her first college and why she was on effexor, etc..
There's no story. One of the parties is dead, the other made his statement. There were no witnesses. There's no physical evidence. Nobody except Dvorak has seen the investigative report and thus are not qualified to make any determinant statement on the legitimacy of the facts contained therein. Notre Dame legally cannot respond because the Seeberg girl did not attend ND but rather St. Marys and ND is barred by federal law from making statements. You guys are trying to manufacture a story out of nothing. Good luck trying to earn a Pulitzer on the back of a dead girl. Maybe you can hold hands with David Haugh and your editor in chief on your way down.
Bonus, Bonus questions for politics daily: When are you going to print the actual accusations? Only in the comments have you admitted the 'perpetrator' was accused of touching the victim's face and maybe touching her breasts - but you haven't been able to verify that last part. So ultimately this story is about FACE TOUCHING.
I can answer your last question - the reason no-one else is picking this up is b/c no-one sees the point in sensationalizing this story, thereby making it more tragic than it already is.
For reference,here is what Melinda says in the comments (but not in the story): "She herself said there was never any rape, unwanted touching in that he held her face while they kissed. It has been suggested that a breast might have been touched but those are not yet known as facts."
Med8898, this isn't about face touching. It's about the football player, who had a history of violence by the way, intimidating her, trapping her in a room and refusing to let her leave, telling her to pee in his sink (while he watched) when she said she needed the bathroom in the hope of escaping, and then grabbing her breasts as she cried and shook. Trying to make this sound like nothing because no penetration occured is truly sick. Read Lizzy's report.
February 05 2011 at 3:48 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyGREED in American College Football will always win out. Justice does not matter in South Bend, or any other major college football town unless they're forced into it. So lock up your Daughters if going to a major football powerhouse.
December 31 2010 at 4:49 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyYeah, because girls are getting raped left and right at major football schools.
This is why comment sections on websites should require licenses to use. The utter lack of logic is just astounding.
No one will ever know all the facts of the sad dituation of the Seeberg matter because she is dead. That aside, why were those two young women in that Dorm room in the first place, Seeberg never having laid eyes upon the footballer prior. What is also troubling is that Seeberg seems to have been documented to be taking medication that would suggest she had some sort of emotional problems, the details of which have yet to come to light and may suggest she was quite emotionaly fragile and prone to over react to situations. Querry, is being groped a normal reaction that would lead to suicide??? Was it even related??? Was this suicide actualy more related to the feeling of abandonment by her girlfriend???
December 31 2010 at 12:32 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyPerhaps if the police hadn't waited 15 days to question the football player, we'd have more information. Perhaps if the police had taken the threat of intimidation more seriously, and had actually questioned the texter in person and confiscated his phone, we'd have more information. Perhaps if the police had interviewed the corroborating witness sooner, we'd have more information. Perhaps if the police weren't so busy keeping tabs on underage drinking, we'd have more information. Perhaps if the police and the DA actually understood how cell phones work and had done the appropriate forensics in a timely fashion, we'd have more information.
This is a story about an investigation that was so seriously flawed, one can only speculate as to whether it was a matter of gross incompetence or a major coverup.
Does the death of a young woman really matter to the Catholic church with all the petifiles still preaching Mass?Ted Kennedy was absolved of all his sins for murder also so what's the big deal.Talk to the K-Y jelly king in Rome.
December 31 2010 at 7:03 AM Report abuse Permalink -4 rate up rate down ReplyI have read all of Ms. Henneberger's articles over and over, and not only do I NOT get the sense that she has written them "with a heavy heart" as you say she has, I think she has written them with relish. She is enjoying raking Notre Dame and everyone who loves Notre Dame through the mud. As we all know, though, you either love Notre Dame, or you hate Notre Dame, and a story like this with conspiracy theories and suggestions of a cover-up just whips the anti-Catholic, anti-Notre Dame crowd into a frenzy and allows them an opportunity to blog their hate for all to see. And why would you want the rest of the media to pile on? To validate Ms. Henneberger's (and now your) vendetta . . .
December 31 2010 at 12:29 AM Report abuse Permalink -3 rate up rate down ReplyKeeping in mind that, as you can clearly see from my screen name, I despise Notre Dame and Notre Dame football, here are my questions for Mr. Cannon:
1. Why is your collegue, Ms. Henneberger, assuming that everything Ms. Seeberg said is true, especially since we know there are discrepancies in the statements? Is "innocent until proven guilty" truly a lost concept in this country?
2. Is Ms. Seeberg's psychological history really, really not to be considered?
3. Is this story really, REALLY more important than that of the kid who was literally murdered in a storm, with no action being taken against Coach Kelly?
Check the definition of "murder" before you start accusing someone of it . . . that the poor young man died in an accident is horrible, but it was definitely NOT murder.
mur·der [mur-der] noun
1. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
The investigation into what did or did not happen looks just like the text message said.Even the police were afraid to do their job or do not have the skills to do their jobs.I really think an average person off the streets could have directed a better investigation then these so called professional lawmen.You may paint those helmets that bright gold each week but there seems to be marks on them you can't cover-up. You see how lies and dirty deeds have destroyed part of the Catholic Church attendance. Are you going to allow shottie police investigations destroy the sports programs too. I don't think anybody in the Notre Dame Police Department and the investigative services slaps a sign when they hit their beat that says somethings like play like champions.
December 30 2010 at 7:59 PM Report abuse Permalink +9 rate up rate down ReplyThis seems to be a pretty sad performance by Notre Dame. Whether the allegegations are true or not, Dvorak's defense of the student who texted Seeberg is inexcusable. Perhaps the ND police should recuse themselves fromt the case. It's incredible they didn't interview the suspect for 15 days. I hope the truth will come out.
December 30 2010 at 5:49 PM Report abuse Permalink +8 rate up rate down ReplyI wonder "What makes college football and it's players think they are untouchable when it comes to being held accountable for their actions? I find it so hard to believe that a well-known college such as Notre Dame has fumbled this investigation to the extent that it did. Why was something not done right away? There is no excuse for the way the investigation was mis-handled. The football player involved should not be on the field. Every college campus needs to put more emphasis on the safety of our children. All students, male or female, need to feel safe when away at school. My prayers go out to the family of Ms. Seeberg.
December 30 2010 at 5:20 PM Report abuse Permalink +8 rate up rate down ReplyFollow Politics Daily
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