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But the scope of the dispute between Catholic pro-choice pols -- principally Democrats -- and abortion-opposing bishops and their conservative Catholic allies has only grown exponentially since then, with the likes of John Kerry and Joe Biden coming in for especially harsh treatment. The problem is he is divorced, and divorced Catholics can not rec' the sacrament unless they have rec'd an annullment. Also, since he is co-habitating with his girlfriend, he is also barred from rec' the Sacrament of Holy Communion. The priest and the bishop should of stated this. As an American and a Roman Catholic priest living and working in Italy, one must remember to be a Catholic means following the teachings of the Church, not just doing what you think is right. So, he really doesn't take is faith seriously, end of debate.
January 28 2011 at 7:00 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyExcommunication is not a punishment, it is an acknowledgment of a person's choice not to be Catholic. Catholicism is not a group you are born into and remain part of regardless of personal choice. Catholics are people who choose to hold certain core teachings about God to be true and to live in accordance with the teachings of His Church.
When a Catholic knows what the Church teaches and nevertheless dissents from those teachings or lives in a way contrary to Catholic faith or morals, he/she is no longer Catholic. Such a person has excommunicated him/herself.
Therefore, it is important that when the clergy sees a person veering away from the Catholic faith that they privately contact the person and explain why his/her actions or beliefs are wrong. If at that point the person continues to deny Church teachings, they have excommunicated/cut themselves off from the God. Embracing abortion, homosexual marriage or living an adulterous lifestyle is to excommunicate oneself by denying concrete Church teachings about God's truth.
The situation becomes even more dire when former Catholics are public officials, who have been warned that they are not living a Catholic life but still claim a Catholic identity because then they are misleading the public by their example. To let the person know the serious jeopardy his/her soul is in and to keep the public from being misled and confused about Catholic teachings, it may be necessary to issue a formal letter of excommunication, which basically acknowledges the person's choice not to be Catholic.
However, the Church does this very rarely and with much sadness, when the person has left them no other choice. Even after a formal letter of excommunication, the Church continues to pray for this person, that he/she will come back, renounce all errors, embrace the Catholic faith and amend his/her lifestyle. An excommunicated person leaves by choice and can be welcomed back into the Church by choice. The doors are always open to their conversion and the Church would be overjoyed to guide them back home!
What many pundits don't seem to grasp is that the Catholic Church gets to set its own rules for what constitutes being a Catholic in good standing. Those who bleat most about "Separation!" are the first to whine when Catholic politcians are told that they are free to choose their behavior but some choices come with consequences.
January 25 2011 at 8:18 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyPeople, grow up. It's time and has been for a very long time that people need to keep their noses out of anyone else's religion. First off, there is not one religion out there that is perfect, regardless of what anyone wants to believe. Next, when people divorce its usually for a very good reason and has nothing to do with what they believe in. Example, if you're married to someone who beats you, you're suppose to stay in that marriage so that he is allowed to kill you so that you won't fear being excummincated from the church.... I don't think so!!! Get real and wake up each of you hypocrits for i'm sure non of you are living the all holy life style.
January 22 2011 at 2:17 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyKennedy is about as Catholic as I am the Pope. He takes the word hypocrisy to a level rarely seen- except amongst Democrats and Liberals.
He would have attracted less notoriety if he attended Mass AFTER he "fixed" NY's fiscal and political broken-ness.
But then, the Kennedy's always "did it my way".
This is why the church has trouble keeping members. The archaic terms drive everyone away. I am pro-choice because Ive seen to many teens have babies only to neglect them. Excummnication is harsh; it only makes people detest the religion all the more. To be boxed in and adhering to rules you can or have trouble following/ believing in or live by is hard enough because it goes against your moral compass. I should be able to talk to god without going through saints (He's the father, right? why shouldnt I go to to my father?) The rpoblem is changing outdated modes of thinking.
January 19 2011 at 3:51 PM Report abuse Permalink +2 rate up rate down ReplyWAKE UP! IT IS 2011 FOR CHRIST SAKE! The same of rhetoric goes on and on ad nauseum. Yes people get divorced. Yes women have abortions. The abortions issue should have never been politicized, it is a medical issue. What happened to doctor patient confidentiality. I personally would never have one and thank God that I have never been put in the position even to consider such. I would no more force some to have an abortion than to not.
January 19 2011 at 10:31 AM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down Replyunioniron--- with profane comments like this it is absolutely no wonder that union membership is held is such low esteem. As is membership. Seems that unions have more corrupt leadership and behavior than any other recognizable group. Except, perhaps, Congressional Democrats.
January 20 2011 at 10:16 AM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down ReplyThis is why I am so strained from the Catholic Church. Who are we, as humans, to judge whether or not he is a good man? Who are we in general to judge at all? So what if he supports gay marriage - he has said nothing about supporting gay marriage being forced upon the Catholic Church. Also, he's divorced. Is everyone who is divorced not titled to receive the sacrament? How do you know if he went to confession and was atoned for his sins (according to his beliefs)?
I personally feel that anyone who points the finger at who they believe is a good Catholic or a bad Catholic is not a good person. How can you be when you are doing what God has told us all NEVER to do - basically leave the judging to Him.
I will say, however, that the pro-Choice thing is a little rough to be adamant about and then receive the Eucharist. That's a huge part of the foundation of what the Church stands for today and for him to receive with that being one of the hallmarks of his platform, it makes me a bit uneasy. But - I'd rather have this kind of controversy from our governor than have a governor who sleeps with escorts or one that does drugs and cheats on his wife.
I'm a Eucharistic Minister. In church when a person comes up to receive Communion, which is the Sacred Body of our Lord Jesus, I do not ask their marital status, or their politics or their veiws on abortion, I simply say "The Body of Christ"
Prior to receiving the whole Congregation says: "Lord I am not worthy to receive You, but only say the word and I shall be healed"
If after that they feel themselves to be worthy, they come up and receive Communion.
The comments attached to this story, have been the most well written,articulate, non abusive and civil discourse on a subject that I have ever had the pleasure to read. I am reading comments that show dissent without abusive language and written in an intelligent and informative manner.
THANK YOU to all the commentators for your civility!!
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