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In a crisis, we say, we can't be sure how we'd react -- whether we'd run or freeze, scream or, as in a nightmare, be unable to make a sound. But four bystanders in Arizona now know that they kept Saturday's shooting rampage at a shopping center from becoming an even more catastrophic event, according to law enforcement officials.

As it was, the attack killed six people, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, and wounded 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who authorities say was the target of the attack.

But if the gunman had been able to reload his semi-automatic pistol and keep firing, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Sunday, "there would have been a huge, greater catastrophe."

The gunman was thwarted in that effort by four unassuming people who were identified as Bill Badger, Patricia Maisch, Roger Salzgeber and Joseph Zamudio. Not one of them is willing to call himself a hero.

Maisch, who looks more storybook grandmother than crime fighter, told reporters that she had not run from the scene of the attack because she feared she would be shot. But when she saw the gunman trying to reload, she made a move to grab the magazine.

"The two men that secured him were the heroes," Maisch, 61, told CNN. "I just was an assistant in being able to get that magazine or clip."

It was the self-described "assistant," however, who created just enough of a distraction to allow two others -- Badger and Salzgeber -- to tackle the shooter. Then Zamudio, who had been inside a nearby Walgreens when the shooting started, helped hold down the assailant.

Badger, 74, told WNEP television in Moosic, Pennsylvania: "I asked him when we were holding him down, 'Why in the world would you do something like this?' and he wouldn't answer. He was only 22-years-old. He looked like a young kid to me when I saw him and just why would he do something like this? There's no reason and the concern of mine was to shoot a 9-year-old girl and to shoot innocent people, something has to be wrong."

Badger, a retired Army colonel, said he had just done what anyone else would have done. "Once you're in the military, you never retire," he said. "You're always there to help the community and the people who are in danger."

Salzgeber was even more reticent, declining to talk to reporters who telephone him and saying the authorities had promised him his name would not be released, according to The Arizona Republic. "I'm totally stressed out about this," said Salzgeber, who was one of the top three signature collectors for Giffords petitions when she was qualifying to run for re-election in 2010. "I'm not interested in talking."

Zamudio said the gunman was already on the ground when he reached him. "I laid on him and held him down, and made sure the gun was down," Zamudio said.

The gunman, who authorities have identified as 22-year-old Jared Loughner, was armed with a 9-millimeter Glock semi-automatic, which FBI Director Robert Mueller said he had obtained last November. Mueller did not say where Loughner got the gun. CNN reported it was purchased at a store in Tucson.

Federal prosecutors filed charges against Loughner Sunday afternoon, including one count of attempting to assassinate a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to kill a federal employee. Mueller indicated that additional charges may be filed based on the continuing investigation.

The criminal complaint said that investigators found a letter from Giffords in a safe at Loughner's house thanking him for attending one of her "Congress on Your Corner" meetings in 2007. The complaint added: "Also recovered in the safe was an enveloped with handwriting on the envelope stating 'I planned ahead,' and 'My assassination' and the name 'Giffords' along with what appears to be Loughner's signature." (See a copy of the complaint here).

Dupnik, who has received wide attention for his remarks Saturday attacking the amount of "vitriol" in political rhetoric that he said may contribute to violence, repeated that view with obvious emotion on Sunday and also lashed out at laws that let "everybody" carry guns.

"I think that when the rhetoric about hatred, about mistrust of government, about paranoia about how government operates and to try to inflame the public on a daily basis, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, has impact on people especially who are unbalanced personalities to begin with."

Asked how he felt about Arizona's gun laws, Dupnik said of the state, "I think we're the Tombstone of the United States of America."

"I have never been a proponent of letting everybody in this state carry weapons under any circumstances that they want and that's almost where we are," he said. "The legislature at this time is proposing that students and teachers be allowed to have weapons in schools and in college. . . . That's the ridiculous state to where we have become."

Dupnik was referring to a bill proposed by state Sen. Karen Johnson that would allow people 21 and older who have a concealed weapons permit to carry a firearm at public colleges and universities, where they are generally not allowed. She said that if a student or teacher was armed, they could act if a gunman tried to open fire on campus as had happened at Northern Illinois University in 2008.

The 74-year-old Dupnik is a Democrat who, according to the Washington Post, "is known for his colorful and often bluntly partisan commentary." He has called Arizona's new law cracking down on illegal immigration "racist" and "stupid" and has refused to enforce it. He has also described Tea Party partisans as "bigots."

Dupnik's Saturday remarks drew a rebuke from Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, a Republican, who said on CBS' Face the Nation, "I didn't really think that that had any part in a law enforcement briefing last night. It was speculation. And I don't think we should rush to speculate. I thought that the report that we just saw from Tucson seems to have it about right. We really don't know what motivated this young person except to know he was very mentally unstable."

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Adam K Waggoner

Empowered Americans, (even the unarmed), tend to react towards instead of disassociating from drastic situations. However un-empowered Americans, (even the armed), tend to disassociate from instead of reacting towards drastic situations. When empowered or given self-worth, (i.e. encouraged), a person, (unless by personal choice), tends to feel more relevent, and in the process becomes more integrated in the social structure of any society. When un-empowered and given a lack of self-worth, (i.e. degraded), a person, (unless by personal choice), tends to feel less relevent, and in the process becomes more disassociated in the social structure of any society.

January 26 2011 at 8:29 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
Darby Family

This was a very sad incident. A shame, however, let's keep in mind that this person was likely a mentally ill person. If anyone has seen his youtube you would probably agree. So, with that said, how does this correspond in the slightest with our civil rights? There shouldn't even be a discussion about it. What if he had slayed them with a knife or a hammer? Would we ban those, or if he was a big guy, would we ban strength? A tool is a tool, but please, this has nothing to do with normal people. He should have gotten help from his community.

January 16 2011 at 12:42 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Shadow

I think people have the right to carry a weapon precisely because of these incidents of violence.
Criminals think twice before committing a crime when they know anybody around them might be armed just as well.
Places where weapons are prohibited thrive in criminal activity, such as California.

January 14 2011 at 12:10 AM Report abuse +4 rate up rate down Reply
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!! WeLcOmE !!

your right they will think twice and probably get a bigger, faster, more capacity gun. and be quicker to shoot to prevent somebody else from shooting them.

January 16 2011 at 1:47 PM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply
doc23cpoii

Praise be to The Lord, it shows how Americans act with out thinking of themselves, this has been shown by men and women since 1770. In Wars the women would take there husbands cannon station, in Iwo Jima and the other islands, men, former mechanics and shoe salesmen, farmers, took arms against unbelievable odds, most did not come back. These men are a shining example of the American person we all hope we would be. If they need a job or anything, they should have a priority as we vets do. Pray for all the families.

January 12 2011 at 6:39 PM Report abuse +8 rate up rate down Reply
Master

It seems odd to me that Ms. Baranauckas fails to mention the reason the real hero, Joseph Zamudio, came to aid and subdue the suspect is because Joseph was carrying his gun at the time and he knew he could help. When he saw the shooter wasn't able to fire immediately, Joseph attacked him without having to draw his weapon. Had a person outside also been armed, who knows if anybody would have had to die from this tragedy. Guns deter crime and protect citizens hundreds of times daily in the USA.

January 12 2011 at 7:26 AM Report abuse +6 rate up rate down Reply
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Paula

Guns do not deter crime...gun availablity makes it easier for people to commit heinous acts

January 12 2011 at 7:40 PM Report abuse -13 rate up rate down Reply
thatwilldo

By his own admission Mr. Joseph Zamudio almost 'shot the wrong guy' when he arrived on the scene with his gun and threatened one of the gentlemen who had already disarmed the actual gunman. The actual gunman was already disarmed by the people on the scene who did not have weapons. Mr Zamudio's actions were none the less heroic because he was armed, but it should be noted that additional tradgedy was narrowly averted because he was a responsible reasoned gun holder who properly judged the situation and amended his actions--if all gun owners were like him I would have no problem with guns, but they aren't.

January 12 2011 at 8:34 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply
djmbytheelm

kudos to the bystanders that stepped in and avoided a worse situation, it's tough to say what any of use would do in that situation but they stuck their necks out (literally) and made an impact! we need more people in this country to do the same, regardless of the consequences!

January 11 2011 at 9:24 PM Report abuse +16 rate up rate down Reply
aljo

I think anyone buying guns under 30 years of age should have a psychological evaluation....that seems to be the age group of most of these shooters.

January 11 2011 at 3:51 PM Report abuse -10 rate up rate down Reply
Zellaisme

Its a sad day, I read no mention of murder charges in this terrible act. What about the innocent victims like the 9 year old girl or the other citizens that lost their life? Its political because the target was a congress woman. I'm praying for everyone that God will comfort you. In my opinion I think we will see more of these terrible actions played out because our Congress is intoxicated with to much power. I hope not, but again today another woman lost her life in a accident or homicide? She was the wife of a White House Aid. Some people are sick of Congress members stripping away their right's, creating laws that control their lifesyle. Let's go back 20 years when life was good!

January 10 2011 at 8:32 PM Report abuse +13 rate up rate down Reply
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kingofswords72

zellaisme
The above article states that Federal prosecutors filed charges against the suspect on Sunday. Federal prosecutors only have jurisdiction over federal crimes. Therefore they only leveled charges on crimes committed against Federal employees. The State has jurisdiction over the other victims involved (the 9 year old girl and others) to which the State will also file seperate charges on those counts. And true, they didn't call it murder, they referred to it as killings. With respect to your first comment, it is a sad day. I'm afraid we'd have to go back a lot more than 20 years to say that life was actually good. Say 1800?

January 11 2011 at 6:14 PM Report abuse +6 rate up rate down Reply
carver4124

I am a native to Arizona and I think the sheriff was expressing something that many living in Arizona feel. Arizona has become an extremely divisive state.
Hispanic citizens and legal residents, military veterans or not, have been subjected to public expressions of discrimination and hateful comments since the famous immigration law was signed by Gov Brewer. The topics on talk radio have become everyday water cooler conversation. Many consider talk radio to be hate radio. This is scary because many areas within Arizona are hotbeds of militia groups that are preparing for the coming war. These groups are anti-everyone except those that hold similar views. People in Arizona law enforcement are aware the cauldron here is boiling. Its time people reassert themselves to work cooperatively with all parties to solve the problems that affect our state and nation.

January 10 2011 at 8:11 PM Report abuse +13 rate up rate down Reply
teecee656

I'm not sure our elected representatives hold the answer to gun control. On one hand, a disturbed 22 year old can buy a high capacity 9mm hand gun that is easy to conceal. A gun whose sole purpose is "anti-personel" for use in close quarters. On the other hand, the State Department declined to allow South Korea to sell 750,000 WWII vintage M1 Garand rifles to collectors in the US. My father was a WWII infantry company commander and always talked about how superior it was to the Lee-Enfield, the 98 Mauser and the Moisin Magant. George S Patton said that the Garand M1 was the most important piece of equipment in the war,,(at 10 lbs empty and about 12 lbs loaded and with a 24 inch barrel, they're virtually impossible to conceal). Whenever an untreated, undiagnosed, mentally ill person spirals into some psychotic reality known only to them... and they "go off".. especially using a gun on innocents, gun control always becomes part of the story.

Guns will always part of the USA. Hunters and sport or target shooters abound, as do collectors and war re-in-actors. Hell, when I went to college we had an intercollegiate shooting team. Most people come by their guns legally. Gangs and criminals will always find a source...thats why they're criminals. However, for the most part, they shoot each other, or brandish them in a robbery.

Shooting 20 or 30 people at a time... for no apparent reason is insane. Whether it's an Army psychiatrist in Texas, A Virginia Tech student or a 22 year old in Tucson, they all developed and lived in their own realities, isolated and filled with self thought. They all reached the breaking point and snapped....psychosis...shooting 20 or 30 somehow made sense.

I feel badly for what happened in Tucson. Innocents killed and maimed and a twisted and tortured 22 year old looking at the death penalty or life.. his life is over one way or another.

The vast majority of gun owners are responsible people that value their investments. This issue seems to me more of a failure of mental health screening. Of course it's hard to believe that an Army Major would have any trouble getting a Beretta side arm. No government can fix individual people and determine their current mental status. More and more real human interaction is replaced by social networking, perhaps a cause of more isolation and a little less reality, depending on how much it's used. Sometimes it's hard to make friends, be friends, and keep friends. It takes effort. But being a friend means you don't want to let another friend down.. and shooting 20 to 30 people might do that.

If anything positive can come out of this travesty, I hope it's in depth look at our detection, diagnosis, treatment and supervision of mental illness. I also hope everyone enjoys and appreciates their friendships, they can be cherished all life long!

January 10 2011 at 8:07 PM Report abuse +22 rate up rate down Reply
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dutchieo7

WOW!! THANK YOU! So well said & so true!!!

January 13 2011 at 12:11 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

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