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Click here to visit the new home of Politics Daily!For all the difficulties that followed, America is safer without a homicidal dictator pursuing WMD and supporting terror at the heart of the Middle East. The region is more hopeful with a young democracy setting an example for others to follow. and the Iraqi people are better off with a government that answers to them instead of torturing and murdering them.
Bush and Rumsfeld might calculate that the benefits of the war do surpass even these particular costs. But what's jarring is that the pair does not acknowledge this side of the ledger. I wonder why.Certainly the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis are not better off. Their families aren't better off. The tens of thousands of Iraqi men who languished in American and subsequently Iraqi gulags are not better off. The children who lost their fathers aren't better off. The millions of Iraqis who lost their homes, hundreds of thousands of refugees in the region, are not better off. So there's no mathematical calculation you can make to determine who's better off and who's not.
When the Muslim Brotherhood take control of the countries surrounding Israel and the major contries of Europe and Israel is under siege and we have thousands of insurgents crossing our borders will the "peacniks at any price" finally find a reason to defend the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Probably not,because the progressive elite will not even recognize the enemy until it's too late. The Chamberlain's are alive and well.
February 14 2011 at 5:02 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyMR. Corn: MIA on the true benefits of the Iraq war. These may be becoming evident in the blooming popular uprisings against despotic middle eastern rule in north Africa and most recently Egypt. It is too soon to know if self-rule movements there will succeed, but the example of free and fair popular elections in Iraq is arguably a significant encouragement to many in Tahrir square. I for one hope for freedom and self-determination in Egypt, and I hope that includes recognition of women's rights and their active participation in the process of government.
February 12 2011 at 9:54 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyMr. Corn, as others have pointed out, is either too young or too naive to understand the nature of war and the role the "innocent" bystanders -- the civilians -- play in warfare. It has only been in recent wars, beginning with Vietnam, that the "hearts and minds" concern for civilian casualties has gained traction.
Without repeating all of what has been written about World War II, it is important to note that civilians were not victims of collateral damage but targets of both sides in an effort to demoralize the population in the hope of hastening the end of hostilities. Millions of civilians died in that conflict -- many times more than the military casualties. Civilians were viewed alongside their leaders the "enemy," and their lives were considered to be no more or less important in the calculus of war than those of enemy soldiers.
In Iraq, great effort was made to avoid civilian casualties wherever possible. In fact, during the conventional war phase of the conflict, relatively few civilians died. Most of the Iraqi civilians who died during the ensuing civil war were killed by their fellow Iraqis or by al Qaeda, via roadside bombs, car explosives, suicide bombers and ordinary murder. And let's get one thing straight: the actual, i.e., non-political, civilian death toll as of January 2011 is about 45,000. In more than eight years of war, this averages about 5,500 deaths per year. It was estimated that Saddam killed, during his reign, a minimum of 25,000 civilians per year, not including the estimated 500,000 child deaths attributed to starvation and disease caused by Saddam's refusal to abide by U.N. sanctions, and his abuse of the Oil for Food program.
Is Iraq better off today? By orders of magnitude.
It's odd that in this article the author does not mention the estimated 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered by Saddam prior to the invasion, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi soldiers killed in wars initiated by Saddam. So the author is guilty of the exact same error of omission that he accuses Bush and Rumsfeld of. Talk about "a tremendous amount of blood to place on the scales." I'll bet the surviving relatives of those killed by Saddam rejoiced when Saddam was hung. Also, the author does not mention that a huge majority of Iraqis killed after the beginning of the war were killed by other Iraqis. Is the US responsible for centuries of Sunni vs. Shiite hatred? Another example of liberal bias.....
February 11 2011 at 9:19 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyI agree with the logical portions in mikeg1832's comment. The true analysis should include all data. Then Mike shows his own bias. If the article by Mr. Corn shows liberal bias, then by logical extension the books by Rumsfeld and Bush show conservative bias. We should be critical of both. Principles apply equally to all, in fact the true measure of a principled person is if they can apply those principles equally and recognize when they have to make a hard decision to alter their own opinions and actions. Let's look for the intelligent discussions and avoid always blaming the other side.
February 12 2011 at 11:29 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWar in Europe and Japan caused the loss of millions of civilians' lives, and hundreds of thousands in Britain through bombings, firestorms, and V-weapon attacks. With the exceptions of Pearl Harbor and the WTC, America's geography has largely protected civilians from attack. Mr. Corn seems to be surprised that wars are hazardous to civilians. Less writing and more reading might restore some semblance of historical context.
February 11 2011 at 10:13 AM Report abuse Permalink +5 rate up rate down ReplyYou seem to ignore the fact that we were the aggressors in this war, much as the French were in the Napoleonic Wars, Hitler was in World War II, etc. Yes, people died in those wars as a result of invasion by a hostile force. In Japan, the lives were taken in retaliation for an attack against our country on our soil. That does negate the horror of Hiroshima or Nagisaki, but it does give a reason. We were the hostile force in Iraq. They had not attacked us, nor did the have the capability to do so. There was no valid reason for our invasion. The United States was led into a war for profit by a lying administration. I think that makes all the Iraqi deaths quite relevant.
February 11 2011 at 10:31 AM Report abuse Permalink -6 rate up rate down ReplyI would concur. For the sake of those here who dismiss this and call us "aggressors," likening us to Hitler, as if Saddam's 12-year refusal to obey U.N. Security Council resolutions following his invasion of Kuwait - which the United States ended - were not the true precipitator of the war, let's use the Civil War as an example. The North invaded the South (for a good cause, but on some Constitutionally shaky grounds) to preserve the Union, and ultimately, to end slavery. Over 625,000 combatants were killed (more even than World War II), many rendered homeless and starving, and half the country's economy was destroyed, and in many ways has yet to fully recover, leaving many in abject poverty. Blacks who had nothing to do with the war were blamed and persecuted in the North. Union soldiers were for all intents and purposes placed in a concentration camp in Andersonville, forced to labor and waste away until they gave up the ghost. Slaves were set "free," then left on their own to face animosity, terror, and persecution for generations. Was the United States as whole, in the face of all this blood and devastation, better off because of the war? Absolutely, no question about it.
Of course Iraqi civilian deaths are relevant. To those of conscience, they should be horrific. But they must also be weighed against the tens of millions who suffered under the Ba'ath regime; the Kurds who were slaughtered for expressing their desire for autonomy both before and after the Gulf War; the Iraqi Army and the Iranian people, who saw as many as a million deaths, many children, in the unprovoked invasion of Iran, which ultimately accomplished nothing; the Shi'ites who were silenced by torturing and killing their families to keep them in line; the Kuwaitis who were robbed, raped, tortured, killed, or just vanished in the unprovoked 1990 invasion; the Iraqi people themselves, who saw Saddam take U.N. Oil-for-Food money and build palaces instead of feeding them; and all the others Saddam and his thugs harmed, and would have continued to harm, along the way.
Are the Iraqis better off, whether they can fully appreciate or realize it yet? Damned right they are.
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